Should I opt for the Clevo W110ER?

You're wrong. Changing CPU won't fix it, CPU wasn't the bottleneck to begin with. Yiddo is correct.

 

Well then why people reported the CPU also helped a lot to equalize them?

And you should have realized I said the big problem is the GDDR5 to DDR3 that bottlenecks. Also I haven't said using a better CPU fix it (read well next time), it improves and equalize better both cards on lot's of games (and AGAIN, there are also lot's that make no difference like I said), but won't ever fix the problem from ~30GB\s to more around 70GB\s on the GDDR5 version...

Like this:

Battlefield 3 1366×768 high -AA 16xAF I7 3610QM ~30 FPS I7 3720QM~34 (don't even know why this big difference from slightly different CPU's, this is even on GDDR5 version only).

ps: Since you say it doesn't, then bring a W110ER with a pentium or an I3 and then post here the tests. You will see huge difference in lot's of games against this same laptop under I73610QM. Specially on most apps and games coded for Quad core, will already make huge impact (not even talking about better CPU to CPU).
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Ohhhh notebookcheck results flimsier than a sweden ladies underwear.

Honestly you can compare results all day of the week but they will have nothing to do with the minor difference between the 3610QM and the 3720QM when it comes to gaming and if they did it would only be so minimal and in games that are specifically CPU intensive like Starcraft 2, CIV 5 etc and would barely brush the FPS. The results you are quoting cannot be exactly the same how can they compare the exact same scene twice indentically, they are just an average comparison at best and they have been known to differ from model to model and settings to settings. For gaming, it is all about the GPU. End of.

It is like comparing a honey roasted peanut to a hanabero chilli peanut. Still that same peanut, but different non the less.

 

Do you want just an example?










(Sadly they had no tests where the CPU's didn't had much impact, though as you can see on some there wasn't much difference on the best I7, I5 and I3, but against others with much lower performance, there was always big impact).

Once I was like you thinking that CPU + RAM + BOARD didn't made much of a difference on 99% of the games...

Until I realized in computing science, everything counts for FPS increasing, CPU, RAM, and even the motherboard chipset can improve a lot FPS in game. They sure won't ever have a huge impact as the GPU it self.

And there are games and games, just like ATI vs Nvidia (millions of games run better on one, other millions of games can rund better on the other)...

I would buy something that not a single component struggles the other. And CPU does can have huge impact in some cases, even though on others it might not do nothing or much at all.

Like that CPU from your alienware compared to the newest almost 3x times better performance, on most games will have a very huge impact, and believe me in that (off course on some won't do much or anything at all, but for the huge difference on lot's of other games I wouldn't ever buy it nowadays), as there are better laptops nowadays with like an I7 3610QM with the same GT540M and will cost around 700€ here.

Just the little RAM thing difference, there can be things like 8fps lost from something like 1333mhz to 2133mhz on some games, then again on some other's doesn't change a thing.

Hell even the Soundcard used to make a difference back then with the Creative EAX and own card memmory (even if it was 1FPS or less ).

ps: If it made no difference on 99% of games, why would all gaming PC bring a good CPU in them, or even RAM (thy could like you say have the worst I3 and a GTX690 in it). Why they don't do that? Because I3 will fall behind the GTX690 and will not make it to achieve it's top performance on most cases.
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You are listing results which do not have any influence in this argument they are desktop CPU's for a start and they do not mention what GPU is being used with each CPU, what system, motherboard, RAM it is just a basic comparison to a benchmark which unless they are identical systems the difference is going to be as you say 4-5fps and you cannot compare old AMD CPU's to brand new turbo boost technology extreme edition Intel CPU's it is david vs goliath.

Which leads back to my argument that the GPU is still the most important part of a gaming system. It does not matter what you achieve from a better CPU when a better GPU could do 10 times that. What else is there to say?

For the record you keep saying stuff like

I don't know where you see me saying these things but I haven't. I am saying one thing here, A more powerful CPU is not as important as a more powerful GPU for gaming.

 

So because it's desktop cpu's it won't change anything in laptops cpu's performance tests too? HAHA...

If you don't know The best laptop cpu's don't really have much difference in performance to desktop...

Well you should know that for that test to be valid they HAVE THE SAME EXACT SPECS or EQUIVALENT (do you think for testing CPU on gaming they would use an 2GB DDR3 1333mhz and a GTX550 and on the other they would use 4GB DDR3 2133mhz and GTX690???)

For each game tested the systems are the same (or pretty much the equivalent that support the CPU, since AMD is dif from Intel and architecthures also change).

