Should I opt for the Clevo W110ER?

I ordered both the larger and smaller font stickers in case I didn't care for the larger ones. They didn't charge shipping for both if I ordered at same time so $17 for the two sets. From what I've seen it doesn't look cheap, I just hope it holds up over time. I don't know that I'd like glow in the dark stickers though, as long as it's clearly reflective off the LCD that's all I care about.

 

Well this is them at night under LCD screen light. (just a little bar less than half the brightness of the LCD "NOT LED LCD, still old neon lcd").

(They glow like 3x more than the picture, and couldn't definitely see the white original keys of the keyboard, they are just way too dark, unless I close up my eyes a lot. Those Stickers work, but to your eyes, they don't really look like if they had light in them).

But I still would have prefered a true Glow-in-dark blue color. (there's a site that sells a special blue paint that glows for 100Hours until it needs to be charged under any light, and lasts more than 15 years, but it costs more than 200$ for a KG, was cool to have that paint in those stickers ).

(wish someone would sell keyboard stickers with this paint).
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I won't deny it will do the job nicely. I just consider it and then take a look at my keyboard and my brain slaps me round the face claiming it is ugly as sin. Sadly I agree with my brain and gonna wait.

 

I think they will last for a very long time and one website said they estimate their glow in the dark stickers to have a lifetime of approximately 10 years, I can't see why fluorescent ones wouldn't last just as long.

You will see that each sticker is high quality with very strong adhesive that can be removed without mess and it has a protective cover over the keys too.

I am typing all of this in the dark on my P170HM and the screen brightness is set to the lowest :thumbsup:

Yea, mine look about the same as your ones. I don't feel the need for glow in the dark ones because even on one setting from the dimmest on my W110ER, all of the keys are perfectly visible.

 

@ Yiddo

I got two of these..for even lighting. USB Laptop Light by Office Depot

Now you have no excuse

Yea, I love my keys backlit as well; hopefully something will shake down in the future as did on my UL30vt. I have one sheet of the Glow stickers from an old thread 4 years ago so may break them out.

cheers

 

Dang man, too bright...



Backlight is nice but when you have no option, these stickers will do.

 

There is no such thing as too bright when you are trying to game in the dark and pushing 3 or 4 keys to get the right one

You know what I am talking about we have done it!

 

Well I can't say I like them that much...

I also have this:


You can also change the colors, and I usually use the ugly amber old orange color and with minimum brightness, because in gaming, this crap lights way too much and it distracts a lot!
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Love that M11x keyboard, shame they discontinued it and it was so expensive :/

I own a Logitech G510 and that's great in the dark. The backlight is quite dim as they go, but it's just right, very effective. I actually leave it on white most of the time.

Do you reckon a white sticker'd be more likely than blue?

 

Agreed I love my M11x especially as it comes with ULV which is much more powerful than it lets on and never goes above 50oC an R4 would be an easy buy in my eyes such a shame they stopped making them from the moment they released the R1 I was in love.

Really like my Logitech K800 keyboard straight white but the only good looking wireless backlit keyboard I could find. I hate wires. Best thing about it is the motion sensor which turns on the lighting when it senses you sit down and use it.

 

Never really liked wireless stuff, because I can't deal with having to charge up all the time. I wish I could have no wires and have unlimited battery life xD Sadly, not possible.

If I'd got the M11x last year all would be good, but to be honest it wasn't worth upgrading to the M11x and paying more for a much weaker processor and a slightly better GPU :/ If it had been the same price as my lappy then I could've just sold it and then got the M11x. The W110ER is the only option now. It's a good one, but just a shame about that keyboard lol.

Need to mention selling the laptop and see what ridiculous amount of criticism I get xD

 

Lasts a month without charging and then just a quick overnight charge, not kidding as soon as you move away the lights turn off. Comes with 4 high performance batteries.

I agree the W110ER is the way to go, just needs a backlit keyboard and mini DP haha I wont buy it until it is brought into this century.

 

I may be getting access to a 3D printer soon, albeit a basic one, I wonder if it'd be possible to print out the parts for a new keyboard and use the underlay of the old one and make a backlight lol. That'd be a cool experiment to do. The exact size and specification of the original parts would have to be followed though.

 

Just before I jump on the bandwagon for this, I was wondering how good the various M11X's stand up to this? I saw an M11X r3 for the same price as doing up one of these, and a friend of mine has offered his M11X R1 for £320.

If only I could just harvest the keyboard and backlighting from the R1!

 

Okay, the M11 R1 is way outdated and very weak. It relies on either a Pentium ULV or a Core 2 ULV, both being very, very slow.

