Successor of X8100- P180HM

i meant clevo my mistake. sager just branding clevo makes the parts

 

good，next sli-gpu machine must be this one

my 860cu in office , and a 18' in home , not to carry a clevo book on the road .

but I wonder if 2012 q1 there's another type of clevo

I'll buy a sli-gpu machine in the next year

 

Question about panels:
In another forum I've read that ONE Computer, who also sells Clevos, is known for using cheap panels... My question: Are there many different panels suitable for P180HM? If there are many of them, I guess it would it be a good idea to write a mail to each shop and ask them what concrete panel model they are using? Or can I take it for granted that in particular mysn and PCSystems-EvolutionX do use the best available panels? Remark: a good panel is important to me and I wouldn't mind paying some € more if some particular shop uses better panels than other shops.

 

I don´t know, I think the best would be to email the resellers and ask about it. Maybe they will make you an offer if they don´t have the "best" panel for you in the standard order form...

 

You are wrong here. Check this out:
Mobile Workstation, Portable Desktop PC, Portable Server, Intel Core i7, Dual Intel Xeon - Radius EX

 

Thats a desktop

Or a desktop with a UPS hehe.

 

Can I get backback straps built into that?

On second thought, I think I would rather go back to 15k ruck marches than carry that thing around.

 

some internal pics
gpu heatsink just like x8100/m980nu which rated 75w tdp......thats why clevo wont officially equip 485m/580m/6970m/6990m

 

I emailed mysn and PCSystems-EvolutionX this morning and got a response very quickly

• First, concerning delivery date: PCSystems-EvolutionX says that they are going to receive the barebones by the end of this week and that they plan start selling them by next Monday. Mysn couldn't tell me a concrete date yet, but they expect to start shippment in about two weeks.
• Second, concerning the panel: Both said that they have just one 18" panel model since they order the barebones plus the panels from Clevo and Clevo doesn't distribute any other 18" models. OK, I guess I have to settle for this one panel then and hope that it is a good one.

 

Update:
mysn and Deviltech will be delivering the new intel processors (i7-2760QM, i7-2860QM, etc) very soon , so I'll wait a while before ordering the P180HM.

I am getting contradictory answers from reselllers about the ExpessCard Slot:
- EvolutionX has answered my mail with a " definitively it does NOT have an ExpressCard Slot "
- mysn has answered my mail with a "yes, it has an ExpressCard Slot"

Both resellers seem to be very sure about their answers. Therefore I wonder: Is it possible that there are two different versions of the P180HM, i.e., one version with ExpressCard and another version without?

I believe the old X8100 was available in two versions: One version with two USB 3.0 slots but no ExpressCard slot and another version without USB 3.0 but with ExpressCard slot. Is this correct? If yes: maybe there are indeed different versions from P180HM?

 

Looking at that cooling system feels just like pr0n.

 

According to the pics there is an expresscard 54/34 slot, and it also says so in the user manual here

 

Hi Klaus, it's possible there are different revisions or optional extras; for example I believe some chassis have different webcams within the same model, and IIRC some X7200s have HDMI in whereas others don't.

On the subject of the X8100 though, I had the version without USB3.0, and currently have the USB3.0 revision and I don't remember either having an express card slot... I could be wrong but I seem to remember the space where the USB3.0s are now being empty!

RE: The cooling on the new P180HM... looks the same as the X8100's to me TBH, I'm not noticing much of a change from what I saw in my X8100 last I poked my head in it

 

the cooling on the x8100 IS NOT the same at all, the gpu's have 2 canals leading to the heatsink, i'm presuming the fans will be much faster since i've compared the m980nu to the x8100, the cpu heatsink is also changed as well. with the known heat issues in the x8100 series and m980nu i wouldn't be surprised if clevo finally took that into consideration. Waiting on official release of this.

 

Hmmm, looking back again as it has been a while, the curve has changed on the CPU heatsink, although doesnt really look to be a massive difference in terms of size, although the heatpipes do cover more of the CPU plate.

I've not been taking the GPU fans off for a very long time, so honestly can't remember the layout there.

 

Hmmm, in another forum a guy wrote that he owns a X8100 which has an ExpressCard slot. He actually posted a picture from his X8100: left view of X8100 . On that picture the ExpressCard slot is located above the DVD drive just on the right of the card reader. I guess that on your current X8100 this spot is used for the USB 3.0 slots? And on your first X8100 this spot was completely empty?

I am beginning to think that the same applies to the P180HM...

On the picture which is contained in the P180HM users manual the connections look as follows:



I.e.: The ExpressCard slot is not anymore on the left side (above the DVD drive like it used to be in older models) but now it is on the right side (#13 in the picture).

HOWEVER: On this picture: http://download.bto.eu/Marketing/pictures/XBOOK_18CL36/18CL36_BACK_COVER_OPEN.jpg (taken from the site of the dutch reseller BTO Notebooks ) there is just nothing on the spot #13. BUT on this other picture: http://www.one.de/shop/productinfo/artbild/5731_3.jpg (taken from the site of the German reseller ONE Computer ) there is an ExpressCard slot on spot #13, i.e. it looks exactly like the picture from the manual.

