So the NP2090/IFL90 has an 8600GT with DDR2?

and he is does this on purpose why?

 

I don't think the fire was a desired result.

 

Lol, of course the guy selling the notebooks is going to say it won't matter, but it will. You're playing with a next gen GPU stuck with 2 generation old memory bandwidth (~12GB/s). That'll cause a huge bottleneck whenever you're using antialiasing or playing with... textures. Games will still be playable, sure, but they won't be running nearly as fast as with the higher clocked 8600m GT.

It's mean, but it's true. And no, the 512MB of dedicated GPU Ram won't make up for the lower clocks.

 

Well judging by the fact that its up in the air on Dell's GDDR memory in their 8600gt, we may all be in the same boat....

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=138868

 

I am so worried now, osserpse makes it sound like the Sager NP2090 is bad.T_T.

 

People are so insecure about their purchase. Even if the 2090 has GDDR2 it doesn't make it bad. I just consoled a G1S user because he felt that all of a sudden people were saying it was bad. Neither of these machines are bad. They have different audiences but both kick serious butt in their own way.

Do your research, make the compromises that make sense for you because each laptop will compromise something. Then don't look back and be happy.

 

A month ago everyone was on pins and needles because we didnt know if it was a GT card or not, and now we are all worried about if its GDDR2 or GDDR3, even though from the beginning we saw the Zepto was GDDR2. Maybe its just our nature to need to worry all the time.

 

I'm also a little bummed that I would have to buy a completely new laptop just to have a potentially better GPU, =/

 

I do think some of the posts come across as bouts of anxiety from people who are insecure about the choices they made. I guess the idea is that if they can convince others that their choice is the best, they can reduce their anxiety.

 

I am not insecure about my purchase. I am very excited but the only thing that worries me right now is the GPU, the 8600GT. I'm not worried if it is DDR2 or DDR2, I don't care honestly but I would like to know how it would perform with DX10 games.

What is going on in my head right now is that the 8600GT will be a low-end card DX10 card when DX10 comes out and I will have to shell out another 2 grand for another laptop just for a better GPU.

this may be wrong but someone give me comfort, T__T.

 

If the 8600gt will be a low end dx10 card it wont matter if its gddr3 or not. The gddr3 in the G1S gpu makes it faster but it doesn't put it into a whole different class than one with gddr2.

 

If you are concerned about the current performance of various systems with the games available now, then what you need is someone who would perform benchmarking using FPS rather than synthetic benchmarks. They would have to do that on different machines using specs as close as possible (same CPU, same amount of RAM, etc.) using the same resolution and the same game settings (same AA, same AF, etc.). Then you would have something to work with to judge various machines.

That's a rather tall order so I wouldn't hold my breath. But until that is done, speculations based on GDDR2 vs GDDR3 or frequencies or what-have-you are just wild guesses.

As to what will happen down the road with DX10, that's anyone's guess right now.

 

The 8600M GT is NOT a low end DX10 card by any means. The only one that is higher end is the 8700M right now (and it isn't even shipping yet, and for now only seems to be in 17" laptops), and the 8800M won't be out until this Winter...maybe.

 

He makes it sound bad only because he bought the Dell, nothing more. Let's say the Dell's 8600M GT is GDDR2, I doubt we will be hearing much from him again.

 

Heres a thread with real life performance of the 8600GS card, it seems to be pretty capable. The 8600GT will outperform this easily, I think people tend to focus way too much on benchmarks.


http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=138925

 

Oh trust me, you'll still hear from me. The only difference will be that Dell will also be in my line of fire.

 

The 8600 is a midranged card, I don't see why so many worry because it's not like you are going to be getting a high end card in a 15" anytime soon, how long was the 7000 series out before you had a 7900 in a 15"? You chose to get a 15" laptop for various reasons, and the 8600 is pretty much the highest notebook card out right now. So what would you be doing? What could you do, it's your only choice and it's your best choice. Unless you wanna wait. But I think you'd find that you're gonna be waiting a long time since there's always going to be a better card coming out 'soon'.

And you never 'have' to get anything.

 

the biggest thing I am worried about is that the 8600GT will be a low-end card when playing high-end games. I don't want my investment to go down as a ''low-end laptop'' in a year or so.

 

Well, with technology, any amount of high tech equipment always gets outdated.

For me, I realize I won't be able to play Crysis or anything at ultra high settings at 100FPS, though that'll be nice. To do that requires an enormous investment, even if possible right now. So, I am satisfied by playing "older, outdated" games like RTW or BF2, which will run perfectly fine on the laptop. Sometimes I catch myself playing Solitaire or RA2 even though those games can practically be run from any computer.

 

that's what I'm saying, it's not a lowend card. When you're buying videocards (or most things) you have to accept that in a while it will not be the best anymore.

And like I said, it's the best their is right now. If you're doubting your purchase look at yoru other options. 1)Buy a 17" (but there's probably a reason you chose to buy a 15" in the first place. 2) Wiat a couple years.

 

Unless someone is *paying* you to play games, the choice of a GPU is not an "investment". An investment is putting money in a financial vehicle that will provide future financial returns. I know, I'm pedantic...

 

hm...thanks for the relief guys, I feel better, but now the wait continues, T__T.

hm...my cousin has a pretty high-end dell inspiron e1705 if I recall, I wonder if my sager will beat that...considering that I spent about 400 dollars more then him on the sager haha.

 

assuming your cousin has the 7900GS...
im doubting that the 8600M GT will be able to be able to surpass the 7900GS but the card is able to do DX10 and you get all that graphical goodness but take a hit in frames per second. Hey and the 2090 is a heck of alot more portable than a 17 inch lappy.

 

According to Moble graphics card thread somewhere, I'll find it in a sec. The 8600GT is the highest of the performance class vedio cards. Just pointing that out.

here is the link for those of you that didn't know about the thread: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=39568

 

Osserpse is pissed. Dell's card is DDR3 but downclocked like the IFL90/Sager2090...

 

he has something around the nvidia 7600...the 7600GS or the 7300GS.

 

The 8600M should be fine for current games, as for next gen, it won't run it at high speeds at high settings for sure, but that's the paradox with newer games, you always need the best equipment to play them...and once you do, another hot next gen game comes out.

 

The 8600 is faster than the 7600, but in the great scheme of things it is meant to fit in the same spot in the family once the 8800 cards come out. As its been stated though, the 8600, 8700 max is the best you're gonna do in a 15.4" footprint.