The R2 and R3 use newer ULV Core i3, 5 and 7 processors clocked at 1.3, 1.5/6 and 1.7GHz respectively. The i Processors are much faster than the Pentium and Core 2 processors, but they're a far cry from the speed of the Clevo using ANY of the processors available, because they're all non-ULV with wattages around 35-45w as opposed to 15-20. If you just wanted to game, they'd be okay although with newer games you're likely to begin to see much bigger bottlenecks than before. The older M11x R1 used a GT335m, a very, very weak card that can barely run a lot of today's games decently even at the low native resolution of 1366x768. The newer M11x variant the R3 uses a GT540m, which is a decent card and can run a lot of newer games, like Crysis 2, but once you hit games like Battlefield 3 it really starts to struggle, similar to my 6630m in my Vostro. The 650m in the Clevo is FAR superior to any of those older cards, able to power pretty much any game at the native resolution of 1366x768 at high details. It can even run games at 1080p if you tone things down. It also has 2GB DDR3 memory at a high clock and actually performs fairly close to the lower clocked GDDR5 version of the card. It's the same card they use in the Retina Macbook Pro!

However, the Clevo has a much lower battery life using the quad core processor, around 3-4 hours from what I've heard compared to the 6-7 the M11x can achieve. The M11x also has superior connectivity, with a full blown card reader, display port, HDMI, USB and I think may even have e-sata. The Clevo only has HDMI, 3 USB (2 3.0 ports) and a few other bits. The M11x also has the awesome backlighting system. The screens are about the same, but the M11x has a glossy display and is also reported to bleed light a lot, which can be seen in YouTube videos.

Basically, on the hardware side of things, the Clevo destroys the M11x, is slightly thinner and is slightly cheaper than the newer variants of the new M11x were new. However, the M11x has much better battery life, the backlighting and superior connectivity.

Unfortunately you can't steal the keyboard from said M11x XD

By now, unless you aren't serious about gaming that much, I'd go for the Clevo. But if you need the battery life, the keyboard and want to game a bit, then buy the R3, but I wouldn't opt for the R2 or R1, they're really quite old by now

 

All what you say is pretty true. However I run all games including Battlefield 3 at 1080p on the 540M GT hence why I won't upgrade, do not underestimate the power of a mid range card the 650M GT still has the same bandwidth as the 540M GT on DDR3 Vram it just has new arch, more shaders and a higher fillrates which give it double the power. R1 is really the only good buy for battery life people get 10 hours out of it the R3 is the best for gaming.

Most who bought the M11x did so before the W110ER came out however I think I might have been arm twisted if that wasn't the case but then looking at it now I am not and I am happy I have my R3. Its awesome

 

I've seen the 540m struggling at 1366x768 running Battlefield 3 at any higher than low and haven't seen it running at 1080p at all. It's only 10-20% more powerful than my 6630m... The 6630m can run BF3 at 1080p, but on low and at dismal framerates of around 15-20fps.

 

to add to the above posts..

How would an MX11 stand up to the W110ER? They can’t; they would melt within 10 meters of the Clevo running full bore

Seriously, the i7-3610QM blows the doors off my SU7300 and my i5-2430 with higher a base speed. Using Intel Burn Test I found the i7 ran 3C cooler than my SB i5 and twice as fast!

When doing video encoding; the i7 will spoil you if you use Handbrake and such.

The price we pay is battery life and heat over the LV brothers. Make sure 3.5 - 4 hours between mains are in order. As the other users mentioned, heat is not an issue for most games and certainly not in low power modes using productivity software.

Nope, it’s not perfect but my UL30vt has been feeling lonely.

cheers

 

Exactly I run at at all low apart from Textures which I have at high at 1080p have you seen it in person? It looks no different the game itself is extremely pretty so I am not complaining that I can get 25-30 FPS from a chip the size of a biscuit built into my board

Even so if you want high end you need to go high these aren't made for that they are made for gaming on the move.

 

Okay that picture is awesome Yiddo xD

It makes me want that laptop, but I just wouldn't want to pay the price anymore now that so much more power can be gotten.
WHY U DISCONTINUE M11X DELL XD

EDIT: Ah, you play on all low. You see, I have a desktop where I see everything run on higher graphics settings, with high framerates. The game has to be 30+ for me and I'd prefer to run everything I play on higher details lol.

 

Feel free to buy a soldering iron and get busy with one I will happily follow that post.

