Speculated 500m series and 6990m this June

The new 500m series (560,570,580) and the radeon mobility 6990m have been speculated for a while now. I was wondering if they would be releasing at E3 (June 7th-9th) and any other information on them that you guys might know (i know that resellers/retailers are under NDA). Do you guys think laptops will begin shipping with them right after E3, the costs for them, and any other information about them please post. Thanks!

 

Clevo isn't like Alienware and company, where they launch things at gaming events.

If we're going to see anything, it will be at Computex later this month. Just hang on until then.

 

Well one guy here does own an ES 6970m with 1120 SPs.

 

Except that because this was an ES card, odds are that he just got lucky and that this card passed validation at the factory with more cores than the rest. Most CPU/GPU parts are typically designed for a certain high end part then rebinned as lower parts depending on whether it can meet the rated specs (which means cores may be disabled or downclocked).

 

That ES was an anomaly.

And mobile GPUs aren't "announced" at gaming events. These are niche GPUs, which will have zero market penetration, because of their prices and energy consumption.

The higher-end 570M, 580M, and Broadway XTX will be silently added to product lines, with very little press.

 

i could guess Nvidia's move to add 500 series to their range, but 6990
are you serious? i mean what it's going to be like, not a double chip, right?

 

No, the 6990 is just the full barts core with 1120 stream processors unlocked. It is not the same as the 6990 desktop similar to how the other mobility cards are not the same as their desktop equivalents. This is all still speculation, but probably correct.

 

thanks, that's still sounds great, hope to see it in June/July. It's a fun move to present the most hottest video cards on the planet during the hottest part of the year The battle should be pretty exciting, hope ATI would stick to their old price tag making 6970 little cheaper and Nvidia would make 500 series line much more affordable! We'll see how it goes

 

Well, at One.de they will sell the P170HM with the GTX 560m at June 10th...
One Gaming Notebook G90 GTX 560 by: One - ONE Computer Shop

 

Shoot, I just placed an order for 6970, and than this news
guess there's always something new around the corner...

 

6990M is just rumors, nothing solid.
The 560M is no better than the 6970M.
The 580M is a tad better than the 485M I think.

Really guys, until the 28nm process starts tapping out there is nothing to look forward to, enjoy what you have now or buy with confidence.

All of the next best things will only become available in January 2012.

 

Good to hear that the new offerings won't massively crush their reigning predecessors, looks like the 6970m and 485m will hold onto their crowns for at least the next half year.

 

Look at how quietly the 560M came out. Unless done at a trade show, you can expect to just see them show up with the only fanfare likely being from the vendor suddenly having them available.

 

Can any resellers divulge approximately when the nVidia 5xxm NDA expires? Y'all teased us pretty hard before the midnight Sandy Bridge announcement back in January.

I've sat on the sidelines for 6 months with cash in hand, and I'm anxious to retire my G72gx!

 

i decided to wait till 2012 as well, so much improvments in tech aspect. i can only dream about 28nm GPU OC abilities sli/cf of those cards alongside with Sandy Bridge-E in x7200 or it's refreshed future model, oh...

 

Jan 2012 would have to be 28nm Fermi chips that will only give another 10-20% boost.

The huge leap will be the Kepler based chips - that big 4x gain that nVidia promised. If desktop Keplers aren't due until late 2011, they wont get a mobile chip out for another 6 months (prob late May 2012).

 

core batch
n10e: 200m series
n11e-gs: gtx460m
n11e-gts: gtx470m
n11e-gtx1: gtx285m
n11e-gtx: gtx480m
n12e-gs: gtx560m
n12e-gts: gtx570m(i guess)
n12e-gtx: gtx485m
so im wondering the code name gtx580m of will be n13e-gtx1?

 

There was much discussion about the Nvidia refreshes a month and half back.
June seemed so far away then!

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/567122-im-indecision-land-2.html#post7331166 http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/567122-im-indecision-land-4.html#post7335686 This was info at that time from Kevin_Jack2.0. (Thanks to him again)

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/567122-im-indecision-land-3.html#post7333470 <--- My summary (at that time) on "to wait or not to wait". My 8150 is RMAing to the US and wont be back for 30 days + I got to play/use the laptop for just 10 days before RMAing = I seriously wish i could have just waited till JUNE for the 580M. Sigh!

And Finally, there is always solid news from DGDXGDG ( http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/567632-485m-vs-6970m-4.html#post7341482) he's one to watch!

