Should Sager offer touchscreens on future models?

Since Microsoft is so eager to embrace a touchscreen OS on non-touchscreen devices, do you think Sager should offer touch screen displays?

To be honest I'd much rather see higher quality and higher resolution displays, and hopefully Microsoft will jump off the touchscreen mentality bandwagon.

 

touchscreens are pretty awesome, but very unnecessary on dtr-style gaming rigs imho. just makes sense on smartphones,tablets and ultrabooks/"convertibles".

high-res/high gamut over touch anytime!

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I'm MUCH more interested in an IPS or PLS quality option.

 

Im a big fan of touchscreens. Ive had a laptop with one and its hard to go back. Would love to see Sager with them

 

For the life of me, I cannot understand why people want a touchscreen on a laptop. A touchscreen usually acts as the sole input for a device because that is all the device has, such as with a tablet or smartphone. Obviously, to each their own, but I would rather see a return to 16:10 screen availability instead of a flipping touchscreen.

 

If no quality is sacrificed otherwise, bring it on! There are touch screens which support touch and mouse/touchpad use, Asus has those on their Vivobooks.
I would rather see an IPS option but the 95% gamut matte screens currently available are pretty nice already. One of those in a touch screen....win.

 

Depends on if games and more quality software support touchscreen. For the time being, I have no need. Maybe if I was a graphics artist? Dunno, that might be interesting.

 

I can't see the need. Fingerprints and smudges on a screen ruin the image quality. Convertibles, fine, anything you need a good image, no.

 

tru that, i can already picture myself either wiping off my laptop screen the whole friggin time (like with my smartphone ) or never using the touch input because im too lazy to wipe it clean every 5 minutes

 

This touchscreen fad is stifling technological advancement. We need to get away from TN panels and move to higher pixel densities first.

 

That's what we can only hope. I guess my point is what Kevin is saying. Touchscreens are a fad, but the worse part about is that the OS embraces it like it is a solution for every device. But do you think touchscreen should even exist. I agree I don't want to touch my screen. It gets dirty enough as it is.

 

I wouldn't say they shouldn't exist. It's up to individuals to decide what they want. I don't want it, but I can see why people might. Perhaps the biggest mistake MS made is not giving us the choice between a touch optimised interface and a Win 7 style one as standard.

 

How about a small touchscreen on the place of the touchpad? It could work as a touchpad but also display info/contain macros.

 

kinda like the razer blade, nice lil gimmick that would be actually

 

Yes Sager should. I eventually see the line between tablets and laptops fading as time goes on. The way laptops are heading because of Windows 8, it probably would be in their interest to come out with models to compete against the Acer's, Asus', Lenovo's etc. Perhaps, provide screen options for those who want it. For me, when I'm out and about and don't want to break out the mouse and mouse pad or can't because of space limitations, being able to use the screen to scroll for me with my hands around the keyboard would beat two finger and edge scrolling on the touchpad by a mile.

 

so....how often are you "out and about" with ur handy P170EM wanting to take a quick peek at it using the integrated 17 inch touchscreen?

 

Should have clarified, traveled quite a bit past several months

 

haha, what i actually meant was: how often does one go out and about taking a 17 inch gaming rig with him? sure, i can understand using it in hotel rooms or offices and such on desks, but while on the go i doubt ull just take it out of its sleeve/bag to use it while walking down the street or standing in the metro makes more sense to use touchscreens on light and handy devices.

 

I agree with SStaged about the line between laptops/tablets fading. Smartphones/tablets are booming right now and, in my years as a university student, I've seen the campus favorite go from MacBooks to iPads.

I think whenever Windows 8 (or beyond) becomes the standard, any laptop without a touch-screen will feel gimped. They already added touch-mode to Civ V and I played some great touch apps on the Windows 8 marketplace. Instead of viewing it as a fad, I think we are actually the niche. Touch screens broaden computing accessibility and by restricting ourselves to traditional form factors, we restrict technology and information from those who would not otherwise use computers. I'm amazed at how many older people, children, and non-techie females are into tablets, all people who might otherwise view tech as a burdensome tool. We would be "stifling" technology advancement in a different direction to turn our noses at touch.

 

Offering a touchscreen without adding a pivotable hinge wouldn't make much sense. Touch screens that are vertical cause sever strain on the user if used for a long time Disadvantages of touch screen . For artists, it may make sense if it allows the usage of a wacom-like pen. For most other users, it is obviously of less value, but may make sense on some games, or even for browsing or handwriting recognition. The best approach would be a dockable solution. A small arm big- tablet that docks on a full blown pc and works as a monitor only (when docked) . This is what the current generation is more or less aiming at (since the Asus TF101), but is still not quite there yet.

And for those who say that we should focus on pixel density even more, I disagree. It actually became a very crazy race with companies trying to trumph Apple's High Res products. HTC released a mobile device with 1080p in 5 inches. For you to see the pixels you have to put it so close to your face that you can't either focus or it isn't just confortable. 2560 by 1600 pixels in 15 inches isn't enough?

