Setting up my P650HS

Hi, I recently got a P650HS from HID and I've been setting it up.

I did a fresh install using Phoenix's guide and installed the drivers using Obsidian tool.

I have a few questions:

1) Do I need Geforce Experience?

2) How do I ensure that the ICC profile provided to me is actually installed/works?

3) Insyde Airplane mode Hid - what does this program do?

4) My boot time is approximately 10s which seems a bit excessive. I've got a good Samsung SSD. Any tweak to bring it down?

5) While booting up, I am greeted with a boot-screen wallpaper saying - Oo Style Note. I want to know if this is the default and how to change it?

6) Is Samsung Magician the preferred software to create further partitions? How much overprovisioning should I do? Does this apply to whole drive or to individual partitions?

7) How should I go about stress testing my system? Some general pointers would be really welcome.

8) Is there a way I can check the effects of GSync v non-Gsync?

9) Should I be able to access both Intel and Nvidia Control panels in the right click context menu at the same time?

9) I changed GPU switch to DISCRETE From MSHYBRID - after restart, I received the dialog "Aux Switch has stopped working" several time. Looking into the Control Center shows that graphics are still MSHYBRID. I restarted the system, check BIOS, it was set to discrete. Once booted, I once again received the message "Aux Switch has stopped working", and the Control Center still shows graphics as MSHYBRID, although I can only access the NVidia control panel now. Comments? Tweaks?
Edit: restarting in discrete mode almost always causes the screen to flicker when signing into windows. There was one case where I couldn't acess either Intel or Nvida Control panels in the right click context menu

Thanks

 

1. Depends. Some people like it (like me). Most don't. I use it to record gameplay, and the optimized settings it suggests for supported games are actually pretty good. For example, I can maintain more than 60 fps in Deus Ex: Mankind Divided at 1440p using the recommended GFE configuration, and the game still looks pretty good.
2. Follow this guide to install the profile if it hasn't been done already.
3. I don't think that's a program but a driver package that has something to do with the UEFI system.
4. 10 seconds is perfectly normal, not sure why you think that's long.
5. I think you can turn it off, but unless you want to do some low-level modification, you can't change it. If you flash a BIOS from XMG, it comes with their logo. Prema also has his own splash screen if you bought a system that will come with that BIOS.
6. Over-provisioning is done for the entire drive. How much depends on what drive you have. My SanDisk SSDs I set to 15%, while I only do 7% on my Samsung 850 Pro.
7. You can use AIDA64 to stress the CPU and RAM. Uniengine Heaven is good for the GPU.

8-10. G-Sync on the built-in display only works with the machine in discrete mode. If you want to change, you need to do this in the BIOS rather than in the Clevo software, and it's always best to completely remove your GPU drivers before adjusting this. Once you've done that, install the Intel drivers first, reboot, then install the NVIDIA drivers and reboot again. After that, you'll have access to both driver control panels.

 

Thanks for your detailed reply!

The new Samsung Magician doesn't have an option to overprovision, is there some other way I can do it?

Is there a way to turn off keyboard backlighting?

I have the 120 Hz TN panel - are warm whites normal for it?

I also see that the trackpad is a Synaptics one and I can see the relevant process in the background. But I cannot access the Synaptics control panel. Is that normal?

 

About point 3, that's the driver for Airplane, which allows you to selectively turn on or off WLAN/Bluetooth, so for example, I turn off Bluetooth aas I never use it and that helps save some more battery life

The new Samsung Magician is utter garbage, it provides nothing useful other than showing you what SSD you have which you already know, no more over provisioning options. you can overprovision by simply shrinking the volume in Computer Management > Disk Management Tab. I recommend you shrink it by 15-20%

I think you can turn off the keyboard lighting by setting the colors to BLACK in Flexi Key

The Prema BIOS will be out soon so that logo will then be the EVOC logo, just ignore the Style Note Logo for now

To test your system, launch HWiNFO on the side (sensors only), then launch AIDA64 Extreme, go to tools, system stability test, then start it and let it run for at least 4 minutes

Your boot time of 10 seconds is perfectly fine, this is a computer not a phone

Let me know if you need more help

 

Thanks!

 

My battery is showing a wear of 4% already, I've had it connected to the mains since I got it. Is this normal?