So I guess the conclusion is that there are indeed different revisions of P180HM?

 

yes there are different revisions, the x8100 had 3 revisions maybe even more

 

To make things more complicated here is the P180HM from a French reseller: The French P180HM. In this revision the ExpressCard Slot is on the left side and additionally there is a HDMI input

So now in total I've found 3 different revisions of the P180HM: One without ExpressCard, one with E.C. on the right side and one with E.C on the left side plus HDMI input. This is quite confusing

I guess each reseller just offers one of these 3 (or more?) revisions

 

thats not the p180hm, thats the x8100 with out the usb 3.0 slots, there aren't many pictures of the p180hm as of yet, as far as i know this month is when it will be released "officially"

 

Update #1:
I emailed mysn inquiring about the issue of different revisions and they replied confirming that there are indeed different revisions of P180HM and that they have ordered the revision with ExpressCard slot. The barebones have not arrived at mysn yet, but they expect them to arrive this or next week.

Update #2:
mysn will be selling the P180HM with new Intel processors i7-2760QM, i7-2860QM and i7-2960XM as soon as the barebones do arrive.

Yes, it looks like the French reseller has got the wrong pictures on his site

But the pictures from the German reseller ONE look OK to me. Certainly they match 100% the picture out of the Clevo users manual which I've posted yesterday.

 

Any update regarding an U.S ETA? I see it's available to pre-order in some European reseller sites. So this is the only confirmed Clevo laptop with SB and SLI/Crossfire setup, right? GTX 560M feels kinda weak for high-end Clevo!

Thank you

 

I guess for gaming people GTX 560M SLI feels kinda weak, thus gamers will probably choose a 17" Clevo with a more powerful GPU. For me personally (not a gamer) GTX 560M is certainly more than enough. Actually I would go for a smaller GPU to save some $, but this is not possible because the P180HM is not sold with any othe GPU.

 

At this moment no word from Sager, the largest Clevo importer in the world.
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Stay tuned..... Maybe see something up very soon.

EDIT: Up for order now

 

So it's officially out on Sager's website: NP8180, looks pretty decent!

Sadly it doesn't make lot competition in the 18.4" laptop range without hi-end GPU's, but the price is acceptable though. I wonder what kind of panel do they use in this refreshed model?

 

There always seems to be a trade-off between models and manufacturers. You can get one feature that you want but have to sacrifice another.

 

So this is still the HM67?
Ivy Bridge CPU future proof?

Also what is the resolution of the Webcam?

Edit: found it 2mp ( http://www.clevo.com.tw/en/products/prodinfo_2.asp?productid=358)

Express card slot is back and the bluetooth`s module own internal place also returned...that`s nice.

THX

 

can any reseller test and see if this motherboard's bios detects a 485m/580m or 6970m/6990m in bios.

 

More precise: There's a revision of P180HM which has an ExpressCard slot. But there's another revision of P180HM which does not have an ExpressCard slot.

 

single cards in this laptop should definitely work, the question multi gpu enabling

a x7200 handles a 130watt cpu and 2 100 watt rated cards which = 330 watt excess to the normal 300 watt psu it runs

a p180hm with a 45watt plus 2 100 watt rated cards = 245 excess to the normal psu is 220 watts (didn't include 55watt sb)

Not counting the lcd panel used(they have different voltage variances not that much though)

my concern is the bios support for these cards and i undoubtedly see them running 485m/580m with out a hitch, however overclocking might be limited AND i forsee a y-adapter that may be necessary to be used like x7200 has, for 2 psu's since on battery you get down clocked massively anyway(though i don't know how efficient clevos current power adapters are)

hope bios hacking aint only solution

 

TDP =/= Power consumption

 

What Is Thermal Design Power? [Technology Explained]

yea power consumption, what i stated

 

You are listing off TDP numbers. . . 45/55W are the TDP of SNB processors.

Look here, the 2500K and 2600K are both 95W TDP parts, yet under load they consume as much as 129 and 144 watts respectively.

 

how can you compare desktops to notebooks first of all, when notebooks are all about power consumption in mind, and desktop motherboards differ significantly then a laptop motherboard, yes i am going of the TDP because even the x7200 follows the same concept on paper, if the core i7 exceeds it's tdp in the x7200 then 300 watt brick wouldn't cut it.

i'm going basically off the general numbers given by the components, same as the x7200 does. and if i recall there have been tests off the wall which showed the laptop's seem well within there suggested power consumption. this is a theoretical conclusion based of the paper, obviously, but i for one do not doubt that the system can handle this, it's the bios support i'm wondering about.

edit: i also believe in another thread somebody stated you wont find a +12v rail on a notebook, never got answer for that though since i was looking for a software voltage reading.

 

You don't understand the definition of TDP. That's why we're arguing about two different things, values.

