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    Sleeping dogs on NP9150!

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by TrantaLocked, Aug 25, 2012.

  1. TrantaLocked

    TrantaLocked Notebook Deity

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    I downloaded the new open world Sleeping Dogs demo from steam today! If you haven't checked it out, try it, as I really recommend it.

    I game on an NP9150 with the 7970m. Here is how my experience went.

    The game options themselves blew me away. Every thing is in there, from AA to shadows to FPS limiting. I decidedly chose to max every single settings out just to get a picture of how the 7970m would handle the extreme AA.

    With MSI afterburner, I measured an average of 27FPS with all settings maxed at 1920x1080. But wait, there's more. After lowering AA from extreme to normal with ALL OTHER SETTINGS unchanged, FPS increased to 60FPS-70FPS. Yeah, and on the built in 1080p screen, AA does next to nothing, so this particular setting change is my recommendation for those wanting to max out visuals with good FPS. I simply set vsync to OFF but the in-game FPS limiter to 60FPS and bam-no lag, no tearing, 60FPS solid gameplay. *Edit* FPS does drop to the mid 40s at some points, including the outside fights. The indoor level was 60FPS throughout.

    Also, I will mention this: notebook check recorded an average 29FPS on all max, close to me, while with the GTX 680m they recorded 23FPS. Just some thing to think about. Enduro may suck, but when both cards are at 99%, the 7970m can crunch some numbers.

    I forgot to mention how good the game looks. The style is impressive, and the lighting is pretty much up to today's standards. Face detail is amazing, and textures mostly look sharp and colorful.

    The gameplay itself is amazing. The physics seem to be based on a mix between real-time and pre-recorded. Fighting is awesome, but I don't want to spoil it for you.

    Here is my playthrough so you can get an idea of what you can do in the game. You can't see FPS/usage but FPS without recording stays stable at 60FPS with the in-game limiter and usage stays around 70% or above. When no FPS limit is set usage is at 99% pretty much at all time, whether AA is set to normal or extreme.

    <iframe width='560' height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/H3w6wSq77zA" frameborder='0' allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
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  2. jaug1337

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    +1 thanks for the video!
    Wow absolutely beautiful!

    I've not managed to get the time to play this game yet, but I will :D
     
  3. webcrtor

    webcrtor Notebook Consultant

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    You can play it? I'm having problems with it :( I can only play on my intel hd4000, when I try to play it on my 7970m , the game crashes every 10-15 minutes and there's nothing to do about it, it seems. I'm not the only one having this problem, on the sleeping dogs forums there are a lot of users having this issue, all with a 7xxx card or a gtx680
     
  4. SynapseR

    SynapseR Notebook Guru

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    Bam.

    There goes your argument OP, the 7970M is a disgrace of a card, nothing like it's Desktop lineup.

    The same can be said for laptop GPU's in general.

    You pay anywhere from 300-500 euros for a mobile GPU that pales in comparison with the desktop lineup.

    Compare the 7970M with the 7970, compare the 680M with the 680. Garbage comes to mind.

    I have a clevo p151em with a 660M since the laptop isn't my main rig. The 660M is another joke of a card, with just a slight bump in performance relatively to the 650M and even the 560M.

    AMD had everything to put out an amazing card, and at times IT REALLY is an outstanding card in mobile standards, but the software issues completely throw it to the ground.
     
  5. webcrtor

    webcrtor Notebook Consultant

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    Actually his argument is not crushed :) Because it's the whole 7xxx lineup that is giving problems, not only the mobile versions :)
     
  6. wingman4ever

    wingman4ever Notebook Consultant

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    I had this issue too the game crashed after 1 or 2 minutes. But after I reinstalled the drivers the game went almost perfect. I had only 1 crash till now 85% of all achievements.

    I uninstalled the amd software plus the drivers in device manager and used driver sweeper too clean the rest. After restart don't let windows install his own intel display drivers. I used the stock drivers from the CD.

    But I did have occasional slow downs but the cut scenes were always at 99%, too bad it had utilization problems ingame... Played it on max except aa too high.
     
  7. SynapseR

    SynapseR Notebook Guru

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    No.

    The 7850 and 7870 were giving some problems initially due to immature drivers, but right now everything is going smoothly for the whole lineup.

    The 7970M however, on clevo machines, has been a a nightmare. Don't mistake driver optimization with plain software (enduro is the main culprit).

    With the 7850 dropping to the 210 dollars, the 7870 to the 250 dollars and the 7950 to the 320 dollar mark, AMD has a strong lineup of desktop GPU's that are stable and reliable, while the 7970M is a stain.

    Correct me if I'm wrong.
     
