Then there were 2

I think I'm down to 2 machines. Any thoughts?
D901C
1920x1200
8700M
E6750
2GB Ram
2x120 Raid 0
4965ABGN

M570RU
1920x1200
8800m
T7500
2GB
80GB
4965ABGN

I've got to get this ordered soon. I've got to have it in my hands before Jan 10, 2008.

Thanks

 

What is your budget? What do you want to do with the machine? If you get the D901C will you be eventually going SLI? Do you need portability? Have you talked to the reseller you plan to purchase this from to ensure that they can ship it to you before the Jan 10th deadline? Just a few questions to help determine your needs.

 

I'm hoping to keep it below $2500.
I need a machine for some schools I've got to attend. I have to run several Virtual machines and special apps. In addition, some gaming, web, email, photo editing.
The basic requirement: 2GB ram, min 2 USB, 802.11b/g 10/100 ethernet. CPU has to process network analysis (scans,exploits, etc) and not bog down.

Two suppliers of the M570RU said it shouldn't be a problem. Still waiting on the supplier for the D901C

Hope that helps a little.

 

If you want to stay under $2500, I'd say the M571RU is the better choice. You will be able to max it out more with that budget than the D901C. A 2.4Ghz processor should be fine. With the 8800M GTX coming out (which you are planning on getting) then you should be fine gaming. The thing I would look out for is the screen resolution. On the 17" do you want 1920x1200 or do you want 1680x1050? Just a thought. The 8800M GTX will be able to play most games at 1920 (except Crysis that pig) so something to think about.

Does moving it often matter? Does the weight matter?

 

2500 for a m570ru ... yeah you can get that... try rjtech or xotic... but im not sure you can find a 7200rpm 80gig anymore...

But... if you have to run 2-3 virtual machine (on VMware) maybe a quadcore will do a better job (D901C)... but i was running 8 XP client in VMware and a 2003server with an old P4 and it was ok...

a single 8800m is supose to be faster than a SLI 8700m... so if you dont want to go SLI and dont need a quadcore... go with a m570ru

And dont think about going with a d901c and upgrade it later... it wont work... forget upgrading a laptop!

hope it help... for myself i have preorder a m571ru with a 8800m... its a lot cheaper and for gaming a quadcore wont do much (for now)

 

I haven't seen the M571RU only the M570RU. I'm hoping I can get 1920x1200but sometimes concessions must be made.
The weight isn't that big of an issue. Right now I'm using a Gateway 15.4 and its pushing 7lbs. I can't upgrade it so I'm SOL on that one. I haul this one into the living room sometimes and take it on my business trips.

I want to stay away for the big box guys.

Any idea where the M571RU might be hiding? I've gone through the reseller list and the only thing showing up is M570.

Thanks again

 

its the same thing except its silver instead of black... it look more serious, professional... i cant go see a client with a gaming machine lol

and in north america only eurocom offer it...

 

I think that's supposed to be the model # that reflects the ability to use 2.8Ghz processors. Don't quote me on that. The M570RU should be plenty of laptop to do what you want to do with it. Actually a Core2Duo 2.0Ghz should work fine. Don't bother getting 800Mhz ram. The Santa Rosa chipset can't use it. 667Mhz is fine for your needs as well.

 

I didn't look at Eurocomm because they're in Canada and I read on here some where there might be custom duties on it.

Looks more and more like the M570 is the machine. Thanks for all the help

 

Like i said... the m570ru and the m571ru is the same machine except the m571ru has the lid silver and the trim silver...the rest is the same...

 

Your welcome man. Stick around and don't be a stranger to the forum. There is a ton of help articles scattered around NBR.

 

I would suggest the M570RU also sice in 2500$ you can get top specs and more portability/battery life.

 

I've been talking a lot with Eurocom since I need to get the silver system from them as well.

Here is what I got from them:

 

For virtual machines.... The D901C is the way to go...

The Raid setup with 7200rpm drives make a huge difference in VM's....
If you get 3 drives... in Raid 0 it will also be faster.... Thats what I have...

