Thoughts on NP7850/N850hp6

Just saw this model appear on lpc digital after months of looking at both p650hp6 and n850hk1. However there is no review for the aforementioned model online. Does anyone have information or thoughts about it?

 

Just launched, reviews aren't out yet. It'll basically be a hybrid between those two... So the better power of the P650 without its better build quality.

 

Internal shot

 

Might not necessarily be a bad thing though. If you want something with the same specs, and you don't plan on adding in multiple SSDs or going up to 64GB of ram, then you can cut the budget a bit there.

 

Yeah no for most people the specs are fine. But it's a pretty noticeable difference in chassis quality. The P650 is rock solid while the N850 is only alright.

 

Interesting machine and solid reduction in price over the P650HP.

I guess we'll have to wait for some benches to see if the N850 chassis can handle the 1060. Given the 1050Ti and 1060 aren't all that far apart on TDP I suspect it might just get away with it.

 

Is the difference in build quality between the N series and P series that large? Because I am considering the p650hp3 over the n850hk1 because gtx 1060 3gb > gtx 1050ti 4gb and the build quality. Though I do think that the p650hp6-g is overkill.

 

Exactly my case. I want a 1060 to start vr development, but don't need all the storage options of the p650

 

As you can see in the picture, the heatsink now has 4 heat pipes, 2 dedicated to each the CPU and GPU so thermals are not an issue

 

Right, I'll agree there are other differences in the systems that don't show up on the spec sheet. I was just thinking it is an alternative for someone who wants those specs, but maybe won't get to the same level as others in what they need in the system.

I'd agree. I've seen some other systems with similar specs that have a single heatpipe on the CPU and a single one on the GPU that are pretty thin. Cooling is one area I wouldn't want to come up short in.

 

So n850 is the winner. I have been looking around and didn't found a European reseller that has the n850hp6 at the moment, yet. Will keep looking

 

Yes it hit this market first

 

From this month is available from our site

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https://www.ceg-hardcorecustom.com/product/clevo-n850hp6-intel-kaby-lake-ddr4-nvidia-gtx-1060

Thanks
is that battery different? 62wh?
n850hk1 has a 48.84wh battery

 

battery is 62wh and display is IPS

 

weight?

 

2.5kg

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Our N850HK1 and N850HP6 both have a 62Wh battery - we skipped the 1050Ti version and are going straight to the 1060

2.5kg

 

Thanks!
i'm asking because this reseller sells a n850hk1 with a 4cells 48.84wh battery
http://www.raiontech.com/prodotto/raionbook/gaming/raionbook-g4/

 

Great news!

 

It's 2.5kg with the 47Wh battery - Clevo has a factory option for either 47Wh or 62Wh battery so you might find both capacities depending on the company selling it. Likely you'll find the 47Hw with the lower performing i3-7100H and the i5-730HQ whereas the 62Wh is probably only going to be offered by most companies with the i7-7700HQ CPU.

 

Hi every one
@XMG have mentioned before n850hk1 cooling system not good enough for 1050TI (then I have dig deeper and I have found similar reviews about the heat issues for this model) so what do you think guys are these extra heat pipes good enough for 1060 6gb? I am not sure but it seems the fans also have changed I guess.

As a result when n850hk1 show up I really like it but after the heat issues reviews, I had decided to get 650hp3 and now I am confused which one is more good for future ( 32-64 gb ram and the multiple SSD is not so critical for me I won't using it for video or mutimedia works - in professional way at least - ) and is the chassis quality difference really huge ? I don't care about the style by the way functionality is always more important for me.

My cousin in US now and she will back end of the month so I have to give my order next week...so what do you think, who is the winner 650hp3 or 850hp6?

greetings from Turkey

 

I'm 99% leaning towards the n850... 6GB 1060 vs 3GB on the 650... Slimmer profile also not as wide as the 650... Rest of the aspects are irrelevant imo.. For the price nothing comes close with relative specs and it's almost to me as if it's too good to be true... The only thing that's keeping me from 100% is the heat dissipation...but as noted earlier in the thread the extra heat pipes gives some reassurance.. we shall see..