Similarly, Samsung Magician shows my SSD has 3.8TB written to it. Is this part of HIDs stress testing?

 

yeah I've had my P870DM3 also with some battery wear when I first got it. Make sure to go to the BIOS and look for a setting in the ACPI options to enable Flexi Charger, then set the start charge to 80% and the stop charge to 90%. This will prevent the battery from overcharging beyond 90% and thus prolonging its life

As for the SSD, don't forget there is an OS that has to be installed on it, lots of stress testing which include installation of actual games which have a lot of data on them.

See this report: http://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead

SSDs can tolerate 700+ TB of writes before they die out, by that time, you would have already changed your laptop and SSDs my friend so don't worry too much about it.

 

I am getting the following scores:
Fire Strike: 13648
Sky Diver: 29410
Time Spy: 5287
Heaven 1080p Ultra Quality, Extreme tessellation, 8x AA: 2181

Are these good/acceptable scores? I saw that the 1070 boosted to 1911 MHz stable in Heaven.

I am more concerned about temps. I am using Entertainment with Custom Fan Profile (Fan Start at 60C, Stop at 50, and full fan speed of 80%). Before running heaven, these were my temps in HWMonitor:
Avg, Min, Max:
CPU package:54C, 51C, 66C
GPU: 52C, 40C, 52C
CPU VID is is 1.209V

Just after the benchmark, these are the temperatures:
CPU: 81C, 51C, 96C
GPU: 76C, 49C, 80C

Both CPU and GPU are factory pasted with ICD and ambient temperature is 24C.

Suggestions or comments?

 

GPU temps are ok but the CPU is high...... do you know how to undervolt your CPU?

 

I have a general idea that it involves using Intel XTU

 

yes, hang in there until tomorrow as it's late here in Dubai, it's 5:30AM

I'll PM you out tomorrow and do my Phoenix Magic on your laptop

Have TeamViewer installed on your computer in preparation for this

 

Getting really high temps ! (30 mins of BF4). I certainly didn't expect this using ICD.



Just after exiting the game:


And does anyone have any idea why I keep getting these "Aux Switch has stopped working" dialogs? I get one whenever I boot up in Discrete mode or when I launch a game.

Addendum:
I am having major usability issues.
1) Screen flickers whenever I boot into Windows. I always get the message AXU Switch has stopped working (both discrete and hybrid)
2) Sometimes, on the desktop, screen fturns blank for several seconds, and once its back on, I'm get signed out of Windows. Happens on both Discrete and Hybrid mode. Logging back into Windows I get displayed with the "AUX SWITCH HAS STOPPED WORKING" message
3) As above, launching games causes the Aux message to appear multiple times.
4) HIGH CPU usage:
a) In hybrid mode, one of Nvidia Package Launcher or Nvidia Install Application takes a good 20% CPU usage for around 20 or so seconds. After the process ends, I something am able see Nvidia Control Panel in right click context menu on desktop.
b) When switching back to Discrete mode, on windows log in, the right click menu does not have Nvidia Control Panel and the Nvidia Install Application process runs.
c) Connecting an external display using display port also cause flicker + Aux Switch message. Also, a "System" process with description "NT Kernal & System" takes nearly 17% CPU usage, causing fans to ramp up at idle. Using process explorer, I've been able to isolate this to a thread with start address "ACPI.sys+0x23270".
I feel as if all of this is linked with switching graphics. Any suggestions?

 

You might need to RMA that beast. Did @Phoenix work with you on it remotely?

 

Uninstall CCC for now until Clevo releases an update. This is one buggy CCC version. Don't use a newer CCC from another laptop though as they contain different fan tables. We need to wait for Clevo to fix this messy CCC

 

I'm worried about the whole buggy CCC and no Prema bios combo. @Phoenix, do you think that liquid ultra is enough to hold temperatures until Prema Bios is released?

 

Prema BIOS will not bring the temps down. It's the fact that you can undervolt with the Prema BIOS that the temps would go down

 

I get it. What I mean is, since CCC is buggy and Prema BIOS is not there yet I'm kinda out of options to undervolt right now. Is a good thermal paste enough to hold temperatures until Prema BIOS is released and undervolting becomes an option?

