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    So... 7970M Driver Update

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by Fwam, Oct 20, 2012.

  1. Fwam

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    Update? Such a friggin joke.
     
    Fwam, Oct 20, 2012
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    There is a hotfix it should get released but when?

    I am about to buy a new P150EM and the 7970 is at a great price point. So It looks like Ill just pull the trigger on it and hope for the best lol.
     
    thescreensavers, Oct 20, 2012
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  3. Silverfern

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    i see you have the 9300 and the 3650m, i have that too as well before i got my p150em :D
     
    Silverfern, Oct 20, 2012
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    Pull the trigger if you dare. Buyer be-friggin-ware.
     
    Fwam, Oct 20, 2012
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    :D awesome how was the upgrade lol

    Lol, scaring me into looking at the 675mx
     
    thescreensavers, Oct 20, 2012
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  6. Silverfern

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    my 675m was great but i might be upgrading to 7970m or 680m if price drops on 680m or they fix enduro
     
    Silverfern, Oct 20, 2012
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  7. Fwam

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    Well, we'll all testify that it's been a long wait... The reported gains are great, but how much longer are we to wait for this thing to perform as advertised?
     
    Fwam, Oct 20, 2012
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    lol I know! it was said to be out at the begining of october......we are approaching the end!!
     
    sssgood, Oct 20, 2012
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    amd said October, we still have ten days left.
     
    kookiesandmilf, Oct 20, 2012
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    Relax, the issues will be ironed out.
     
    misterhobbs, Oct 21, 2012
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    I used to be angry about this issue, but after the Q3 results and the layoffs, I'm just kind of... sad.
     
    TokamakH3, Oct 21, 2012
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    I've more or less just stopped caring and hoping. My system works well enough that I can play games and all that, and it appears that is all I'm going to get probably. Oh well, lesson learned and it'll be nVidia for the foreseeable future.

    Unfortunately this is pretty par for the course for me and ATi/AMD. I decide to give them another chance, and have good hardware that gets screwed over by bad software. So I go back to nVidia and stop considering Ati for awhile.

    It is sad because if they keep it up, it'll eventually be an end to them and lack of competition benefits nobody, but I buy things for what works best for me, not for charity.

    It is extremely disappointing, but as I said the system works, though not as good as it should, so I'll just deal with it.
     
    Sycraft, Oct 21, 2012
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  13. Montage

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    I think the main lesson here is not to be among the first people to buy brand new computer parts. It will be a hard thing to remember that lesson though :p
     
    Montage, Oct 21, 2012
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  14. Fwam

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    Lesson learned. I'll swear yet again not to do this ESPECIALLY with AMD. I'll break this oath within 2 years probably.
     
    Fwam, Oct 21, 2012
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    i dont see a reason to not buy AMD products after they fix the enduro problem. if they pricing is very competitive and offers great performance, why not?
     
    Silverfern, Oct 21, 2012
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  16. Fwam

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    Which is why we all continue to buy, then whine. However, the whining is justified I think. Don't over-promise and under-deliver.
     
    Fwam, Oct 21, 2012
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    I'm sorry but this sort of thinking makes absolutely no sense. The 7970m should not have been released with these sort of problems. END OF STORY. We are not the ones who need to learn a lesson. AMD does. And judging from their stock price, all the lay offs, etc., they are (hopefully). If this was something that affected more of the mainstream, there'd be recalls, compensation and legal action.
     
    hexum23, Oct 21, 2012
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  18. Wonka_Vision

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    AMD's been in trouble before, and they always get out of it. The industry needs AMD. Their stock prices are most likely the result of it being a turn over period (a new generation of hardware is coming out so people are holding off purchasing). They've also got hardware in all of the next gen consoles.

    They said to expect a fix in October, and it's still October.
     
    Wonka_Vision, Oct 21, 2012
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  19. hexum23

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    I wholeheartedly agree that the industry needs AMD. Now is probably a good time to buy their stock. Just really sucks that they released a product that wasn't ready, and the company basically stuck it to us. Since we are such a small niche market of geeks, we don't have the clout to get these problems fixed quickly. We're going on, what, 5 months of this nonsense? Yes they said there'd be a fix in October, but as consumers we weren't informed of this at time of purchase. These laptops/video cards are advertised as state of the art with the most powerful graphics, not laptops with potential to be the most powerful because of the current sketchy drivers. I can't wait for the update, this week hopefully.
     
    hexum23, Oct 21, 2012
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  20. Wonka_Vision

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    Don't get me wrong - I'm not happy with AMD over this either. The only ATi/AMD product I've ever owned that didn't give me monstrous problems was the 128mb Radeon 8500 I had back in the day. Since then I kept buying their crap and I kept getting burned. Maybe it's poor luck on my part because I've always just happened to buy a product that they gimped in some way, whereas owners of another product were getting good performance/support. I'm about ready to completely swear off AMD over this 7970M disaster, but I'm hoping they can redeem themselves with the promised October hotfix.
     
    Wonka_Vision, Oct 21, 2012
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  21. Zymphad

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    Never had an AMD product that had monstrous problems. I don't consider the Enduro monstrous right now since there isn't any game out that I worry about with even the utilization issue. And also Enduro is not broken or a problem it's awesome and it works as it should. The issue as been said many times is how the CPU (Intel) feeds instructions and info to the 7970M, that's the problem. Enduro itself is working nearly flawless on my system.
     