 

Are you referring to the backlit keyboard idea? lol

 

I was going for the Graphics card actually but I am a one man army on this forum to be honest and I am here because I loved my Clevo to bits before getting rid of it but the lack of backlit keyboard was such an issue on P170HM so you might wanna ask the same question on the M11x forum to get some views but most will be positive because it is an acquired taste to go for the M11 and the hardware is not an issue because battery life is important to us and we run on 40watts compared to the W110ER running on double that. You need to decide if your going for home portability or on the move but for me the Alienware software really pushes my geek habit and there is so many fancy features I am in heaven along with the numbers just not adding up when it outperforms on games it really should struggle on. Temps are also a huge positive 50-55oC max on CPU 70oC max on GPU when stressed.

 

Yiddo, I'm over in Harrow & Wealdstone, any chance of getting a hands on with the M11x r3?

I mean to be honest I'm not a connoisseur; I just want something that I can play whatever game I want to pick up whilst on the go, something to use when commuting and whatnot. What's the battery life of the r3?

Sorry to turn it into a question and answer, because I'm still interested in whether I should get the W110ER as it'll be running things better by the sounds of. Stupid sexy M11x visuals!

 

It isn't just the visuals, it's the lighting system.

If it were cheaper, I'd probably go for the Gigabyte U2442n lol. It has a GT640m 2GB, 1600x900 screen and uses a dual core i5 at 2.5GHz. It's also super thin and sexy. But it is so overpriced for what it is.

 

Lighting is what I was referring to by visuals~
Still, at least the W110ER looks plain enough not to get nicked

 

Ah okay.

It doesn't seem to have a card reader either, which is a bit of a bummer. My Vostro has an Expresscard slot, 2 USB 2.0, 2 USB 3.0, SD Reader, E Sata, HDMI, and Ethernet.

This whole situation brings me back to the situation where I'd love it if I could build my own laptop xD Problem'd be, staying within a 2 inch range, low power usage, fitting a GPU in there and implementing the display/keyboard. Would also have to find a suitable case material. I'd love to embark on a project like it though.

 

I can't see me really being in a scenario where I demand an e sata; I can just cloud space from the server. The W110ER has a card reader for any mobile/tablet device swapping but no firewire, which is annoying; would have to usb it. I've still got a desktop at office and at home.

was surprised to see the M11x has no usb 3

 

Sure if you do not mind flying to Borussia I travel a lot not back for 3 weeks. One of the main reasons the M11 is a blessing when abroad.

I can only speak highly of the R3 because of my own experience if you specifically want power the W110ER is the way to go. In regards to the sexy visuals it is probably one of the main reason I wont sell her it looks the business with all added software/hardware gimmicks. Battery life is 5-6 hours for me under general use power savings 2.5-3 for gaming when flat out.

P.s The M11x R3 has 2 USB 3.0 hubs and a card reader the same as the W110ER just the difference is a VGA instead of DP or MDP

 

Where is the card reader located? I can't see it

 

I'll be out in Saudi Arabia in a fortnight so we won't even be crossing over timewise. I'll wave as I go over ;D

What's the lifespan on the M11x R3 during gaming use when not connected? It's hard to say I'm just after power because really you're looking at a similar price point for the full W110er to M11x R3; so in a way it's more; is a backlit keyboard going to fly when I'm paying a premium for 11.6" devices anywho. If the M11x R3 turns out to be able to run everything without me feeling I've compromised, it's going to win every time just because of the aesthetic!

Razyre: look under your power on LED at the front

 

I don't actually have it but I saw it just after I posted this in a video lol.

And the M11x will probably last no more than 2 hours when gaming by my guess, just like most 'tops.

 

3 hours when running something like Battlefield 3 but up to 4 easily if you are using the integrated card. Card Reader is right side of this shot next to the firewire port.

 

What sort of gaming life did we have reported for the W110er?

 

blimey, what a small world. im about a mile away from you.

it doesnt matter what laptop you have its not recommended to run demanding games on battery as it just knakers them faster.

! 3 hours Yiddo with B3 on battery, im in shock

 

Hah, dangerous thing to admit to, now I know you are near enough to pester you about my laptop questions ;D

I accept it's not recommended, but I won't always be at a power connector and it's worth knowing. I'd not actually considered the, perhaps more pertinent question, of how long it would operate on low intensity re; spreadsheets and documenting etc~

 

i lied im in las vegas i wish. i wont tell you were i work as thats even nearer.

 

That is nothing you wanna speak to the guys with the R1 they laugh at the R3 they can smash out 4-5 hours gaming and upto 10 under general use. For the record as well these batteries do not wear, been draining mine daily for the last year and I have 0.3% wear. Still sits at 65wh.

The battery does take up half the laptop mind.

Supposedly pretty good going on HTwingnut's review however if you have a 45 watt CPU you are looking at drawing up to 90watts if it is flat out so you cannot expect it to last longer than a couple of hours if you are pushing it to the limit. General usage you are probably looking near the same as the R3 if you power save it and Throttlestop the CPU. The biggest difference is the ULV 17watt TDP vs the full sized mobile I7 35/45watt.