Oh and one more thing, if you didn't know they tested the games on lower resolutions (you know why? Well if you didn't know actually on lower resolutions it seems that the performance of the CPU is being pushed more and require less GPU, therefore that tells even more how the low res of the ClevoW110 ER will push even more the CPU, and make even more difference than the RESOLUTION THEY TESTED, though one of the games was tested on even less res...).


You have also beasts of laptops with GTX680 SLI, do you ever think anyone would put an I3 in it and it would perform the same? (performance will already be loosing a lot, then SLI will have an even bigger problem as it won't be effective under low end cpus of nowadays).

You think too much that because on one CPU the game is using 80% and with other CPU it's using 50%, they have same performance, but just consumes more power on one than the other, Well that way of thinking is pretty pretty wrong.


ps: You get what you pay for. And as I said you can buy this Clevo W110ER for dirth cheap with a pentium or crap I3 in it, but then don't come crying that lot's of games would perform as good as a low end GPU under that GT650M DDR3. Now between a good I5 and I7, if ur low on cash, I recommend the I5, as it will perform good, though u will still lose a good amount of performance on some games that really like the QUAD core a lot.
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I'm running an i5-3360m vs i7-3610QM in my W110ER with gaming benchmark comparisons, but in any case CPU power all depends on the game. In some cases it's not even a matter of FPS but a matter of "smoothness". With a dual core in BF3 I get occasional stutters (@ 2.8GHz). If I run throttlestop to keep CPU at peak speed (3.5GHz), then the hiccups pretty much go away. With i7-3610QM even at 2.3GHz the game runs great with no hiccups.

 

Yep, that's why I was saying for money saving you should get a good I5 in this laptop and not the I7. But that proof also prove that CPU also makes a difference overall. And that's just one game. There sure will be a some that won't make a difference, but there also be lot's of them that make a big difference already, because nowadays apps and games are getting improved for quad cores or more.

Saying CPU's won't have impact on 99% of games is pretty wrong, as u saw the tests, there are hundreds or thousands that you can check and some lose more than 20FPS from one cpu to other or more... (sure that difference won't happen from I5 to I7 of nowadays), but sure an I7 like I7 3610QM against the I7 2617M from alienware M11x, will have big difference on most of the nowadays games and abismal difference on most apps (like converting, extracting\encrypting, video decoding, renders using lot of physics......).


Since we can't change GPU, we then change the CPU to try to get the best out of this GPU that won't ever be physically improved, at max can be OC'ed, but no matter what, with an I3 u sure won't ever extract the best out of it, with an I5 you are pretty good to go:thumbsup:

But if u have money, u sure need the I7 to extract the maximum on all situations (no matter what game, you know you will have the highest performance extracted, unless really RARE games that could even perform better on an I3, but that's really a rare thing and probably on pretty bad unoptimized game. But yeah there will still have a good amount of games that will just perform the same or have low impact, that's more usual). But you sure will like the games that will perform a lot better on the quad core I7 and enjoy a proper smooth gameplay against an I3, which is pretty much almost newer games that are pretty optimized, they will have a big difference in FPS, just like the tests I posted earlier.
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I would choose a quad core any day over a dual core. No games I've played or benched have ever been CPU limited when using the latest gen quad core, even the lowest one like the 3610QM, but dual core is a different matter altogether.

 

I think I saw some real RARE cases of a I5 that had more clock per core getting better score than the I7, but was really what? Probably A game in a thousand .

Don't know who gave me reputation on this thread as "Troll of the year".

What I told you on cpu's is true, they do count for games (more for some than the others). And yeah lower resolutions does affect even more CPU performance.

And more if u don't know for example CPU from default to nvidia cards, it pre-process 3 FPS for the GPU (this value can be changed on nvidia panel to lot more for more smoothness under low fps, but if the cpu is also slow, will make the situation 2 times worst, making input lag).


ps: I don't see where I'm trolling about cpu's. (are you blind enough to not see the tests and the HUGE differences from some cpu's to other's in terms of FPS count). I'm just informing you Why you shouldn't buy this laptop with I3 if you want to play games in it.
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Some games, primarily older ones rely on single or double threads and may perform better with a faster clocked dual core. But to be honest, if you look at clock speeds, only the i5-3360m has a higher base clock and boost clock than the i7-3610QM. 2.8 to 3.5 vs 2.3 to 3.3. The i5-3320m is 2.6 to 3.3 but how much it boosts will be about the same, so single and dual threaded performance will be very similar.

An i3 with a GT 620m would be fine. An i3 with a 680m would bottleneck hard. An i5 matched with a mid-range GPU (GT 650m/660m) would work just fine for 95% of games.

 

This highlights what you were saying too.

Link

In the above link they measured stuttering levels in gaming for different CPU's and noticed huge differences.