 

DGDXGDG IS the one to watch! I search his posts weekly for the latest rumors.

Unless Broadway XTX can beat the 580m by more than 15%, I'll stick with nVidia (I've made lots of $$$ off nVidia stock over the past 10 years).

My other reason for supporting nVidia is the PhysX support. I've been out of the computer gaming/hardware loop for the past 18 months due to work and school so I'm not sure what AMD/ATI is doing recently with Havok/OpenCL? Is Physics support still a differentiator between nVidia/AMD?

 

Next GTX 560M score (CPU - i7-2630QM).

3DMark06 1024x768 -> 17106 pts.

 

I am loathe to speak of anything PhysX here. There had been a lot of debate over whether one should go with the 485M or the 6970M, during the first few days that the resellers put up the AMD GPU. Here is that old thread: http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...-switch-out-my-485m-6970m-13.html#post7358403 The discussion very quickly became a debate about PhysX.

The stand on the issue is still the same; PhysX is the difference and so also is the 3D dvi out availability on the 8150/8170 w 485M. More games are joining up with PhysX but the list is still too few. Games yet to come with PhysX support are AmericanMcgee's Alice Madness Returns, DeusEX HR and any future game with UnrealEngine3 (if the devs choose to utilize it).

If you don't care for PhysX/3D, save that hardearned money and go for the 6970M or wait for the 6990M. Or if you care for these features wait some more for the 580M. Whatever the card, everyone so far is a happy customer.

 

Within the first two weeks of June.

If the 40nm 6970M and 485M brought a 40% boost over the previous leaders, do you really think a significant die shrink will bring such a miniscule boost? That's impossible.

We will be looking at numbers like 65%.

 

You just pulled that number out of the air, didn't you?

 

Technology forecasting is part of what I do. We like to call it "educated conjecture", instead of guessing.

That was supposed to be 65%, so I edited the post.

 

47.3% of all statistics are made up.

 

Yep and 7 out of 3 people can't do fractions...wait. I have that full barts 6970m with 1120 shaders and I don't plan on parting with it anytime soon. To be honest, any GPU that can pull more than 11k GPU score on vantage on stock is frankly overkill. Keeping to the bleeding edge is fun, but not if it bleeds you of your money for a minimal real world gain.

 

No, it's 96.7%...

 

no......besides physx/3d vision, recent amd driver is no good
remember black ops? the spark cant be seen under amd cards at highest setting for some catalyst, dont know if its a bug or they reduce the quality to improve performance.


hope i have both system so can compare not performance but highest quality they can show

 

In the end, the proof is in the product. I'll have no issue with admitting I was wrong, if it turns out that way.

Interesting. Did you get it from 'ichime', or did you luck out with your own ES?

Also, can it handle higher clocks, than the average 6970M?

 

but...they're not even the same explosion!

 

Yes I got it from ichime. I'm still testing it at the moment. But I have it in the M15x which is quite a power deprived machine coupled with the i7 XM. ichime managed to take it to 825/1075 which apparently was the limit so some 6970m's do go higher. I'm pushing it up nice and slow and I'm at 760/970 atm. Was crashing a lot but did a repaste with new pads and so far everything seems ok. Benchmark attached:

 

Kevin, I was going to dispute your 65% number, but after analyzing the release dates, I agree with you...
1. Historically, AMD/NVIDIA only shrink the die between "generational" releases (ie: Broadway to Blackcomb (AMD) and Tesla to Fermi (NVIDIA))
2. I thought mobile chips were released approximately 6 months apart, but the Fermi desktop cards launched in March 2010 followed by Fermi mobile chips in late May 2010 so it's reasonable to assume if Kepler desktop chips are still on target for "2nd Half 2011" that mobile Kepler chips will arrive in January 2012.

So the 580M will probably be a meager 7% performance boost (similar to the 460M to 560M) - I don't think you can reference the 480M to 485M performance boost (26%) because NVIDIA screwed consumers with a shoddy 480M as successor to the 280m/285m. The spiritual successor to the 280M/285M was the 485M that offered a 50% performance boost. Reference: www.notebookcheck.net

The next big question - Is the Kepler release still on target? Or is NVIDIA distracted with their booming (Tegra) mobile device chips?

Thanks for taking the time to respond.

 

WOW. There is a stark difference. You mentioned once before that AMD cheats on drivers. http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...-switch-out-my-485m-6970m-15.html#post7362044

Edit: are these tests you did you yourself or are these from another source. Could you link me?