 

it can help offcourse. An urgent CCC update is definitely needed though. Clevo drivers team sucks! Period 0 quality control

 

It all comes down to people (devs, QA, etc). Clevo should have some recruiters monitoring this forum 24/7. We have some seriously talented people around here .

 

In a way, they do. They're called resellers.

 

Oh, the irony!

 

Does undervolting mean no overclock for the 7820hk?

 

Not necessarily.

 

But may result in a BSOD if you overdo one thing or the other

 

I just tried undervolting (previous undervolt was overridden) again, first at -120mV, then at -110mV. It passed the Intel XTU (5 min) and AIDA 64 stress (CPU, FPU, cache, memory for 2 min 30 ) tests.

But when stressing both the CPU & GPU using AIDA, after around a minute or so, the system would freeze, screen goes blank, and the system seems to go to sleep. Sometimes it resumes on the lock screen; logging in show that the test is resumed. At other times I have to do a hard restart.

I then tried this with Uniengine Heaven, and the same would occur after 3 or 4 screens.

Is this a symptom of an unsuccessful undervolt?

 

Looks like it... But it is weird that GPU workloads are getting affected. Is everything running fine without undervolting? Some CPUs responds better to undervolt than others, it is sort of a lottery. I've read about people that couldn't get a stable system with -40mV and others tunning it all the way down to -150mV with no issues.

Another factor is the software itself. I will probably wait for Prema Bios, too many horror stories about XTU and CCC.

 

Tried it with -50mV. Seems to be stable. Although not digging the AIDA64 temps:

 

Yeah, this is strange.

 

Have you tried repasting yet? I tried the following pastes already:

Tuniq TX-4
Noctua NT-H1
Grizzly Kryonaut <- best one in my case, so i sticked with it.

 

Not yet. I am still trying to find a sweet spot for undervolt using synthetics - I will look at real-world temperatures in the next few days (was away for a few days so couldn't work on further testing).

I'll do repaste as a last resort.

 

It seems as thought the issue was due to Turbo Boost Power Max and/or Processor Core IccMax. Setting the former to 100W and latter to 100A allowed me to undervolt to -120mV, and the crashes I experienced with AIDA 64 and Uniengine are gone. However, upon restart, the power value is reset to 45W, and instabilities begin again.

@Phoenix any thoughts on the Power Values not sticking in Intel XTU?

 

I see, thank you, guess I might just stick with the 7700HQ looking at the rest of the responses

 

I hope the Prema Bios comes out soon and fixes that...

 

Hey man, there is a new Clevo Control Center v5.0001.1.21. Download the latest Obsidian Tool to get it, I recommend you uninstall your current CCC first and reboot then install the latest one

Check if it fixes that Mux Error Switch message

 

@thedummy so did this new CCC fix that error message you've been getting?

 

No it did not.

I may not have mentioned this before, but I also face a strange issue which I can only define as the following:

The system goes to sleep when doing intensive tasks (including gaming) randomly - the event viewer logs it as a sleep. The screen flickers, keyboard backlight turns off. Pressing the power button takes me to my lock screen. After logging on, the programs are still running, but in case of games (Shadow of Mordor) resuming the game leads to a black screen (basically it's useless and has to be restarted).

Another thing: once I plug in USB drive and/or a hard drive, it runs fine for a bit. Once I try to reopen the drive after it has been idle for some time, it would disconnect and autoplay dialog appears again.

Also facing random reboots both at idle and load for no reason (I have ruled out thermal throttling for this even though it occurs) - logged as Event 41 in event viewer.

 

What is your CPU undervolt again? -100mV?

As for the USB issue, that happens after the drives have been idle for a while as they spin down. check this:

How to Stop Windows From Powering Off Your USB Devices

 

I removed the undervolt just to make sure that it wasn't causimg these issues

 

and the result?

 

sorry for the late reply - I found the issues to be still there (random restarts, sleep)

However, since the new CCC, I have been running on discrete mode and I haven't faced any issues yet including when gaming. However, CPU temps did go to 95+ so I recently did an UV of -80mV (without overclocking) and seems to be running fine as of yet. Temps still touch 92, but average is down.

I still get the Aux messages in hybrid mode - I will use it more the next week to see if its stable there as well.