    Zymphad, Oct 21, 2012
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    Some one at AMD hinted that 12.10 may be a game changer for GCN performance in BF3:

    AMD Driver/Benchmark Review Thread - Page 4 - Overclockers UK Forums

    Check post #98.

    I really hope this driver comes out at 12AM, because we all have school/work tomorrow.

    It is interesting to see that 12.9 itself was huge for the desktop cards. The driver did next to nothing for the mobile series, and that further highlights how severe the current bug is.
     
    TrantaLocked, Oct 21, 2012
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  23. Hurricane9

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    It doesn't specify the year, it could be 10/22/2013!

    In all seriousness though, hopefully 12.10 helps out in BF3.
     
    Hurricane9, Oct 21, 2012
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  24. columbosoftserve

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    Lol somebody's changed their tune.
     
    columbosoftserve, Oct 22, 2012
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  25. Silverfern

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    so did driver come out?
     
    Silverfern, Oct 22, 2012
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    MacHater, Oct 22, 2012
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    Nice boost! Seeing 3-10 FPS increases for the HD 7870 in most games :D! Hopefully it translates to the mobile cards well.

    I wonder what happened to 12.10, though.
     
    TrantaLocked, Oct 22, 2012
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    I'm guessing 12.10 was never released to the public, but it was probably one of those "Enduro Hotfix" releases that were only given to certain reviewers.
     
    MacHater, Oct 22, 2012
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    Silverfern, Oct 22, 2012
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    MacHater, Oct 22, 2012
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    MacHate, are you saying 12.10 will still get released but be limited as just a mobile driver, as in the one we are waiting for?
     
    TrantaLocked, Oct 22, 2012
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  32. MacHater

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    No, I'm saying 12.10 might have been just a tester release, not a public one.

    12.11 is the public release with all the fixes in 12.10 plus more:
    Twitter / cavemanjim: New Catalyst 12.11 driver will ...
     
    MacHater, Oct 22, 2012
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    Ok, I understand now, So this is an official beta, and the WHQL will be out next month.

    Wow, look at the Crysis 1 benchmark. Oh Crysis, you silly little time traveling weasel.
     
    TrantaLocked, Oct 22, 2012
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    oh good i am thinking about upgrading the 7970m and selling my 675m
     
    Silverfern, Oct 22, 2012
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    AMD Catalyst 12.11 Performance Analysis Review | techPowerUp

    The largest average improvement out of all of the HD 7000 cards was 10% for the HD 7870.
    The 7970m is based on the HD 7870. Mind=blown.

    In the conclusion page: "...but these results are the biggest performance boosts we've ever seen through a driver update."
     
    TrantaLocked, Oct 22, 2012
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  36. MKEGuy

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    Wow... can't wait to get home from school tomorrow!!!
     
    MKEGuy, Oct 22, 2012
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    Fwam, Oct 22, 2012
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    looks good, cant wait to test this. not fussed on desktop performance increases, really all that matters to me is that they've figured out how to remove whatever bottleneck prevented our cards from running properly.
     
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    I agree with that. Soon we will see truly how this driver performs for us.
     
    TrantaLocked, Oct 22, 2012
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    lol finalllly!!!!!
     
    sssgood, Oct 22, 2012
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    Sounds like the driver team is still enthusiastic and moving forward despite the slump in the business side of things with AMD.

    I am hoping that this driver will be easy to upgrade to for us 7000m owners. I'd really like to be able to install the whole package, as if I were a desktop owner.
     
    TrantaLocked, Oct 22, 2012
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    Well if they come through with what they said they are going to, this package should be unified for 7000m card owners, correct?
     
    columbosoftserve, Oct 22, 2012
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    It's going to be a long work day. Hopefully, these drivers will finally give us the performance we paid for.
     
    Anddo24, Oct 22, 2012
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    I do hope the driver fix comes out soon and really help fix the issue. Not pouring cold water here, but the performance boost in that chart means totally nothing here to the 7970m. The problem here is not because that the 7970m is a weak card. The problem is that Enduro is not allowing the 7970m to perform as it should.

    If you are getting 20 FPS due to low utilization issue and gets a 30% boost, you are only running 26 FPS (just throwing numbers out here). As of current, the fix is more important than the boost.
     
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    bark68, Oct 22, 2012
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    Can someone explain to me how we will install these drivers? I'm assuming they do not come packaged with the intel displays. What's the order? What intel display drivers should I use?

    Thanks
     
    dasgnurgen, Oct 22, 2012
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    I'm guessing you install the Intel ones and then these, since the card is supported you probably won't have to install over an older catalyst and check only the graphic driver option.
     
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    SO anyone tested the driver yet?
     
    BBoBBo, Oct 22, 2012
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    Just tried the new beta drivers.
    Battlefield 3 runs much better no framedrops at all on medium 60fps. At ultra it runs at 30 to 50fps (caspian border 64players).
    Resident Evil 5 runs better too i think.
    Skyrim still runs the same with heavy mods at 30 fps.
    But Lineage 2 still runs like crap ranging from 60 to 15 fps.
    Can't get afterburner to work so I can't see what the gpu usage is.
     
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