Something feels off with Clevo's new DTR's

Something feels off with these Clevo launches (both the 7 and 8 series). Here's my crazy theory....

On Clevo's website, they initially had duplicates of the 7 and 8 series (DM2, DM2-G, DM3, and DM3-G). Clearly, I thought at that point, the only difference between them were G-Sync and Non-G-Sync. After a few days, the normal DM2 and DM3 variants vanished and only the DM2-G and DM3-G models remain. I thought, they eliminated the models because they weren't in demand. Then it hit me, maybe, just maybe those DM2/DM3 models were the P870DM-G with support for the Nvidia 10xx series and Clevo nixed them to force people to buy the other models. I kept that information to myself because one, I can be crazy and two, I am new to Clevo and NBR.

Clevo made enough small changes to the DM2-g/DM3-g that owners of the P870DM-G can't upgrade their MXM cards. I know a lot of information regarding the changes point to Nvidia not offering a reference board and so Clevo had to make the design themselves. Yet those changes don't appear to allow sufficient cooling. The DM3 with dual 1080's runs very hot. The cooling solution feels like a stopgap, a rush to get products to the market so they won't lose marketshare and most importantly, mindshare to MSI and other BGA makers.

Right now there is a huge mess with the panels shipping in the DM2/DM3. There are several panels that are currently shipping, shipping soon and rumored. AUO, the current supplier of panels for the high end Clevo DM2/DM3 DTR's, has even developed a 1440p 120hz that curiously Clevo isn't using....yet.

This post can amount to nothing but a crazy person trying to connect the dots. Feel free to correct me where I am wrong but I feel like a refresh is coming much sooner than later. Intel's Kaby Lake and the 200 series mobo's will offer CPU's that run cooler, which will allow the 10XX series to run a bit cooler. I wouldn't be surprised if Clevo releases a DM3.5 with a 200 series mobo, Kaby Lake, 1440p 120hz panel and improved cooling in six months.

 

Yeah I canceled the upgrade to the P870DM3 for the GSYNC panel AND I'll wait for kabylake

 

Interesting thoughts on this. I am not upgrading for at least two more years so I will just sit and watch how this one plays out.

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I am with you bro. Again, this all could be false but I have a gut feeling I'm right. The signs point to it but I hope I am wrong, at least for the sake of current DM2/DM3 owners. Now to convince my brother NOT to buy now.

 

Trust me G-Sync with 2 x 1080's @ FHD 120Hz is not worth the hassle.

 

I am going to hold serve as well guys. I appreciate your perspective rage set...as your thought process is conceivable. I'm going to see how this plays out as the gtx 1080 looks like another 880M with the heat they generate. Looking at the specs of the kaby lake it doesn't look like it will over clock as well as the 6700K But since it will run cooler it may help with cooling of the Gtx 1080 in the DM3 With its vapor cooling design.

 

The reason I don't wanna upgrade even when the new screen comes is I'm not liking the high temps of the 1080 GTX in the machine , doesn't look promising

 

Very important point. What are the ambient temps like for you? Since i feel that, those will make a lot of difference.

 

23C air conditioned room, I thought those Pascal GPUs were supposed to run cooler but HEH

 

I looks although it's a case of Clevo Copper lottery.. again..
They needed to address the QC issue from last DM and they didn't.
GPU's at 90 is unacceptable. Even if the GPU's are designed that way (which I don't believe..'get out of here with that nonsense') the other important components get exposed to that same heat.
I'm uncomfortable with hitting 80's for extended sessions let alone 90's.

 

Why are you waiting for Kaby Lake? Really seems underwhelming, most of the improvement is just because its clocked higher, the IPC is like 2% higher.

 

I'm going into it with an open mind. There is always the potential for issues. Seemed to me that some current owners got their temps under control with ICD and not CLU. I'd rather mess around for a few months than wait. Think I'll only be irritated if the 1440p 120Hz display cant be swapped in, but that will in no way compare to how annoyed I was that the GPUs on my DM1 couldnt be upgraded.

 

I like your mindset. That's very true about the 1440p 120hz display and I know some owners will go that route. Kaby Lake isn't a big deal considering that Cannonlake will bring the mass improvements we're looking for. But I would be disappointed if all those things came together with a new 200 series mobo and much improved cooling.

 

This could just be a case of getting lucky but my p775dm3 with a 6700k and 1080 was hot as hell to begin with but i have since found the fan control in the control panel and set my fans to 80% and i turned on vsynce which locks it at 75hz. The gpu ranges from 64c to 72c even at high ultilization. The cpu can get a bit toasty but i undervolted and it stay right at 75c under load. Full fan speed is not unbearably loud and keeps everything pretty cool. I think a 4k setup like this is a bad option as its bound to drive temps up due to gpu load but im just not a big fan of mobile 4k gaming. I want a better heatsink but so far after working out the kinks i am much happier with my machine.