And I would also get the quad core... When you run VM's like I do...
You need to step out of them quite a bit.... the quad core really shines like this...

Also think about upgrading to the better memory... Virtual machiens use quite a bit... and having the faster memory will also make a difference...

If your on a budget...
I would probably do the q6600.. and try to get the memory and go for the faster hd's and skimp on the SLI setup.....

HTH,

Joe

 

Oh yeah... raid is so usefull http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/10/17/parallel_processing/page6.html

And dual chanel even more! http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/10/17/parallel_processing/page11.html

Oh i was forgeting the quadcore http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/10/08/parallel_processing/page5.html

 

It really amazes me that the same people keep saying the same things about Quad Core CPU vs Dual Core CPU, Raid vs Non-Raid, and Dual Channel memory vs Single Channel memory. But the thing that is really amazing about it is that the give their recommendations based off of information that is not suited to the use of the person they are trying to inform. If you are just gaming on your computer then the information is correct. But if you are using your computer for simulation modeling, virtual machine applications, routing simulation, large compiling applications, 3D cad applications, 3d modeling, large database applications, parallel computing, clustered computing, multi-threaded applications, and in general things that would use and take advantage of these things then try to think outside of the box and look at how these applications really use your system resources. Also another thing to consider is that most of the synthetic benchmarks look at running 1 application at a time to see how fast that one application runs. They are not taking into account that even a dual core cpu can run more than 1 application at a time efficiently. So if you are running only one application at a time then just get the fastest FSB and reasonable speed CPU. If you are running multiple applications or using something that supports muli-threading then you would want to look at the above listed as requirements. Can we start to look at 64 bit applications yet?

 

I would just like to point out that most of the testing showing no change, were much more about the GPU than anything else. Also, about the raid 0, the review does state that they see much faster load times in games.

"There is a noticeable difference between a slow hard drive and fast setups when you load a new game level: the process is completed much faster with a 10,000 RPM Western Digital Raptor, or even a RAID 0 setup." - Toms hardware.

So trying to say these features have no advantage is kind of narrow. If all you need is lots of fps, sure, you don't need all these extra cores and channels. But some of us have many things that these features will improve, like video encoding, photoshop, HDDV captuing. You know, productive stuff......

The stuff I do for work kills every computer I touch. I need all the cores and channels and seek speed I can get.

 

I will add one more thing to this (and then try to push the soap box back in the corner). I can play half life 2 and encode a video at the same time on my machine. The video finish in about 45 minutes. I get about 140 fps in half life 2. Doing both at the same time I see no difference in the fps or the encoding process times. The average computer user probably wouldn't do this. But for the person that does it is a good thing to have a higher end system. So the best advice is to know how you want to use your system and spec it that way.

 

If I could go back in time and respec my machine I would pick up the Q6700 instead of the Q6600.

I also use VMs a lot as part of software/hardware development (I'm a EE). The quad and extra RAM are definitely a must.

However some apps just use a single core. Since we can't overclock a Q6600 is just like an E6600 in those situations. The extra 266MHz would be nice.

RAID is a must although find a way to backup your system regularly. I use the built-in backuo tool that's part of Vista Business along with an external 500GB USB HDD.

Even with RAID-0, disk access is still the slowest thing on my computer -- and the disk is always in use on Vista.

 

Also I would consider opinions only from folks who own the hardware you're considering.

I had tons of people tell me not to get 8700's at the time of my order... not a single person had them in SLI (or even had a single 8700) -- they just quoted specs, and not that accurately. My two 8700's in SLI run as good as my brother's desktop 8800 GTX.

 

You guys hit it right on the mark..

I love how people just don't get it.....

Remember he wants to run VM's.... Gaming also...So he gets the best of both worlds.

Also with the 8700's... You can overclock them like crazy...
If you look at some of my posts... I clocked over 11000 in 3dmark2006...
I also have been running crysis for hours and the GPU only hits the 72 degree mark....

I wouldn't change by box at all.... The 8700 has been a great card..
I would really like to see what the 8800's score... I bet its all hype...

