The Notebook Review forums were hosted by TechTarget, who shut down them down on January 31, 2022. This static read-only archive was pulled by NBR forum users between January 20 and January 31, 2022, in an effort to make sure that the valuable technical information that had been posted on the forums is preserved. For current discussions, many NBR forum users moved over to NotebookTalk.net after the shutdown.
Problems? See this thread at archive.org.

    Should I still go ahead and get Clevo?

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by Duplicated, Nov 3, 2016.

  1. Duplicated

    Duplicated Notebook Geek

    Reputations:
    5
    Messages:
    78
    Likes Received:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    16
    The more I dig through the forum, the more I uncover not-so-pleasant stories. I mean, there's even a sticky thread talking about the fan speed cannot be manually adjust (among other problems), and a user experience thread about the fan not slowing down even when it's no longer under heavy load.

    If I have to spend more hours (and possibly $) fixing QoL issues on a two grands, brand new laptop, I'd rather opt for a cheaper brand now and wait until Clevo gets things straight in their next iterations down the road. Any idea here?
     
  2. Support.2@XOTIC PC

    Support.2@XOTIC PC Company Representative

    Reputations:
    486
    Messages:
    3,148
    Likes Received:
    3,490
    Trophy Points:
    331
    There aren't many threads saying "I got my Sager and it worked adequately", but that's the vast majority of users. Dedicated forums have a habit of making problems seem worse and wider in scope than they actually are. I'm not saying Clevo shouldn't make improvements to their product line, but they're hardly a bad line this time around.
     
  3. saturnotaku

    saturnotaku Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    4,879
    Messages:
    8,926
    Likes Received:
    4,707
    Trophy Points:
    431
    You're going to see that everywhere. If you think this forum is bad, gaze yonder at the Alienware one. I was having fan and external display issues with my Clevo, but a BIOS update sorted them. I wouldn't have a second thought about purchasing my system again and will likely continue to do so in the future.
     
  4. Support.1@XOTIC PC

    Support.1@XOTIC PC Company Representative

    Reputations:
    203
    Messages:
    4,355
    Likes Received:
    1,099
    Trophy Points:
    231
    Every brand is going to have their quirks about the systems. Overall, Clevo makes fairly well rounded systems in my opinion. Even in the past few months, I've recommended them to my own family over other brands, and had no issues making those recommendations with confidence.
     
    Papusan and jclausius like this.
  5. alienowl

    alienowl Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    15
    Messages:
    260
    Likes Received:
    17
    Trophy Points:
    31
    I got my Sager and it is adequate! :p I got my Sager and it is awesome! purchased through XoticPC just over one year ago and it is running great and cool. I would not hesitate to buy Sager again.
     
    Support.2@XOTIC PC likes this.
  6. TBoneSan

    TBoneSan Laptop Fiend

    Reputations:
    4,460
    Messages:
    5,558
    Likes Received:
    5,798
    Trophy Points:
    681
    The fans are fine so long as you stay the hell away from Intel XTU.
     
    Papusan likes this.
  7. Duplicated

    Duplicated Notebook Geek

    Reputations:
    5
    Messages:
    78
    Likes Received:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Thank you for all the reassurance. Like @Tanner@XoticPC said, I won't see a whole lot of happy stories around here since they're all happily playing with their new toy and are too busy to give positive feedback here.

    So, what should I use then? Afterburner/Rivatuner?
     
  8. TBoneSan

    TBoneSan Laptop Fiend

    Reputations:
    4,460
    Messages:
    5,558
    Likes Received:
    5,798
    Trophy Points:
    681
    @Duplicated

    You don't need to use anything. I can only speak for the 870 DM3 but they work without needed 3rd party software and do a great job. I'd especially recommend to steer clear of 1st party software too. XTU runs havoc in the machines and all the newer versions of Clevo Control Center install services from XTU. Once this happens the fans take on a life of their own ie. don't spin sometimes , ramp up late, don't spin down - nasty stuff and a royal PITA to exercise from the machine .
     
    Papusan and Spartan@HIDevolution like this.
  9. Duplicated

    Duplicated Notebook Geek

    Reputations:
    5
    Messages:
    78
    Likes Received:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    16
    So, what do I do once I receive the laptop then? Clean install W10 right away?
     