 

I don't recommend buying and using Clevo outside your reseller's country (or EU if you live in a EU country). Chances of having a defective component is way higher with Clevo than any other brand. There are many posts of users having hardware issues.

It is going to take at least 2 months to get an international RMA. It will cost you $300. Some resellers like HIDevolution offer global warranty for $150. You won't pay shipping but still 2 months.

Then you have the RMA being half-assed cz reseller's warranty. So you might end up RMAing multiple times.

I wouldn't take the risk. I never get a Clevo for relatives living outside US. Just get an MSI laptop. They have 1 year global warranty which you can use in any country.

 

Look at the photo in the third post.

 

gallery with benchmarks results
https://business.facebook.com/media...pe=1&business_id=419777901532093&l=897ee64f65

https://sharegallery.strato.com/pag...850hp6-cooling-system-benchmarks/photos/fluid

PCMark 8 Home Accelerated 3.0
http://www.3dmark.com/pcm8/19748063

PCMark 8 Creative Accelerated 3.0
http://www.3dmark.com/pcm8/19749885

PCMark 8 Work Accelerated 2.0
http://www.3dmark.com/pcm8/19757587

 

Thanks for these benchmarks
Could you test (stress test) it with aida64?

 

Would anyone happen to have the screen model?

 

Sure - LG LP156WF6

 

Does anyone know if this model can be switched discrete/hybrid in the BIOS?

Cheers!

 

There's no MUX on this model or the other Clevo "N" chassis, you'll only find this on the "P" models. The HDMI and DP ports are directly connected to the Nvidia dGPU in this model, but you can't switch the internal display like you can in the P series. One of the main reasons that the switch was included in more recent models was to support G-Sync as this requires a direct connection between the dGPU and panel - if this was fixed on then you'd pernamently have rubbish battery life hence the MUX.

In a "P" series you can change it in the Clevo CC (Control Center) software and also in the BIOS Advanced > MSHYBRID or DISCRETE Switch but you won't find this int he N850 BIOS.

Technically it means that you can run a VR HMD from this laptop beause fo the dGPU to HDMI & DP ports, but you should really have a GTX 1070 for this due to the performance level.

 

N85xHP6 N87xHP6 is vr ready

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Thanks for the quick and detailed reply! I am a bit confused though as since I posted this question I found this: https://www.sagernotebook.com/Notebook-NP7850.html

Sager states it is switchable so is this a typo/marketing mistake?

Sorry for my confusion, and thanks again for your help.

 

On NP7850 you have:

This switchable is MsHybrid. Nvidia calls it Optimus. The internal display is always connected to the intel gpu. You can switch which gpu the application will use using the Nvidia Control Panel.

Application that are set to use intel gpu will go iGPU=>internal display. Application that are set to use the nvidia gpu will go dGPU=>iGPU=>internal display.


On NP8155 you have:

This is the mux switch. You can switch between MsHybrid and Dedicated. Mshybrid is the exact same way the NP7850 works.

Dedicated mode disables the intel gpu and connects the nvidia gpu directly to the internal display. Main advantage of this is gsync (and probably slightly less latency cause dGPU=>internal display) but downside is battery life. To have better battery life on the go, you switch to MsHybrid.

 

Ah so one is a software either/and direct passthrough (optimus) solution,

the other is an actual low level hard switch (multiplexer) bios controlled solution.

The hard switch solution multiplexer actually disables one or the other while the software solution just disables the discrete gpu until it is told to wake up and then it takes over being passed through the integrated gpu?

Cheers!

 

Yes, that's exactly what I said - they support VR HMDs but you should go for a GTX 1070 if you want a proper VR machine.

 

Optimus is application based. You can have both gpu running simultaneously on different applications. If the application uses dx12 or vulkan, it is possible to have both gpu running on the same application. The dgpu is off and wakes up if you have at least one application that is configured by the nvidia driver to use the dgpu.