 

Well that escalated quickly xD

I stutter on BF3, but that's not CPU, but GPU. Ultra on BF3 causes microstutters on the 560Ti at 1080p. Although like the CPU, these are more or less eliminated with overclocking, but strangely my card starts artifacting randomly sometimes, mostly on BF3 to be honest. It's nothing to do with temperature and I can ram the voltage down to as low as possible and it still does it. I have to downclock it back to stock to fix the problem.

 

Yes, probably, But I wouldn't go with an I3 for any thing called "gaming PC". Gaming pc needs a proper I5, or off course for best smoothness an I7 quad core on all around situations.

That's what I was saying... In all the tests I posted last page on this thread, you can also see huge FPS difference between CPU's in gaming.

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Can anyone tell if those memory coolers will fit on Clevo W110ER CPU COOLER??


(Those are "SWIFTECH MC14 BGA MEMORY RAMSINKS").

Size:14mm (L) x 14mm (W) x 14.5mm (H)

Or can you tell me a better ones also must be 100% copper, that will fit in the cooler.

I want to make this:

Spoiler

(all credits goes to HACKNESS, because that's his pic!!!)
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Not too hard, just looks like the RAM sinks on there. I did that a few times. Quick, easy, and cheap to do:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...0-clevo-w110er-first-look-review.html#cooling

http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-...z-cooling-mod-thread-warning-lots-photos.html

 

That cooling solution is pretty cool.

A few other questions I have to ask if anyone has a W110ER;

- What are the synaptics like on it? The touchpad on the Vostro is brilliant, the scrolling, pinch and zoom etc. is a joy. What is it like on the Clevo? I've used a netbook of a similar size and the tracking was revolting for those features.
- Will the 3632 be 90/120W?
- Do you find the screen comfortable size wise? Not as an every day machine, but can you be productive on it considering the size? I tried a 10.1 and that's too small, but I think 11.6 might be just right. I only tried the W110ER very briefly and I can't really recall and it was only playing a game at the time anyway.

 

The touch pad works fine; I use it when horizontal to read small text with my tired eyeballs.

I have a thin and light 90 watt; what do YOU want to lug around? The 120W LG brick sits unused..

Screen is fine on the road, at the house, plug in that 23"!

Your research over? When and what are you going to order?

There are two other threads that will answer all of the above...and much more.

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I was actually just asking whether or not this thing could be run with a 90w if I was using that processor, so I'll take that as a yes.

It likely won't be docked in my house whatsoever, as it's just an out and about machine, my mid tower desktop does the job for anything at home

I think my research is indeed done, if you could link me to that other thread. I'm thinking of getting the XMG variant of the W110ER;

- i7 3632QM
- 4x2 (8)GB 1600MHz RAM
- 750GB Hybrid 8GB Cache Drive
- No windows installation (I can get legal copies of Windows for free, Microsoft Partner)
- 90w Charger

First of all, I need to get my laptop fully fixed up (It's had to be serviced multiple times, due to the fact it was sold to me in such a bad state - GPU Artifacting, Screen problems, Webcam still unresolved) by calling out a Dell engineer and then need to get it detatched from the Business it was ordered from so I can actually sell it on. Then I just need to sell it, get the money and buy the XMG.

One other quick question, when I install Windows, do I need to install specific Clevo drivers once the installation is done, to get everything working?

 

Yes, answered many times under under the, unfortunately, two separate threads for this little monster. Hint; Look under the owners forum

Not to be a butt, but, YOU should take the time to read through these posts if your serious, then list your questions.

All different laptops need specific drivers. You should receive a DVD driver disk with your order.

 

If people are willing to help then I may as well take advantage of that, rather than using the rather appalling search mechanism on this forum to find the W110ER thread and the exact thing I need. Pretty much all my questions are answered though, thanks.

 

Your right, searching sucks big time but we have been asked to use google which works fine. My point is if you have the patience, you will catch a lot of deeper nuggets, and faster. Editing text is another issue..


Your thread was great and I got some good laughs out of it and that's fine! Hope I did not come off like thread 5-O

 

Searching?

bookmark this; site:forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo-reviews-owners-lounges and use from Google.

add a space then type your key words w110 power supply or any keyword(s)

Hopefully this gets fixed down the road.

 

Thank you! I'll update in this topic about how progress goes.

 

Update is in!

I have finally ordered my Clevo W110ER

Here are the specs I opted for;

- i7 3632QM
- 8GB Samsung 1600 RAM
- 750GB 6Gb/s 8GB SSD Cache Drive
- Matte Screen

I ended up ordering from PCSpecialist. To put it simply, I can't wait for it to arrive!!