  10. Support.1@XOTIC PC

    Support.1@XOTIC PC Company Representative

    Reputations:
    203
    Messages:
    4,355
    Likes Received:
    1,099
    Trophy Points:
    231
    Always glad to hear someone is still happy with their purchase! :)
     
  11. Prostar Computer

    Prostar Computer Company Representative

    Reputations:
    1,257
    Messages:
    7,426
    Likes Received:
    1,016
    Trophy Points:
    331
    People tend to be more apt to complain than to compliment. If you really dig, though, you'll find a lot of happy Clevonians (if you will) - but since it's all so subjective, it's best to find what looks good to you and go for it, then formulate your own opinion about it after you've had some time with it.

    The fan speed issue is something of a non-issue, as laptops typically don't give you much - if any - control over the fan curve.

    Happy hunting!
     
    i_pk_pjers_i likes this.
  12. Support.2@XOTIC PC

    Support.2@XOTIC PC Company Representative

    Reputations:
    486
    Messages:
    3,148
    Likes Received:
    3,490
    Trophy Points:
    331
    I would start with control center, and even then don't just do it right out of the box, if you have problems with it then start looking at potential causes, but otherwise leave it as configured to see if there even is a problem.
     
  13. i_pk_pjers_i

    i_pk_pjers_i Even the ppl who never frown eventually break down

    Reputations:
    205
    Messages:
    1,033
    Likes Received:
    598
    Trophy Points:
    131
    Those issues are miniscule compared to the issues of other laptops, and the benefits of other laptops are nothing compared to Clevo laptops.

    I will never buy another laptop that isn't Clevo. Clevo is the only laptop type I will buy.
     
    Papusan likes this.
  14. Support.1@XOTIC PC

    Support.1@XOTIC PC Company Representative

    Reputations:
    203
    Messages:
    4,355
    Likes Received:
    1,099
    Trophy Points:
    231
    I would agree to that completely. There are things people will point out possible improvements about on any model. But usually those types of things aren't across all models, and I don't think they are quite as bad in my opinion.
     
    i_pk_pjers_i likes this.
  15. TBoneSan

    TBoneSan Laptop Fiend

    Reputations:
    4,460
    Messages:
    5,558
    Likes Received:
    5,798
    Trophy Points:
    681
    No offense but it light of a the fan bugging issues that's terrible advice.
    I certainly wouldn't start with the Control Center. If it one must install it at all, they shouldn't use anything newer than Control Center AP v5.0001.0.50 otherwise it will install Intel XTU services in the background and totally ruin the fan tables. It's far from an easy fix after that too.

    @Phoenix
    @Duplicated
     
  16. Spartan@HIDevolution

    Spartan@HIDevolution Company Representative

    Reputations:
    39,619
    Messages:
    23,562
    Likes Received:
    36,877
    Trophy Points:
    931
    +1 on this

    [​IMG]
     
  17. Duplicated

    Duplicated Notebook Geek

    Reputations:
    5
    Messages:
    78
    Likes Received:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    16
    So the Intel XTU service that messes up the fan speed is bundled with newer versions of Clevo Control Center?

    Gotta save your link for when my laptop's eventually here then :)
     
  18. Spartan@HIDevolution

    Spartan@HIDevolution Company Representative

    Reputations:
    39,619
    Messages:
    23,562
    Likes Received:
    36,877
    Trophy Points:
    931
    Duplicated and TBoneSan like this.
  19. saturnotaku

    saturnotaku Notebook Nobel Laureate

    Reputations:
    4,879
    Messages:
    8,926
    Likes Received:
    4,707
    Trophy Points:
    431
    CCC messed with the fans when I initially set up my P670RS. Since updating the BIOS to correct an issue with external displays causing high CPU usage, however, I have had no problems with the software. Just make sure to install the exact version that Clevo provides for the specific model you buy.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  20. Axon14

    Axon14 Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    30
    Messages:
    156
    Likes Received:
    40
    Trophy Points:
    41
    I was about to say the same thing. If you judged by these forums, every laptop sucks. The reality is when the laptop works, the user posts nothing, and when it doesn't, many users are inclined to go off on the laptop on a forum, not just once but several times. It's just human nature to focus on the negative, to focus on how YOU got screwed. It is particularly apparent on hardware forums, where posters tend to be cynical (to be kind).
     
  21. Equatis

    Equatis Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    22
    Messages:
    100
    Likes Received:
    35
    Trophy Points:
    41
    Duplicated (OP),

    Some guy at XoticPC put doubt in my heart about getting another brand and introduced me to Sager/Clevo. I ended up trying Sager for the first time and I honestly can't say anything bad about Clevo/Sager stuff. So much more value for the money and they honestly don't look bad either.

    Keep us posted on what you decide.