If Clevo did more work, I am pretty sure they could make a software or physical switch without the need to reboot. Screen might need to restart for a sec though.

It is between disable igpu or optimus. Optimus is the software solution. dgpu isn't permanently disabled in optimus.

 

Thanks for the additional info. I am wanting to triple boot this machine (win/linux/osx) so I'm asking a lot of questions prior o deciding on which model.

Cheers!

 

I feel like a hot swap isn't really possible in this case easily. Not something I've heard of anyone ever doing. Same thing with software.

 

I know linux at least used to hate optimus and the dedicated hardware switch was nice for that.

I think there are some work arounds now though.

 

Yup, Bumblebee has been the Linux Optimus "go-to" solution for years now.

 

I was planning to do the same. Good luck on the osx. I had so many issues on ubuntu, I decided to stick with bash on windows 10 and virtualbox+ubuntu. Issues I had on ubuntu (some of these issues might have been fixed in a newer kernel):

1. Touchpad doesn't work on Ubuntu without adding a paramter in grub.cfg. So without external mouse, no desktop unless you add the parameter using tty1 or another os.

2. The headphone jack (first one out of the 3 jacks) isn't detected at all no matter what. No proper sound driver. So everytime I reboot between Windows and Ubuntu I have to change my earphone's jack between Line out and Headphone (Headphone jack has better amplifier and sound quality).

3. Nouveau (Open source nvidia driver) sucks. It can't detect display's resolution. Grub also can't detect display's resolution. So you boot first time on VGA resolution. Then you have to change Grub's resolution manually to 1920x1080. Now you get the resolution correct but the refresh rate is wrong. Eventually you have to install the closed source nvidia driver to have all resolutions and refresh rates show up. It is pain to install and pain to update. I would also recommend using rEFInd and dropping grub but the BIOS has a tendency to delete the rEFInd entry every time you mess with the boot entries.

4. I forgot since it was 3 months ago but I remember that if you install ubuntu under MsHybrid or DISCRETE, you get stuck with it. If you try to switch to the other, you get an empty screen when you want to access the desktop. Also MsHybrid (Optimus) doesn't work properly in Ubuntu.

5. I got stuck in boot loops after kernel updates multiple times. You start pulling your hair trying to figure the cause of the boot loop and then settle with formatting the drive and reinstalling ubuntu with a newer kernel.

So if you plan to use a linux distro beyond programming, you are going to spend half the time fixing things.

Hot swap eGPU wasn't possible until Razor made it a thing. I'd say a physical or software switch to hot swap the mux wouldn't be harder.

 

Hm, I think that's more of a product of TB III. Couldn't that already be done on chinese eGPU boxes?

 

Hotswap was made possible by Intel who are in control of the TB3 standard. eGPU was actually in the pipeline long before Razer got to it.

Beyond that, hotswap is also up to the OS and Driver. There's some niggles but it does actually work. My HTPC is a VM with PCIE passthrough GTX1060 and I can "Safely Remove" my GTX1060 from it which is interesting, if pointless.

 

@ John@OBSIDIAN-PC
what about your n850hp6?

 

Ok I was wrong about that. But still about the hotswap mux. Both igpu and dgpu outputs are connected to the input of the mux whose output is connected to the display.

It is like you have two hdmi ports. One for igpu and one for dgpu. You unplug the wire from one and replug it to the other. The mux does this work for you. You can already hot swap the display on hdmi ports.

 

I purchased this the other day..just awaiting its arrival now...

I noticed that the p950hp3/6 was announced with a slim chassis.. wondering if I made the right decision to get this or should I have waited...however, for the price and specs along with how it handles heat made it a no brainer to me...

 

I like to say it's basically a more advanced one of these bad boys from the 90s:

 

@HeardEmSay could you let me know what you think of it when you receive it? Like how it handles temp and stuff. Im still on the fence about it

 

Software controlled and a lot smaller, pretty much sums up most of what computing has done since it started lol.