 

waiting for kabylake here as well. just havent decided on whether to go for 750DMx or precision 5510 update.

all i care about is kabylake at 4ghz and 32GB ram to run vms.

skylake is probably the worst intel launch ever. i dont recall so many firmware updates from all the manufacturers ever for any of the previous intel chipset / procs.

hopefully, kabylake's native usb-c / tb3 wont have these issues

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't they have a higher TDP than Maxwell? Either way, yeah, they run super hot. My desktop EVGA GTX 1070 ACX 3.0 gets to maybe 60c when gaming, undervolted 980m @ 0.9v gets to maybe 60c when gaming (same for 970m). I wonder what undervolted Pascal GPUs would run like in laptops.

Slightly more on-topic: The honest truth is there's always going to be newer and better technology coming out. If you want the latest and greatest, you're always going to be waiting because there's always going to be newer stuff coming out. Then again, if you can live with what you have, it's very advisable to wait as long as possible and then get an even better upgrade in the long run.

 

Anyone who cared to glance at the desktop chips knew exactly how this was going to go.

People really don't seem to get just how much of a step up this is compared to 980m sli to 1080 sli.

Turbo boost 3.0 pushes the card up to a power or thermal limit, whichever it hits first.

 

Agreed there Meaker, 1080 is a total beast... I have an Asus Strix 1080 and this Turbo boost thing pushes it to the limit.. Even with high fans, my desktop was struggling to keep the 1080 under 80C in BF1..I don't want to imagine how much of a struggle it would be for 2 1080s in the DM3

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They just cleaned out the duplicate models to simplify the line-up:

P870DM2 & P870DM2-G
P870DM3 & P870DM3-G
P775DM2 & P775DM2-G
P775DM3 & P775DM3-G
P75xDM2 & P75xDM2-G
P6...

They are all the same models except for a variant with and without g-sync.

 

The numbering system only seems to apply to US-based resellers, I have not seen (thus far) an EU-based reseller distinguish between DM3 and DM3-G for example.

The models with g-sync probably come with the G-Sync enabled GPUs since the lone 4k screen isn't certified while the 120Hz 1080p screens which will support G-Sync are still in the pipeline.

 

Those names are up to them so some are less clear than others.

 

4K AUO is g-sync certified

 

Same argument I was having with Phoenix and Rage Set on the other thread.

Two EU retailers say the 4k AUO screen isn't g-sync compatible. Maybe something changed over the last few days.

 

Did you contact the three resellers in the US about G-Sync in 4K panels? I thought we covered how this is available thru those resellers. Its like you're purposely refusing to listen.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...displays-gorgeous.795452/page-8#post-10333089

http://forum.notebookreview.com/posts/10333114/r

 

Either I'm not listening or everyone here isn't quite getting the point I'm trying to convey.

There is only one 4k screen available for the DM3. It's made by AUO, I've quoted the model number in previous replies.

The issue is, this same screen goes to resellers all over the world. This is where it gets confusing for me.
All of the US customers here berating me for my ignorance and pig-headedness claim the 4k AUO screen is g-sync compatible/certified.
I've talked to EU resellers who say it isn't.
Same make and model of screen, no differences from what I can tell.

So, do the US resellers have some kind of special arrangement or priority that allows them to claim their 4k screens are g-sync compatible? That might explain the situation with EU resellers who don't have this privilege. Either that, or something changed between the posts made a few days ago and today.

Not to mention the screen in question was also used for the preceding model DM and a forum search shows other users (not the ones involved in this argument) claiming the screen (same model and company) isn't G-Sync compatible.

 

The heavy weights have even chimed in.

So, I get it, you want first hand proof. However, I'm not their salesperson, and I don't feel the effort is worth it to prove a point. if you want to find out for certain, you should contact one or all of those resellers.

If the panel is the same, it could be as simple as the shipment of Clevos in the US all have G-sync GPUs and European resellers do not. However you'll never get that first hand knowledge people unless you reach out and remove that barrier.

 

I can't buy anything from a US reseller, so any enquiries I would make wouldn't make a difference either way.

Based on what I now understand about the technology (which you helped me with in another thread), it's either a case of the GPUs being shipped with the feature (most likely explanation) or the screens getting special treatment when they're in the US allowing them to be certified. It's most likely the former since notebook G-Sync technology doesn't require a special adapter that the external screens required last year during debut.

If the US-based customers say they're getting what's been advertised, good for them even if it's absolutely irrelevant for me. My primary concern is figuring out what I'm going to be getting after my own order is placed.

 

No special arrangement but the technical skill and knowledge of exactly needs what for gsync is different.

 

So the US resellers put the screens through the Nvidia screening process after doing the necessary installation work and get the certification allowing them to advertise compatibility on their retail pages without being sued for false advertising.

That's an explanation I can accept.

 

Great to hear! Glad the matter seems settled.

Until European resellers get G-sync GPUs or resolve whatever the problem may be, everyone should refer near future posts without a qualifier to systems outside of the US, regarding the P870DM2/P870DM3 not having g-sync 4K panels back to GS thread.

 

No, some resellers just don't know what they are talking about they may use that panel with non g-sync enabled cards.

 

Thx for the confirmation