The Eurocom Q6

Hello there,

Does anyone here own this model?

I'm about to order mine (in a day or two) and as soon as it arrives, I'll be in a position to answer questions on specs, performance, Linux compatibility, etc.

-Brainiarc7

 

It's a Clevo P950ER - same as P950/P957HR but with 8 series Intel GPU and optional 120Hz panel. Thus the position on specification, performance (different CPU cores, clock speeds etc), Linuxz compatability will all be the same as with the HR version ;-)

There is an ownrs thread for the GTX 1060 version:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/sager-np8950-clevo-p950hp6-review-by-htwingnut.805339/

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/official-clevo-p950hp6-sager-np8950-owners-lounge.804747/ (including some comments on the P950HR / 1070 MAQ-Q version)

This is the only direct info on the 1070 MAQ-Q version - http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/p950hr-quick-initial-impressions.811859/

Tbh I think there's a lack of feedback on this model because it's GTX 1070 MAX-Q, which means you'll get pretty close to GTX 1060 performance in a slimmer chassis than a P65* model.

 

Here i did review of 1070 max-Q but it is in polish
https://m.pclab.pl/art74974-3.html

 

Thank you so much, looking at the references provided

 

If it is similar to the P957HR like XMG said, then can see a thorough review at Notebookcheck.
Eurocom Q5 (Clevo P957HR) Review - Notebookcheck

 

I'm sorry to hijack your post, I recently ordered a laptop from Eurocom, the Sky X4C and I don't know on which model of clevo it's based from and I'd be in need of some help, however there's obviously nothing on Google when you type only the model.

Thanks!

 

p751tm-g

 

Thank you, it is really appreciated!

 

you are welcome!

 

I'll be getting the Eurocom Q6 delivered to my house tomorrow.

When I'm done setting it up, I'll let you guys know so we can run benchmarks, etc.

 

You'll be able to join in on the appropriate owners lounge so you can compare with other users with the same machine

 

How is the pc going? Any thermal problems?
Did you choose a 144hz screen or 60hz?


Enviado desde mi ONE A2003 mediante Tapatalk

 

Instead of asking a user that likely doesn't know much about hardware you can visit reviews which do a professional coverage of the device in a more objective manner.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Eurocom-Q6-i7-8750H-GTX-1070-Max-Q-FHD-Laptop-Review.306110.0.html

To sum it up, the notebook thermal throttles even when playing witcher 3, not even stresstest. Software is as usual trash, sound quality is meh, keyboard is meh. Overall bad notebook.

 

The throttling seen in the above posted review doesn't match our internal tests, we recorded higher GPU clocks in Furmark, Prime + Furmark and also some other game benchmarks though we don't use Witcher. As this thread is regarding the Q6 and not P95*ER in general it's fair to discuss the independant review of the Q6, but some of the recorded performance figures (wether thermal performance of that individual chassis, different EC/BIOs versions etc to what we tested) are too low.

P.S. asking another forum user for their view on a product that they own is completely acceptable - that's why the forum exists isn't it? Plus, as above, relying on a single review isn't always a good idea either. Having both objective and subjective feedback is essential.

 

Unless you post some screenshots of valid benchmarks and temps, I cannot accept your statement since you're a clevo reseller and u're up against facts presented by nbc.

 

Yup I know.

 

1. The PC is very well built, and performs as expected. Sample benchmarks:

Fire Strike 1.1: https://www.3dmark.com/fs/15642166

Fire Strike Extreme: https://www.3dmark.com/fs/15642138

Fire Strike Ultra 1.1: https://www.3dmark.com/fs/15642116

Time Spy Extreme 1.0: https://www.3dmark.com/spy/3857561

Ice Storm 1.2: https://www.3dmark.com/is/4377017

SkyDiver 1.0: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/26883415?

Ice Storm Extreme: https://www.3dmark.com/is/4377029

Cloud Gate 1.1: https://www.3dmark.com/cg/4290751

Userbenchmark: http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/9078787

2. With an undervolt of -115mV, I get maximum temperatures of 87-88 degrees Celsius in titles such as Battlefield 1, BF4 and Witcher 3: The Wild Hunt. The Q6 has an unlocked BIOS variant that allows for undervolting, XMP profile selection, etc.

3. I went with the 144Hz panel. It's identical to what you'll find on the Gigabyte Aero 15-X v8.

I used my own storage. Eurocom, as a reseller, does have a steep price for storage upgrades so I requested for a quotation with no storage.