Joe

 

What people don't get is that his budget is $2500. You can't configure a decent D901C with SLI and a quad etc for that price. You can configure a D901C with the minimum processor and 1 GFX card for over $2500, that blows his budget.

Your best bet is still the M750RU.

 

Sorry for taking this off track with my comments. They are valid, but for your budget of 2500$ I would also recommend the 5791/2. It will handle your normal OS and a virtual machine at the same time. If you can up the price 500$-600$ I would recommend the 9260/1/2. The quad core can do so much more. But you will not be disappointed with the 5792. Get the best CPU you can afford and ram that is upgradeable. When running VM more ram is better and allows it to run faster. Faster hard drives will help when it has do page swaps I would not skimp to much there. A 5400rpm drive will do but a 7200rpm is much better. One of the reason the 901C is better is because it will support the 3g sata the 5792 does not. While in benchmarks of actual applications there is not a lot of difference in multi tasking applications it makes a lot more difference. Hence the recommendations for the raid configurations. If you are not doing real development on large scales or doing large scale simulations the 5792 will work reasonably well with out slowdowns. Both are good machines but as always buy the most speed and performance you can afford it will pay for itself in terms of enjoyment and longevity.

 

Wow is his gtx broken?

 

I am not sure how hard the 10 Jan date is but I ordered a 9262 with an 8800 vid card on 6 Dec and they were not sure when it would arrive.

Of course I want it as soon as possible and after talking on the phone I got the impression no one really knows when they will really ship, especially if you get a 8800 card. I was told it might be as soon as 19 Dec, but it might well be later.

I basically agree with the other posts that your $US2500 price limit favors not getting a 9262.

 

It is possible to put it together for around 3k without SLI and going with q6600. But I could not get it under that. But I didn't look at every site either. A smart shopper might get it cheaper but I IDK for sure.

 

Guys... He's probably on an air cooled system...

Water-cooled systems will be way above that....

Joe

 

Thanks for all the info. I'd sure like to go for the 901 but there's no way I could justify it. The dog would be in the house and I'd be outside in the proverbial doghouse. I'm probably going to pull the trigger on the 5791. I double checked on the 5792 and like Ragebot says no guarantees.

 

It is a reasonable choice and I don't think you will have any issues with it running what you want. Enjoy it and let us know how it works out.

 

I agree with kil5167... For the money you can't beat it...

If you could have afforded a little more and didn't mind a bigger machine... Then the D901C would be cool...

But like I said for the money you can't beat it....

Joe

 

I personally think you will be happy with your M570RU. (5791) Stick around here man and visit us when you can. Lots of good articles and friendly people to help out also!

 

what about this D901C:
q6600
2gb DDR2-800
1920x1200 glass view
8700M (Can't wait for the 8800, and for my needs I think it might over kill)
120GB 7200 (I'll add another after the holidays for Raid0, just like my desktop)
3945 card (no N)

$2399

or I could configure it with the E6750 and get it down to $2322

Thoughts?

 

If thats the way you want to go then sure. You can always piecemeal it up later as you get the $$. Just decided for yourself if you want the hasle of doing that.

 

The d901C is a better choice because it will have more power and it will be more silent...
If you want shear performance, then the D901C is the way to go...

 

If you are going with the 901C then spend the little extra and get the q6600 it is worth the cost in performance. Specifically multitasking performance. You can also upgrade things like hard drives and memory later if you need to. (this could also be done on most other systems) It will also give you the chance to upgrade to 8800m sli and maybe even another processor with a MB revision later.

 

Please, not another MB revision...
Yea, the q6600 should be enough for anything, think 4 cores 2.4 GHz each

 

I'm calling the vendor tomorrow. If he can get me this config, I'm ordering.

q6600
1920x1600
2GB
120GB 7200
8700m
3945 hoping to get the 4965N

I'll add a second HD and 2GB after the new year.

Thanks for all the help. Keep you posted

 

I hope it all works out for you. Keep us updated on your experiences.