The word on 8800 upgrades

Actually, it really is one word: no.

Just got word from a contact, he has the official confirmation that a different motherboard is required. He already tried a swap and it did not work.

Sorry to rain on a lot of people's parades..

 

on a Clevo M570RU or D901C?

 

what are you talking about.

they allready said that they will get a MXM 4 version for the D900C

I call B...S!

there is allready a ton of pre-orders and sales going for the D900C with MXM 4

 

Both afaik.

*filler*

 

I doubt it

post your sources

 

so those 8800's that the rock had in their lappy had a diff mobo?

we will see.

i still take this with a jupiter size grain of salt

 

I believe Ice-Tea is saying that a source has confirmed that a swap of a current MXM-IV module to the new 8800M MXM-IV will require a new motherboard.

I found it a bit strange since I got some confirmations (through tests and pics of the motherboard) that it worked in current shipments of the M570RU systems in Europe... where you have seen recent reviews for the first 8800M GTX's being reviewed.

The pics of the boards (current Clevo 570RU & the ones that got reviewed with 8800M's) look identical.

I have not seen a 8800M in D901C yet though... but it should be soon.

 

i know what he is saying.

I just don't believe it.

since all of the PR and PRE_ORDERS, and stuff that the 9261 supports them and the sites that are offering them....etc

if it does need a new Mobo that would sux a55.

and another fricken reason why CLEVO's MXM isn't upgradable as we would like

 

I'm only reproducing what I've heard. You can take this with as much salt as you want, I fully understand. It's quite possible there is no visual difference between motherboards, just the MXM eprom on the board with a different content.

 

that would indeed piss off the whole crowd and industry as a fricken WHOLE!!
the whole 5hit behind MXM is so there can be UPGRADES!!!

if they keep on doing this 5hit. people are damn god well not gonna buy there 5hit anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

F the studio SYSTEM!

if they need a new MOBO, i am not buying CLEVO EVER!!!

I wanted to be able to get 7950's and switch between 7950's 8800's or 8700's for that matter, I like the idea of being able to swiitch back and forth if 1 breaks or if I want to.

 

The BIOS revisions on the tested M570RU motherboard is also the same 1.00.04... which is current.

We shall see the official word from Sager and Pro-Star about the pricing and final specs of the 8800M GTX's within 2 weeks.

 

If this is true, Clevo is going to loose a lot of its customer base I'm afraid.
I, and I guess a lot off people with me, wouldn't like to buy a notebook at a premium price, assuming it's upgradeable, and then find ourselves left out in the cold.

 

New mobo? That is very strange indeed, I doupt it.

"...has confirmed that a swap of a current MXM-IV module to the new 8800M MXM-IV will require a new motherboard.."

If that is the case what I see is that Clevo requires a new mobo upgrade every time something new appears on the market. I was under the impression that MXM-IV support means that at least it was compatible to all Clevo modules of the same type so I don't understand the sentence.

If the sentence is correct they could actually generate the names for the interfaces randomly (i can do a software for that and give it to Clevo in exchange for an upgrade to the 8800M GTX cards), The advantages of this is that at least us customers would understand better what these acronyms mean within the scope of upgrades (that is nothing).

Trance
PS: My guess it that at most an eprom flash will be required but nothing else really.

 

I got the 9260 with the express intent of eventually upgrading it to DX10. Probably in the 9xxx series, but I still bought the damn thing because of that option.

Thats ludicrous, though some of the smaller resellers will probably eat the difference for a small fee and upgrade their customers anyway if enough green is involved.

 

I emailed Eurocom and had a reply today that they would eventually be selling 8800m gtx cards for m570ru's, along with an approximate price/date subject to change etc etc etc - made no mention of not being compatible, infact I specifically asked with model of my laptop...

oh and start saving

Nox

 

could you give the additional info as approx price/date?

 

it's 895 per card fro Eurocom

 

Eurocom has the 8800GTX for SLI 1470$ USD a single card is listed for 735$ USD.

 

on euro's site it says 1690 for SLI, and 845 per card.

 

I was just there and in USD it is 1470$ and 1690$ CA. Specify the currency you are using so the right information gets out.

 

They said $895 and late december, but obviously everything is subject to change...

nvidia may not even of got round to shipping them to anyone except alienware and dell by then !

Nox

 

here is a direct email from john @Eurocom:

from today:

Thank you for your enquiry...

Yes, you can purchase these video cards from us. The 7950 is currently
available and the 8800 will be available in late December, early
January.

The cost for the 7950gtx is $595.00 and the 8800m will be $895.00 when
available.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Thank You

John Shore | Retail Product Specialist | Eurocom Corporation |

 

You know when they came out with the mobo upgrade for Quad cores I felt a bit disapointed that I couldn't put a Quad in without swapping the mobo. Now with this new mobo to be able to use 8800's I'm glad I waited.

It's a bit crazy though that every time an upgrade appears it requires a new mobo. Not just a bios fix....that seems very shoddy work to me.

 

if that is indeed the truth, I'm glad I waited too.

 

here is a reply from JOHN @Eurocom.



Well.. I know for a fact that there is no Video BIOS for the d900c yet
so I am not too sure how he would have tested it. I can't say for sure
either way because we have not received our trial units yet.