The bits in use:

(a). The 1 TB Samsung 960 Evo.

(b). The 2 TB Crucial MX300.

I was also able to set up Ubuntu 18.04LTS for dual boot purposes and it runs very well: https://gist.github.com/Brainiarc7/f7da590bee1ed35ac5ed258ff9335fd6

Missing feature(s) in Linux: Keyboard backlight control, and untested: The Airplane mode toggle. The P950ER that this model is based on switched to an Intel-based HID event platform driver for the Airplane mode switch, so making this work should be at most trivial with an udev rule. Prior generations would work with the clevo-xsm-wmi driver from the Tuxedo Linux repo which I'm yet to test.

For Windows 10: A Windows 10 Pro installation (build 1803) and Obsidian's updater utility (see https://www.obsidian-pc.com/en/downloads) got me through with all the drivers. Just scroll down to the P950ER in the utility.

Notes on ports: No Thunderbolt 3 in sight, only two USB type C ports. I've ordered for a Letscom USB C hub to expand input options down the road.

 

Having read the article linked above, yes. Some of their benchmark results are off, particularly Cinebench. The next observation is on thermals: On the Witcher 3, all settings set to Ultra, using the stock BIOS settings, the processor did not exceed 93 degrees Celsius in a period of 4 hours of gaming (I was on the Blood and wine DLC then). And that was with the stock fan profile (for Max-Q, as that's what NBR is using in the review). XMG has some credence here.

 

Your CPU seems to perform quite well, however your GPU is being nerfed by something.

 

You GPU is underperforming. An 80w max-Q 1070 should be around 14.2k~14.7k in the graphics score. Do you have the 180W power brick or the 150W one

 

I have the 150W PSU.

What graphics score are you referring to in the 41.2-14.7k?

 

3dmark firestrike

 

Hmm, take a look at this: https://www.3dmark.com/fs/15542980

On the Clevo P751DM2-G with a 7700k and the GTX 1070 (without Max-Q).

Is it under-performing too, based on your observations?

 

1070N is 16.3k~17.2k depending on you cooling
1070MQ 90w is 15.4k~16.2k depending on your cooling
1070MQ 80W is 14.3k~14.6k depending on your cooling

13.9K on a 1070MQ 80W is underperforming

It's underperforming because the imbeciles at clevo couldn't invent a 180W power brick that's thin so they just threw a 150w and called it a day.with the 180w a guy on reddit(same laptop) scored in the mid 14k stock and 15.3k with an OC of 200mhz on memory and core(he could probably push more) .

And with MQ every bit of performance matters in closing the performance gap between the 1070MQ and the 1070N

 

wow damn

 

Which also means that my P751DM2-G's 1070 is also under-performing.

 

Yes it is underperforming. But its still a 1070N since the desktop FTW edition isnt that ahead.

Their are stock 1070MQ out there that almost match it(spoiler alert: not in a clevo)

 

That score is just fine, although in the lower end of it. with both a P775TM1, and DM3, I've had scores at 19K+ stock (Firestrike graphics), however I run my fans full speed when benching due to the inbuilt fancurves being a joke.

Anything in the 17-18K range of firestrike graphics score, is what I'd expect the 1070M to do.

I'd try and look at services that you run that might affect it, personally I have found that both those systems have issues with the USB service from VMWare, which for unknown reasons forces the GPU down to ~1200 MHz with some variance, thus giving bad scores at the 14K mark.

Pascal is in many ways a pain to deal with, as it acts up very much based on all sorts of things. Along with GPU Boost 3.0, as once you hit 60C (I believe) it starts to decrease the frequency, thus it might very well just be due to different ambient temperatures, dust, heatsink contact, etc..

GPU-Z and the perf-cap reasons there can give a good indication of why it performs as it does.

 

it's probably caused by very bad thermals. How are the temps when u do FS?

 

I'll take that into account.

 

Under full load, the GTX 1070 in the P751DM2-G sits on the lower 80s.

The processor is delidded and undervolted (-125mV), and tops out on high 70s under full load.

 

Mh... interesting. Can you maybe dump the vBios of the card with GPU-Z and send it here? I wanna see what the TDP limit is on that card.

 

Hmm, attempting a dump of the VBIOS results in a GPU-Z crash.