  8. jaug1337

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    You are correct.

    The 7970M is severely retarded in the Clevo's.. aswell as the ALienware's even though Enduro can be turned off on their machines
     
  9. arcticjoe

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    To be honest 7970m (without enduro) or 680m are both very powerful cards, beating previous gen best desktop cards like 6970 or gtx 580. Yes they are slower than their desktop counterparts, but they also use less then half their power and generate a lot less heat.
     
  10. mahalsk

    mahalsk Notebook Consultant

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    Sorry to dissapoint you TrantaLocked, but the performance you saw in the demo is not what you will experience in the full game once you will go out and drive a car arround. I bought the game as I wanted some alternative for bf3 multi, untill it'll get fxed , and I'm must say that I'm dissapointed even more of my purchese and the desicion to take 7970m.
    Once you will get past the few scenes like the one on the market place or indor fights, you will sit on a motorcicle ride around the city and see dips down to 20 fps and the game loks really choppy. No matter what setting you'll use , still the same drop to 20's. I duuno if theres a built in benchamrk in the demo but you can still try that one as there are some street scenes where you can see these issues. Once again I found another reason why I think my 1600 Euros spend on a high end laptop ended up as a bad joke... Only game I found that playes without issues is alan wake and metro 2033, but yeah, I wont play those as I already played through them on my older laptop...
    Common amd/sager where are those drivers ?????????
     
  11. mahalsk

    mahalsk Notebook Consultant

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    And by the way you can still see even on notebookcheck, where they did benching on the built in benchmark test, that the 7970m is being outperformed by much slower cards on lower setting.
    Benchmarkcheck: Sleeping Dogs - Notebookcheck.com Tests

    Even the gtx660m had better performance on medium settings, and bare in mind that the benchmark isnt as demanding and suffering from enduro like driving around in a car on open streets does..
     
  12. Silverfern

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    you sound like a laptop hater for some reason. you do realize they would be able to put any desktop version chip in a laptop but the heat would render the laptop un-useable? Also you have to realize not everyone have the money for both a desktop and a laptop, especially students who needs lots of mobility and also wants to play games at good settings?

    AMD and Nvidia have to develope smaller manufacturing processes to make cooler and more efficient cards, its not just a shrink every year, we are past that stage maybe a decade ago. now it requires new innovations every year to make the manufacturing processes smaller. past a certain point, you run into quantum tunnelling and lithography problems
     
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    Moot point really but 7970m should be fairly compared to 7870, being its base. :)

    Sent from my EVO using Tapatalk 2
     
  14. TrantaLocked

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    Guys when you open the game for the first time, exit immediately, and when the AMD CCC popup comes up, make sure to select "high performance" for the game .exe. If you don't get the popup, manually add the .exe in CCC. It should be in your steam folder. You need to have both Sager and Windows in high performance mode, and you need to be plugged in. Go to the Intel graphics center, go to power, and set "plugged in" to maximum performance. I don't get any crashes in the game, and the game runs super smooth.

    Yes, the card doesn't scale well when settings are decreased, but with my settings I'm getting 60FPS. No need for extreme AA.
     
  15. mahalsk

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    As I said wait til you get a full game and you will drive on open streets there you will spot drops to low 20's and utilization around 50% like on the other games in certain areas. In those scenes you uploaded the game runs fine for me also.. TMy conclusin is that the game is also crippled badly by enduro and somethimes unplayeble.(car chases, etc..)
     
  16. SynapseR

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    I'm a student myself studying outside of my local town, so I get your point, but I can't take economical reasons into account when speaking about plain hardcore gaming.

    I'm going to say that I can buy a desktop with the same performance than the p170em (with the 7970M) for 800 dollars/euros.

    In fact, I only bought the p151em because I had spare cash and I decided to get a more versatile laptop whilst keeping my desktop for more serious gaming.

    I'm not a laptop hater in any strech of the imagination, I can't say I'm disappointed with my clevo, but it's nowhere near the capabilities of my Desktop, and they actually cost the same.

    for 1200 euros:

    intel i5 2500K @ 4.5 Ghz
    Asus p67 sabertooth
    2 x nGTX 560 ti OC in sli
    2x HDD 500 Gb in Raid 0
    Silverstone Raven rev 2.0 computer case

    And this was one year ago, right now, you can easily switch that for 2x amd 7950 or gtx 660 ti's.

    My clevo:

    intel i7 3610QM
    Nvidia GTX 660M
    500 Gb HDD
    8 Gb of Ram
    stock screen
    OC diamond thermal paste

    Go figure.

    I understand the reasoning behind it, but I'm still not convinced by the current state of laptop gaming.