 

2560 x 1600 in a 15inch display would sure be enough for starters! but were just not there yet (at least not in clevo machines). thats what were looking / hoping / waiting for

 

True, though I see this as a more possible option for the future Clevo laptops, rather than the touchscreen. Still, having both as options would be sweet :3 . The more the merrier, I'd say.

 

Better that touchscreen, something that works with your hand moves even if you're not touching the screen (because touching the screen + 3D must not be fun, and for a more general utilization it'd be way better not to E.T. CALL HOME your computer every time, as it looks really weird on convertibles ).

 

I don't want greasy fingerprints all over my laptop's display, but I guess I would be interested in something like I think it's the leap motion device. That little box sitting on the desk tracking finger movements above it with accuracy seems like a great idea and I hear Asus are integrating it into a few of their laptops (or a big laptop manufacturer, forget which one). So, rather have more resolution but if you provide touch make sure you do it right because greasy fingerprints just detract from a laptop, as does the glossy glass usually used, matte is awesome.

 

I don't know. The same kind of hype happened with the kinect on the pc community. I bet the NUI guys will love leap motion (as they did with the kinect), but for the average user, typing on a keyboard or scrolling on a mouse, albeit less natural, it is also less tiring. Some technologies age very slowly for a reason :3 .

 

Not really fond of touchscreens but additional options doesn't hurt


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Some technologies were just made for the setup. I do hope touchscreens are a fad though, and Microsoft comes to realize that. Fine, have your phones, tablets and convertibles touchscreen, but laptops and desktops need to stay non-touchscreen. It's funny because my UPS guy (who has been delivering me packages for the last 10 years) asked me what touchscreen to get for his new desktop with Windows 8. I tried to explain to him that you don't need it for Windows 8, but he was adamant that he gets one because it was too hard to use otherwise. I recommended he spend the money and use Windows 7 instead.

 

I concur. It makes no sense, particularly in a desktop, to use a touchscreen in a vertical screen. On an horizontal screen, it may make sense for some operations, but not for most users. I work daily with touchscreen monitors in my CG lab, and we even forget that they are touch-enabled. That and our kinect is either used for 3D modeling, or a few NUI projects (usually for kids or elder folk). Unfortunatly, many people do not realize that they not need a certain technology to accomplish a task (neither a hardware requirement, nor a usability one).

 

Yes, but only on a few models. the 11 inch ones seem like they would work best.

 

I'm not saying it should replace the keyboard and mouse, I'm saying that if sager really wanted to add touchscreens they should do it in the best way possible, and one that doesn't harm everyone else's experience (I. E. If you really must drive a nail through your foot for some reason do it with the right tool). I personally believe leap motion could be that way, but I certainly believe adding gloss, fragile glass, thickness, weight, and greasy fingerprints with traditional touch screens isn't the way.

 

Ah yes, I do agree we should be given the option. I always vote yes on this type of things. If by having that option, anyother option remains intact (prices, etc) I see no reason to vote no. Even if one personally doesn't see a need for such add-on, it seems just to admit its' usefulness for others.

 

If technology like leap motion integrated into a laptop with 3D screen, it would be extremely interesting.

 

For the 17 inch DTR's, I'd rather see the RGB LED screens make a comeback before touchscreens

2 years and counting and my M17x R2's screen still looks better than anything new coming out. Its a damn shame.

Unless sager starts doing some radical engineering to make pivotable hinges like some of the laptop/touchpad hybrids that have been released lately I personally can't see myself using a touchscreen on a 17 inch DTR all that often, or even a 15inch for that matter.

11inch however.. maybe. But you'd still need some unique hinge work to make it worth it imo.

 

Great point on the hinges. Didn't even think of that. They would need new rigid and robust hinges to make touchscreen even a remote possibility. That wouldn't be such a bad thing though.

 

I actually don't agree on the hinges being that rigid. They should allow for pivoted rotation along the Y axis of the center of the screen as well as near 360º rotation along the X axis. This would allow for you to turn the monitor outwards when closing the lid over the keyboard, or displaying the monitor from underneath the laptop (useful in scenarios where you'd still use your touchpad à lá PS Vita). There have been quite a few studies showing that vertical touchscreens promote arm fatigue, as you constantly have to raise and lower your arm several times / keep the arm parallel to the ground for a long while. So it's either horizontal (useful for drawing / handwritting recognition) or it's very unappealing, i'd say...

 

detachable screen then?

 

It's been done before, but is quite innovative, HD4000 GPU while detached and GTX680/7970M + Keyboard/touchpad performance when docked. Though I can't see it fitting into such a small form factor and still have decent cooling on the CPU.

I would really like to see more 120hz screens being offered, IPS would also be nice.