Thank You

 

"No Video bios for the d900c"

Eh? What is that all about? The vBios is on the MXM card, not on the notebook. Off course, we can hope the have to release a sBios before they can get it to work but in theory the sBios should not keep the card from booting at least...

 

w8 a minute,

Ice-Tea: can we put 8800 gtx in 570 ru without board revision ? just take of 7950gtx and put a brand new 8800gtx purchase from eurocom p. ex. ?

Thank you in advanced

 

I know that sounds messed up, the Vbios is on the card.

if he meant the mobo bios to accept the 8800 rev's. maybe. but vbios hmmmmm.

 

You and me both, I will wait for confirmation on the Penryn, more than likely we will need a MB upgrade to use the 45nm chips. I will make a major upgrade at that time if we actually need to upgrade our MB to go with the 8800

 

lol, upgrades for everything...

not very modular at all... not at all.

 

When I upgrade a desktop machine it usually always includes a MB upgrade. I am not to bothered with slapping $500.00 or so on a new MOBO, as long as they change the bios to give us more control. You better have deep pockets if your getting into the realm of upgradable DTR, if not you should of saved yourself some coin and just built a desktop system. 1700 CAD just for dual 8800M GTX, thats not chump change.

 

every upgrade needs a mobo upgrade.

quad core, 8800's, and new processors.

so you spend the 500 on new mobo, then another 1500+ on 2 8800m's

that 2k. throw in a new proc say 600, now ur at 2600. almost enough to get a new setup.

 

Not really, my system was around 5500 CAD with OCZ memory upgrade. But I do understand where your comming from, now you know the pain us 9260 owners went through just 2 months after the 9260 was released they released the 9261 with quad support.

 

If i have to change my motherboard to add the 8800 ill just sell my laptop and buy another one than...

Anyway i still belive its upgradable without the motherboard upgrade

 

i totally agree. yes it would cost more with those upgrades.

I mean just a base system with nothing special.

Like the system I was planning on getting was a Barebones with 2x7950gtx cards. for 2500.

 

nah, every upgrade with Clevo seems it needs a mobo ugprade.

it's stupid really.

when I got my m1710. you had a whole generations worth of video cards to choose from. 6800---------------7950gtx

I do hope to god that there is no Mobo upgrade, but it does seem like Clevos track # to add one, as CRF said... just weeks after the 9620 was released the D901c was released with a diff mobo to suit quad core.

sounds really $hitty to me.

they should get their stuff straight before rushing to release this crap.

I mean get a finnished product thats tested before pissing off a whole swack of customers.

yah meen?

 

a little birdy told me that The 8800gtx works FINE in both MODELS.

and that there are no 8800gtx's outside of R&D.

 

SWEEEEEET!

 

of course take this with a grain of salt. but Someone directly in the industry told me this.

 

Man this thread is crazy, what a tease.

its like, oh crap, depression, then its like, oh sweet, relief.

I hope there's an official word soon before the heart attack count starts increasing.

the desire for dual 8800's is crazy and i can't wait to be blowing away most desktops.

by the way, whats a good place to look up 3dmark scores? whats an average score for a typical high end desktop? such as, 8800 gtx on an e6750, something like that.

I looked up one place that had a 29,000 3dmark06 score but i didn't even recognize most of the hardware.

 

If there is a mobo upgrade required (sigh), thats still doable in the same notebook chassis I imagine. I wonder how much the mobo costs?

jeff

 

Anyone else think the price on this card is a complete ****ing ripoff? Better just be Eurocom.

 

when you think of it. the whole gaming notebook scene is just one big rip-off

 

lol, the second revision for the m570ru has arrived in silence, am i right?

 

yes that is y i will wait till march or so before i jump again i am happy with my 8700 for now and 4more months isn't that long

 

it will probably be like 1400 bux for the upgrade. not including a new mobo.

 

I hope that Sager and other sellers will give the owners of the 9260/9261 a break on the mobo if it is required to upgrade. I would like to get a petition going and ask them to release a mobo that officially supports the 45nm CPU and the 8800 GTX and give us a deal on the price of the mobo. It's the least they can do.

I do believe we can at least be heard if we all let them know that we are upset with them over this. It would be nice to see the boards go for $100-$200 not $500 or more

 

What they should fricken well do is release 1 fricken product that needs no more revisions and just supports UPGRADES.

 

I agree. I mean, for a chassis that only came out in mid-late spring, for a new mobo revision to come out in late summer is BS. I mean, is it something they could have done if they just withheld release by another month? Most likely.

 

i don't think it is that easy to just hold off for a month or two.

you know how it is, once you by X, something better / newer is due out within a month or so.

so if Clevo / Sager does any waiting it would have end up with nothign to release forever.

so they skip the 7950 and wait for 8700, when they get closeto release the 8700 they wait for the 95 watt quad core for another 2 months, when that gets close they wait another month for the 8800. and when the 8800 gets close they wait for the 45nm CPU then wait for what ever comes next and it goes on forever.

i think that it is just a hard sad fact that laptop are not ment to be easly upgraded as desktops at this point of time. even desktops we need to do M/B swap from time to time, example of soon why i would be doing a desktop M/B swap DDR2 to DDR3.