 

I'll retry with a newer version of GPU-Z

 

You can also try using NVFLASH.

also what NVIDIA drivers are you using? several users have been reporting massive performance issues with the latest drivers. If you ahve the newest drivers, revert back to 391 and try benchmarking again.

 

Btw,

Related to the Q6: Seems they capped their GTX 1070 Max-Q variant to 80W.

Earlier on, I was building Intel's Neo OpenCL driver on Ubuntu 18.04LTS and then tested it all out with Luxmark and eventually pyrit.

No matter how intense the workload is (for both pyrit and luxmark stress tests), the GPU power draw is capped hard at 80W, max.

See the screenshots below, showing the conky monitoring portion of the GPUs.



That is pyrit, under full load in OpenCL mode hammering both dGPU and iGPU.

And here comes Luxmark.



And here is the conky config that generates these panels.

Whatever Eurocom did here with a 1070 Max Q locked down to 80W is definitely crippling.

 

It's even worse

Clevo took the slower 1070MQ (80-90w)* and put it in their laptops. Now eurocom came in and lowered it to (80-80w).

The card is so gimped at this point it's not even funny anymore. The aero 15x (90-100w) can get 1720mhz averages in games and this abomination is sitting at 920mhz. Just so eurocom could get that cruical 4db noise reduction

*(power target-power hard limit)

The proper 1070MQ when overclocked


How to ruin a laptop 101. If only their is a reliable way to increase TDP.

 

Holy sh*t, confirms my fear then.

 

Abominable.

Truly abominable.

 

Metabox had the 80w hard powerlimit too. And according to a reviewer it will never break into the 1300mhz territory. Other p95Xer out there still have a 90w hard limit so they can get ~1392mhz clocks max(OC).

(90-100w) 1070MQ + good cooling+ stock settings =



When overclocked the (90-100w) 1070MQ is a normal 1070 in a laptop with mediocre cooling


The WORST IS THAT THE P95XER can handle a proper 1070MQ(90-100W). But it was GIMPED (according to perma) for "noise concerns"

Just look at the 1070MQ (80-80w) :

 

This is a very senseless idea.

For one, with the P950ER: The greatest noise maker here is the processor's fan. Under load, this processor runs hot.

Look at this mess.



See the processor temperatures above under full load, with Pyrit running across all cores? Yes, its' sitting at ~98 degrees, with all cores clocking at ~3.7GHz.

Sure, great performance. Mark you, this is with a ~100mV undervolt.

I have doubts about this laptop's longevity.

What pisses me off even worse is the GPU situation: It seems well cooled. Cooled well enough to handle ~100W of power if Clevo had the common sense to bundle the 180W+ PSU for this chassis.

This is f*ckery.

 

This laptop NEEDS LM for cpu+ undervolting. It's the only way to keep it under 90c

A 180w PSU won't fix a hard TDP limit(it will probably get you 1200mhz clocks in witcher 3 instead of 920mhz, but even at 1200mhz the card is still gimped). Its stuck for life, which is why I am not buying the P95XER despite having enough to afford it(but not enough for the aero 15x sadly).i would rather spend another year on a GTX950M laptop over getting stuck with gimped performance for life.

Going from (80-90w) to (80-80w) lowered the noise from 54db to 50db and allowed them to use a lower tier PSU(AND therefore saved them the money in developing a slim 180w PSU like msi and razer) . So for them it was worth it.

 

Another honest user that needed the performance got crapped on by users who misslead him into buying a subpar clevo notebook.

 

I wouldn't blame Clevo on this one, blame Eurocom for specifying it this way. They would have been the ones to request the TDP limits.

 

Clevo designed the cooling solution, its not Eurocom fault that the laptop can't keep its CPU cool.

As usual, Clevo cooling always needs mods/tweaks or is plain crap from the design standpoint.

I'm waiting for either 9th gen Intel(because meltdown/spectre) or AMD, if they cram an 8 core CPU in a laptop with an Nvidia GPU i'm sold.

 

Note : isn't meltdown/spectre already patched ?
The worst is that clevo is using the slower MAX Q 1070 that have literally the same TDP as the 1060N. The cpu temp is fixable with liqiud metal + undervolt, the tdp is not.

Aero 15x(90w, single channel) OC


Razer 2018(90w, daul channel) OC


Sager P955ER(80w, daul channel) OC




I have 2 more aero 15x scores + 4 razer one that are just as high

 

This right here confirms your observations:

See how 'locked down' the clocks are in games.