 

How long do you think the MXM standard will last?

I have always been hoping that maybe 2 years from now, they will release a powerful card that runs cool with lower power consumption that I could swap the 460M for. Right now the options for swapping require new heatinks and power supplies and for myself, aren't really neccessary yet.

That said, it's more likely I'd sell this laptop by then and instead buy a new gaming laptop that actually had Optimus or quick sync activated so it had some decent battery life.

 

The 560M will be on the Sager site 06/01/11. The day after the NDA ends.

Can't confirm if any other products will be out.

 

its simple, search on youtube or something, guys upload their gameplay and mention their system and graphic setting......
like these
YouTube - ‪Call Of Duty Black Ops - S.O.G. 1-2 [MAXED OUT] HD 5770 DX 11‬&rlm;
YouTube - ‪Call of Duty - Black Ops - S.O.G (1/1) (HD)‬&rlm;

 

btw broadway xtx??? isnt broadway old hd5000m?
maybe this card?......it based on desktop hd5870 cypress core, while 5870m based on desktop hd5770 juniper core

i doubt the launch of it will take down 480m last year

 

Jesus! Look at the size of that die! Did this card not launch or something? Is it the mobility 5970?

 

Before the 5870M we have came out, it was supposed to be based from a core more powerful than the (5700) Juniper chip we ended up getting. That's probably a leaked picture of it.

6900M has always been the only core known as Broadway.

6970M = XT, 6950M = PRO. So XTX is clearly something with higher specs than the 6970M. I don't see AMD jumping back to a 5800 core, when the 6800 is more efficient and suited for the mobile scene.

The 6870 core is not really the only possibility. The 6950 has a TDP of 140W, so there's an outside chance that AMD attempts to use that.

 

So I guess I have the XTX?

 

Despite 6990M guys the 6970M is a great card dont just down it now because a newer thing comes out guys the 6970M will last you a long time and even if you need another just upgrade your kobalt/clevo/sager laptop to 6990M etc ?

 

^^ I agree, unless you want like 8xaa on 1080p which is useless, the 6970m is a nice card. I haven't heard any complaints from people owners who have them, Clevo or Alienware. It can easily hit 485m levels with a mild overclock and way surpass it with a more aggressive one. Plus pricing makes it much more desirable. Kobalt price it only £43 more than the 460m!

 

Well I'd hope not, it's already been released. Technology should always be improving, not staying the same!

People used to say the same thing about the 8xxx series of Nvidia back in the day, and it's only gotten much better since. (heck, people said the same thing about the original voodoo video cards were out, what seems like eons ago in the computer world)

 

That jump with the 8800GTX was the best I've seen! I loved that card, props to Nvidia for back then. Unfortunately, we've only seen small increases since then, and then ATI caught up. So boo to Nvidia since then and props to ATI/AMD now.

I'm an Nvidia fan, but props to who deserves it . I'm liking my 6970m so far.

 

Would have been cool if they used that Cypress core for a mobile GPU variant. And a Cayman Pro die (6950) is very possible seeing as the 6950 consumes less power than the GTX 560Ti in which the GTX 485M is based off of...

But I have a feeling that Blackcomb XTX is most likely a 1120 shader Barts die.

 

I always suspected GTX 485M was already using the GT114 die.

Someone posted a pic of the back of that card in your other thread. It's hard to read but the green label possibly identifies that card as Lexington....the top end HD5000M part we never saw produced.

 

Lol. It's old piece of s... for Asus:
ATI 216-0768000 Video Card 256MB...USD 127.92/Piece Wholesale Price at DHgate.com
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me too, though open the 485ms bios with notepad it shows gf104

?0 IBM VGA Compatible
€ tU09/20/10 @ m襹╞z* ? ?鴛 @ ? €R>??H?HPMIDl o ? ? ? ? 3 GF104 P1044 SKU 11 VGA BIOS

the early 485m batch is around 1033~1035, and my 485m both 1047
and gtx560ti early benching/reviewing card is 1045(it means 2010 45week)


lexington......but i doubt that card is firepro or something mobile workstations, cuz there is no space of crossfire port can be put on
btw my point is hd6900m is blackcomb xt, so 6990m? should call blackcomb xtx right?

 

Those are at two different scenes irrelevant comparison in pic

 

I wonder how much more a 6990m (or 1120 stream unit unlocked 6970m) will cost vs the 6970m?