 

bloody heck, thats moosive. even so, thats good going playing B3 on battery.
hate to think what my P150 would get lol

 

I found the wear on my P170hm was excessive I would only use it on battery say once a week if that and I had 10% wear before I knew it was not pleased.

They are expensive buggers though the M11's I have a spare original with warranty cost me £80 in UK. Remember as well 17watt CPU and 35watt GPU max TDP so it is using 3-4 times less than your 150. Hence low-med settings

 

jeez, 10% wear in a week, sod that.

i still wouldnt touch another AW now even if you paid me even though they are owned by dellienware.

i will stick with my clevo's

 

Certainly bar the M11x I won't go near anything else from Alienware I think the M14x above are too big and bulky I would revert back to Clevo if I wanted bigger but I love the smaller models and am just waiting for the next 11 inch gamer to hit the scene. Wouldn't mind an ATI card but like that is gonna happen with Enduro being trash.

 

But you would imagine, as you have mentioned previously, that the 3632QM choice would be a sterling choice because it would put us back down to reasonable battery life?

 

It will help certainly but remember the ULV runs at half of that when at full pelt I see mine hit 16watts normally when running BF3 the I7 would probably draw double that but the performance difference is 3 times more.
At normal usage you can limit any CPU down to 10-15watts and throttlestop is great for that. Heat is the major problem as reports say the W110ER runs into the 90's oC and my ULV never touches 60.

 

This is bloody annoying for a clueless pleb to decide on. Bloody thankful to have the forums and guides and whatnot because right now I have no idea what throttlestop is, but by the time I have whichever device I'm sure that I will have the information for making some little double click configured for when I'm gaming and when I'm document producing ;3

 

I wish it was ideal to turn off 2 cores and just leave it on that, but strangely, it doesn't save power. It can even use more...

 

In real life terms and general usage I see no performance difference between my I5 ULV to my I7-2760QM they both had the same SSD and when I ask it to do something it is instant. The ULV scores only a little bit lower than my old I7-720QM which was 45 watt The decision is yours at the end of the day you really have to decide yourself as mentioned if the W110ER came with DP and Backlit keyboard I would ditch the fancy features for the sheer performance but as the M11x runs everything I throw at it at half the power and very low temps and the biggy for me battery life I won't be moving till Q2 2013 at the earliest.

Company of Heroes 2 will be the clincher for me.

P.s Throttlestop was created by Unclewebb and is a masterpiece in Processor control from within Windows, from overclocking to voltage and power saving. I do not know how I lived without it.

 

Well, the GT 650M still is a lot faster than the GT 540M...

The 540M is reported as playing BF3 only on minimum and at 1024x768 med of 36fps

While the 650M is reported to run BF3 on high at 1366x768 med of 32 fps...

I know they tested the 650M GDDR5.... But people who got the W110ER and other laptops with same gpu with DDR3, reported that though they have a DDR3 version, the GPU clocks are increased and there wasn't much difference from GDDR5 to DDR3 on most games with lower resolutions (on 1080p it makes a difference, but none of those gpu's are made for 1080p gameplay).

Even my GTX570 on the Desktop struggles for 1080P, while on a low res, it goes easily to 70fps and more (on 1080 p it's usually under 60fps most of the times).
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GT540M:
[Battlefield 3]
low: (1024x768 2xAF -AA)
35 36.5 ~ 36 fps ██
med:
23 23.7 ~ 23 fps ██
high:
17.6 18 ~ 18 fps ██

GT650M (GDDR5 though DDR3 version, shouldn't be much far, specially on lower resolutions of the tests).

[Battlefield 3]
low:
57.9 64.4 ~ 61 fps ██
med:
39.6 42.3 43.3 ~ 42 fps ██
high: (1366x768 all HIGH 16xAF -AA) [DDR3 just probably will struggle a bit on this setts, but I believe u won't barely need to lower much to become just as good]
30.3 31.1 33.6 34.1 ~ 32 fps ██
ultra: (1080P all Extreme 16xAF 4xMSAA)
11.8 15.1 15.2 15.5 ~ 14 fps ██
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I think BF3 is just badly written. It doesn't seem to matter what GPU is, it runs like crap at 1080p. I have a 560Ti and it took overclocks nearing a GHz to get it to run smoothly at Ultra around 40-50fps. That is the clock it needed to eradicate micro-stuttering too. Annoyingly, it'll randomly start and stop artifacting, even if the temps are fine.

 

Max payne and other are far worse... it runs only on medium on a GT650 GDDR5...