 

I'm just saying the screen shouldn't wiggle when you touch it. The hinges are decent, but they have a lot to be desired because it can wiggle a little even when I type a lot and fast. I shouldn't just be able to tap it with my fingers and have it wiggle.

But twisting the screen 180 degrees and folding it over the keyboard isn't a bad idea, although for 15" and 17" laptops that weigh 6-10 lbs it's a bit cumbersome to use that way by carrying it.

Personally I don't want a touch screen. But if OS's are going to head that way then we may not have much choice.

 

cpu cooling wouldnt be a big deal if u consider having a complete mobile SoC independent from the rest of the laptop inside the screen

 

Yeah, lol. Have an AMD A6 inside the screen, and full blown Intel setup in the chassis. Full of win, well drivers would be hell.

 

lol, i was rather thinking of smth like a qualcomm/android combo in the screen or probably win8 rt, since that would make more sense

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I personally thought that Dell's flip-hinge XPS 12 was rather clever.

I'l like it better than what lenovo did with the yoga in any case.

 

I think we are all on the same page here. We all agree that the way this can make sense is if they are capable of a Asus TF101 like solution: tablet with awesome screen, battery and tablet OS. When docked, it charges and provides screen for the computer. The dock has all the usual: disk, ram, CPU, GPU, ports etc. The only issue is having a 15 or 17 inch tablet. That could be solved, perhaps, with foldable screens. This portability atracts me a lot (hence, I order an MK808 for 35€ a couple of days back), but we are still one or two generations from it IMO.

 

I have owned 2 Sagers now. I'm convinced my next device will be some kind of touch screen device.

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For sure a Ubuntu/android Touchscreen laptop Would find some success , because you wouldn't have to reboot to use the touch OS

 

My take on this would be very simple.
Surprisingly, touchscreen laptops don't suck | The Verge - Just for info basis, not as an example.

As technology matures it will become a part of consumer convention. Laptops are inherently mobile therefore a case of luxury when compared to desktops which are immobile. Future (x>30 yr) of computation will be mobile, because by that time mobile PCs will have high performances which exceeds that of common brain tasking limits. As as PC user, I think PC is no doubt high performance but laptop performance are already reaching high levels with respect to a common consumer with "common" being the key word. In conclusion mobile platforms in the future will inevitably replace immobile counterparts in lieu of consumer products (Immobile platforms will continue to be used in the industrial/health/simulation etc sector).

Touch screen technology is just the beginning. In fact gesture technology which now is immature, will replace touch systems. Laptops being a case by case basis "luxury" item, should certainly have all new technology embedded within them being a luxury product. In fact I am routinely disappointed when a company manufactures a laptop which use a decade old standard (such as old wireless platforms/ old USB tech/ Old optical tech etc). I feel that is "fooling" the intelligent consumers and taking advantage of non-tech knowledge laden consumers.

EXAMPLE: I have an Ipad 1 - Been using for cup-o-years and the screen is still clean and works excellent. I have also used touch screen desktops, needless to say my productivity dramatically increased just by direct contact with the screen (output) rather than using my hand to coordinate the cursor and click it. This is not a basis of being lazy but rather increasing productivity between brain-computer interface. To be true (Just like SSDs) once you use it, its hard to go back to non-touch surfaces. Whether its a gaming laptop or a office laptop, it is still a laptop, hence for the high price (x>$1000) a touch screen should be a mandatory affair and it lets me down when manufacturers do not do that.

To conclude, an average laptop (~$500), should have basic tech (USB 3.0, Backlit keyboard, Graphically optimized, i5 performance - standard slowly increasing day by day). For a $1000 laptop it better have advanced features too including discrete graphics and touch screen as its a new norm. One should not have to wait 2-3 yrs to buy a laptop when the tech already exists 3 yrs back. In fact Sager/MSI/Asus etc laptops being ({x>$1300} = 3 X $400 laptop price) after minimal configuration still does not have these advanced features. In fact some companies are already utilizing such tech in $800 laptops and I definitely commend them for taking a brave decision. Having said that, this statement is not against any high performance laptop manufacturer but rather a kind reminder for what consumers stand for and need for their daily computation and entertainment consumption. (I understand my perspective may not be the same as others - which makes this argument all the more enjoyable)

09/19/13 UPDATE:
HP Envy 17 Leap Motion SE: Touchscreen + Motion gesture interface
I was surprised they released gesture tech so soon! I am sure it will have inherent limitations but nevertheless an attempt.

 

Should they offer touchscreens? Sure, why not?

But I sure as heck am not going to get that option. Touchscreens on gaming machines are pretty useless, especially with the abysmal battery life and the horrendous weight. I'm in the camp of wanting higher quality and higher resolution screens, up to the so-called "retina" quality.

 

John Carmack's take on touch screen with other info on virtual tracking/gesture tech. Thought this might add some updated values on this argument.

John Carmack's keynote at Quakecon 2013 part 3 - YouTube