From your link:

Your processor does release "electricity" into the air, it releases heat. TDP is a relative measure of "how much heat" your processor will output at full load. They are usually generous numbers to safeguard the companies from false claims if understated.


TDP has little correlation with power consumption, besides the fact that higher TDP seems to relate positively to higher power consumption (exactly what you quoted in your text, just lower/lower). But what is the ratio of TDP owerCons? Depends on the architecture of the CPU. The architectures are strikingly similar for desktop SNB vs notebook, but it is not correct to use TDP as a measure of power consumption, because they are not the same numbers.

 

i was NOT referring about the heat, i think we do have some miss understanding, you think i'm speaking about the heat it can dissipate, i'm talking purely theoretical based of there GIVEN numbers and of another machine's theoretical numbers with the power adapter it uses(x7200)

care to post some numbers of what a SB mobile REALLY consumes(do it with 3-4 different laptop models), because as i stated we're going off the official TDP given by the manufacture itself, your claim still doesn't disprove the x7200 running a 300 watt brick, if that was the case and say it went up into 160watt of power consumption, it then would indicate 1 thing, mobile components are designed much better then desktop components in power consumption(i.e. mobile gpu motherboard).

please post some figures...

edit: fyi no power supply i've ever seen can supplement 100% efficiency, desktop/laptop

 

Here you go

Scroll down to the last picture. Read a little bit of the bottom sections in the article. At full load, a 55W TDP processor (2920xm) consumes 106 watts, just by itself. A 45W TDP processor (2630QM) consumes 82 Watts.

I'm not trying to fool you. You are using TDP numbers as power consumption numbers. They are not. TDP is a measure of heat dissipation, power consumption is how much power is drawn from your outlet.

Therefore, at full load:

A 45W TDP SNB mobile: 82 W power
A 55W TDP SNB mobile: 106 W power

This would perfectly explain WHY the x7200 needs the additional power adapter. With a DESKTOP CPU inside (990x 6core extreme no less) at full load 130W TDP, , can pull up to 231 Watts!

Here's another quote from your article:

 

the x7200 requires dual power supply for the 990x Nothing else, and even some people state it doesn't really need it. also what about the motherboard, the motherboard consumes power as well, that's what i'm not comparing, as i stated i was just going by theoretical numbers of the processor alone, and we'll never really know how much it produces, with out all those system components(systems vary) unless we test different boards, THE LCD being one of them, so your going to tell me none of that add's the difference, i get what your getting at in terms of ACTUAL power consumption, but in notebooks everything is connected, your saying lcd motherboard, ram hard-drives aint going to show no power increase they will.

 

Umm, no actually, I'm not going to. Notice my post to you, "TDP =/= power consumption". The only thing I've ever said was that its a almost a crime to use TDP as a measure of power consumption.

I find it very hard to believe they somehow found that a whole system (All the works, LCD, HDD, VGA [485m GTX], whatever you said) was only 106 Watts. I think they found ways to isolate the numbers. That was a review of SNB mobile processors anyway, so I'm pretty darn sure they found ways to just measure the board+CPU or just the CPU. Referring to the NBC link.

 

yes you stated for me to not mix up heat dissipation with power consumption, i have not, i was merely comparing 2 SYSTEMS, based of there RATED TDP(which isn't accurate off course) power supplys, 1 has 300 watt another has 220 watt each power supply currently doesn't reproduce 100% efficiency

i'm not aware of a laptop with that config running 120w, they run 180w supply's if i'm not mistaken, and your finding it hard to believe still doesn't give real numbers, again as stated these systems components need to be really tested in various models, no documentation like this exists, my 485m's in my x8100 both ran but i was not able to enable sli, i could only set 1 as phsyx and another as dedicated, same power supply, power consumption design as the core i7 1

edit:i just looked up the p1850 model and you are right it does use 120watt, that's a hell of a increase going from 15" to 17" dont you think

 

The 15'' with a 120W adapter runs not XM version and only a 560M GTX. A 180W is required for the XM / 580M.

The 120W was for the 2920XM system at full load add the 485M at full and you might exceed the 180W. I'm talking furmark/orthos burn testing.

 

ok so then i stand corrected on the 180w statement, anyways, until we can literally conduct tests of each component on multitude of laptop models, who's to say for certain, as for the 485m/580m/6970m/6990m, i have no doubt they will work in the p180hm, i hope the bios supports the cards, other wise bios modding will be needed. furmark isn't very reliable and should be used for desktops, since it seriously strains a system beyond any reasonable point of average use or hardcore use in software, i'm done on the matter

 

Pretty much, I agree. Until we can get real numbers it's impossible to say anything other than speculation.

 

Does anybody knows something about Malibal policy for Europe waranty? Or if those German sites which are selling P180HM have warning outside Germany?

Thank you

 

In case of my reseller mysn:

So, yes, they have a world wide warranty, but you have to send the notebook to Germany to get it repaired.

 

Hi, we PM'd you some info on our European Warranty. Please reply to that PM if you have any further questions, thanks!