T9500 (es)

So,
I was wondering if there are any problems with (ES) proccesors. I am considering buying one because its fairly cheap to upgrade from my current proccesor.

I want this communities thoughts, anyone else succesfully using a ES proccesor?

 

I was under the impression that companies were not allowed to sell ES chips.

 

Its not a company... ebay sale... aside from any legal ramifications/no warranties are there issues with it?

 

technically they are not.. es chips are fine. i own many of them. you will not have a issue just remember there is no warranty from intel and they "could" have errata at some point. prob you will never see it under normal use though. im going to write that up for you as soon as i calm down some man.. im still a bit crazy right now over the whole deal.. im only on here to keep myself calm right now.. i told you the deal in pm

 

Yes theres been lots of success storys especially with x9000's

Engineering samples were only supposed to be for Intel's internal use and given to reviewers. These chips do not come with warranty (the seller might offer you warranty, but he will probably just replace it with another ES chip).

Also the revisions/stepping on these chips are on the early stages of the chip

 

that a good thing or bad thing?
bad side effects may include? good side effects may be?

 

for the price you paid dont worry about it imo seriously

 

Well I mean I know its "cheap" to most people @ $290 shipped, but thats still pretty expensive to me tbh, I wanta make sure it works and stuff

 

buy it.. you will be fine

 

I belongs to the minority group.

 

at least were not alone lol

 

i use es chips all the time. they are fine.. trust me.. i will have a montevina es chip here soon actually waiting for something to put it in..i bought it a few weeks back but they were using it for some testing still..

 

/me trusts Zfactor

 

Another group member here

 

So heres the CPU-Z for the T9500 (ES)

Does that all look ok???

 

All looks fine, I have been using an ES x9000 for months

 

Well. it´s still B1 stepping, try to get a C0 one, should be better than this.

 

Out of interest, what is the difference between the different stepping values?

 

all the es 9500's i have seen and played with were b1's.. he may not be able to get c0. the b1 will be fine though..

 

There are. Q9WW is C0 stepping.

 

whats the difference?

 

Maybe some bugfix, and cooler also. Early steppings performance sometimes hotter than retails.

 

mmmmmmmmmmmmmm ok.

 

Why not buy a t9300 for like 10 bucks more off of newegg and overclock it to make up for the .1 gHz (not that you would see the difference anyway ) The added stability of non-es is worth it IMO. The only es's I would consider getting are extremes (prolly put a quad core extreme in my future m860tu )

 

Why buy a slower proccesor for 10 bucks more?

 

Its non-es, and guarenteed stable?

 

I dont think anything is "gauranteed" stable... + whats wrong with ES, everyone else says its fine.

 

Id go with T9300 from newegg if its only $10 extra. The only difference is 100mhz.

 

I dont think I wanna pay more for less... tbh.

and its $30 ish more

 

You can even overclock to make up the .1 ghz difference! IMO, I would only buy extreme ES processors.

 

why only extreme

 

Because theyre "extreme"-ly priced

 

hehehehe.... Well I have sorta had my heart set on a T9500 for a while, but retail they go for nearly $600 and thats outa my price range... hence why Im leaning toward this one. I know I could justs OC but dont want too.

 

Garandhero, what we are trying to tell you is that the B1 revision is a very early Engineering Sample...that is early in the development process. While it may work for you forever, you are not getting the finished product, and you do not know what instructions or bug fixes are missing.

Just look at the C0 revision CPU-Z picture and you will see some of the differences.

Bottom line, you are not getting the finished product, and you are not getting any warranty. However you are getting it for much less than the finished, warranted product so if that is what you want to do...just understand clearly what you are doing.

 

http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=407

 

I`d also advise you to go for the T9300, it has proven itself and can OC safely to 3.0Ghz and still run very cool.

 

Well.... will the T9500 ever be available retail for like $300 and when?

+ now im really confused, I got half the people saying go for it they work fine and half saying no dont..

 

The t9500 is never going to retail for 300 (maybe on ebay after montevina comes out), and the price difference for the performance difference between t9500 and t9300 is not worth it.

 

Did you read the article flipfire linked? If not, please take a moment and read it...you won't be confused any longer.

Also, the advice to get the T9300 is the best you can have. It is only 100MHz lower clock speed, and if you think you will be getting less for more you have simply fallen into the Intel® Testosterone Trap™. I mean really...do you think that adding 100MHz to 2,500MHz is going to make ANY noticeable difference? The answer is clearly no. So when you buy the legal (as in not stolen...READ the article) and warranted T9300 you will be where you want to be.

Oh, and the T9500 will probably never come down in price because there will be no price reductions prior to the Montevina launch.

 

Make sure you read page 2-5

http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=407&pgno=1

 

I dont know to be honest that article seems pretty rediculous... basically everything that can go wrong was going wrong with there ES sample..

Plus the one im looking at isnt B0 its B1 and I seen CPU-z Pics its running at full speed with both cores going.

decisions decisions.

 

So B1 is revision 4 while C0 is revision 6.

There is nothing ridiculous about the article, buying stolen property, or buying a processor that has already been heavily stress tested, but then I guess that is up to you.

What is ridiculous is thinking that somehow 100MHz difference in clock speed will be "real world" helpful.

 

Except this proccesor hasnt been heavily stressed tested.....

also i never said I think 100Mhz is going to be helpful or anything so I dont know why you have adopted an attitude that seems oddly hostile, Like I said ive just have my heart set on a T9500 for a while it has nothing to do with performance or anything tbh, its just a wierd quirk of mine.

Thanks for the input guys, ill make a decision 2nite and letcha know.

 

he just want the best, like sometimes people insist to buy the F430 while they can have a corvette for 1/4 of the price, with both 400bhp.

 

I apologize if my reply seemed hostile.

However I am confused. Why is it not hostile for you to say "...to be honest that article seems pretty rediculous... " but it is hostile when in a good faith effort to help you I point out that buying one of the earliest (revision 4 B1) T9500 Engineering Sample processors that is stolen Intel property, and its history of stress testing is totally unknown to you, is not very smart when you can buy a legal and warranted production version T9300 for about the same price?

 

Seems like a no-brainer to me. I'd pay an extra $10-$50 any day, to get a legal processor that hadn't been in goodness-knows what conditions before being hawked on ebay. But hey, if that $30 is that important to you...

 

Is there no chance that this processor is fine?

 

oh pls.......people stop scaring him. the chance of malfunctioning should be slim, very slim.

 

Should be ok, but to me i still think try to get a C0 one.

 

There is every chance it will be fine. If you buy with paypal you can get a refund if it's not anyway. Lots of people use ES CPUs all the time (I'm using an ES x9000 now). There is a possibility that it may run a little hotter than a release proc, or that it may have a few problems but in my opinion it is unlikely. I have the B1 stepping x9000 and the ONLY thing that is 'wrong' with it is that I cannot read out individual core temperatures.