Upcoming Intel Broadwell platform - H2 2014

In case there is no thread on this... I will make one.

There are still many rumors regarding Broadwell and no one knows exactly when it will hit the market.

According to our untrustworthy sources:
Core i7 4770K is king of Desktop till Q2 2014

It will probably come out sometime in Q2 2014 for notebooks.
If we are to believe anything from the past... then we can expect Broadwell to be officially released in June 2014 at Computex and notebooks with Broadwell it start shipping in July-August 2014.
Broadwell mobile CPUs are designated as Broadwell-M.


What will Broadwell bring new?

So far the only feature that is worth waiting for is eDP 1.4 support.
In fact almost all laptops using the Broadwell architecture should use eDP and not LVDS.
This means that we may see a lot of laptops with 3K and 4K resolutions next year.

Another key aspect is that Broadwell will be made on the 14nm process, which should translate in roughly 20% more CPU power at the same TDP and price-point and 30-40% more iGPU power.


I will keep you posted.

 

We will also get Haswell-E about a quarter or so after that.

 

I want to get a new machine next year, something with a 860 series nvidia GPU and 5700 series processor (or 5800, the ones with more instruction sets support).
Hopefully clevo has something better in mind regarding the chassis, here is what I dont want:
- no glossy/shiny plastic
- no sharp edges please...
- more oval shapes (my W370ET is pretty oval on all corners)
- a fixed 7.1 integrated audio with actual bass
- durable display hinges and overal stability
- the battery should NOT be placed on either corner, im sick of a wobbling laptop cause the feet on the battery are thinner than on the rest of the corpus

Overall im very very happy with my clevos thus far, but there is still room for improvement.
The CPU department however is as always rock solid with intel. Gotta love 8 threads on a mobile machine^^^^

 

Do you get wobble on your 150HM since my 150em and my current 570WM don't wobble with the foot being on the corner.

Also got to love 12 threads on a mobile machine

 

Intel likes to keep things fairly hush-hush until closer to the CPU's launch, so I doubt we'll have much info to predicate a lot of technical specifics on until later in 2014. At least we know Broadwell CPUs are the "tick" in Intel's tick-tock principle, which means a reduction in the fabrication size.

There will probably not be a noteworthy performance gain until the tock (Skylake).

 

Typically the tock is much nicer for mobile machines power wise though.

 

I agree. Although for the past 2 generations, most of the improvements for Intel CPUs have actually been to the iGPU, not the actual processing power.

 

I thought it's supposed to be this way



We'll see Haswell refresh and 9-series chipset in the middle of 2014 and in the end '14 early '15 Broadwell which should be compatible with Haswell refresh platform

 

That's for Desktop parts and yes, desktop parts will come late in 2014.

 

Yes mobile parts are supposed to get the new chips sooner. Which makes me concerned about the tweaking potential.

 

Core i3 Broadwell 14nm in Q4 2014

 

Way more interested in the gpus to be honest. These will be nice for 13" class machines and incremental for everything larger.

 

They won't help much with gaming though. I know Intel says they new iGPU will be very good, but with the new consoles out, I suspect that games will become far more graphically demanding in the next few years.

 

Yeah the AMD APUs could start to pull ahead again in the graphics department especially as bandwidth gets a kick with DDR4.

 

Yeah, but DDR4 will only come out in H2 2015 right ?

 

Yeah it's still pretty far out but time enough for it to accelerate (or go back I suppose).

 

Other stuff coming up:
NVIDIA Maxwell GM108 and GM107 Engineering Samples Spotted In the Wild (Nvidia rebrands in the lower-end)

Intel Haswell and Broadwell Microprocessor Variants Detailed

 

so the upcoming notebook broadwell will be ultrabook only i7 5600u? or a complete line i7 5700mq~5930mx!?

 

We will have complete line:

Broadwell-H (Mobile) - 55/35W (balls)
Broadwell-M (Mobile) - 55/35W (pins)
Broadwell-U (Ultra Low TDP) - ultrabooks
Broadwell-Y (Ultra Low Power) - ultrabooks

 

55W? Seriously?

 

All XM processors have been 55W ever since the first i7 for laptops. Nothing new here.

 

57W for the 4930MX.

I would much rather have a 55W option than have throttletastic 45W chips.

 

Looks like Clevo leaked some info this time...
New roadmap confirms mobile GeForce 800M series heading for February | VideoCardz.com

 

The 57W/47W was just because they moved the VR from the MB to the chip. So technically if these are down to 55W now they did improve power usage in addition to the speed bumps etc.

 

Or moved them back off, we will have to see.

 

And this:
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 880M | techPowerUp GPU Database


Graphics Processor
GPU Name: GK104
GPU Variant: N15E-GX-A2
Process Size: 28 nm
Transistors: 3,540 million
Die Size: 294 mm²
Graphics Card
Released: Feb 1st, 2014
Production Status: Unreleased
Bus Interface: MXM-B (3.0)
Clock Speeds
GPU Clock: 771 MHz
Boost Clock: 797 MHz
Memory Clock: 1250 MHz
5000 MHz effective
Memory
Memory Size: 8192 MB
Memory Type: GDDR5
Memory Bus: 256 bit
Bandwidth: 160 GB/s
Render Config
Shading Units: 1536
TMUs: 128
ROPs: 32
SMX Count: 8
Pixel Rate: 24.7 GPixel/s
Texture Rate: 98.7 GTexel/s
Floating-point performance: 2,369 GFLOPS
Reference Board
Slot Width: MXM Module
TDP: 122 W
Graphics Features
DirectX: 11.0
OpenGL: 4.4
OpenCL: 1.1
Shader Model: 5.0

If the core is GK104, it's basically nothing more than an slightly improved GTX 780M.
... or even just a rebrand with more GDDR5 memory. 8 GB of GDDR5 is absolutely useless for this card.
3 GB would have been more than enough. I do hope that the clocks will be higher than the 780M, it will also probably overclock much better.

There is no difference is specs from the 780M:
GPU Name: GK104
GPU Variant: N14E-GTX-A2
Process Size: 28 nm
Transistors: 3,540 million
Die Size: 294 mm²
Graphics Card
Released: May 11th, 2013
Production Status: Active
Bus Interface: MXM-B (3.0)
Clock Speeds
GPU Clock: 771 MHz
Boost Clock: 797 MHz
Memory Clock: 1250 MHz
5000 MHz effective
Memory
Memory Size: 4096 MB
Memory Type: GDDR5
Memory Bus: 256 bit
Bandwidth: 160 GB/s
Render Config
Shading Units: 1536
TMUs: 128
ROPs: 32
SMX Count: 8
Pixel Rate: 24.7 GPixel/s
Texture Rate: 98.7 GTexel/s
Floating-point performance: 2,369 GFLOPS
Reference Board
Slot Width: MXM Module
TDP: 122 W
Graphics Features
DirectX: 11.0
OpenGL: 4.4
OpenCL: 1.1
Shader Model: 5.0
VGA BIOS
Find graphics card BIOS for this card.
GPU-Z Validation
Find GPU-Z validations for this card.

 

Well, Im disappointed!!!! If Nvidia has the same stuff on sale next year, then why would anyone bother "upgrading"?
Maybe AMD could do something here, knowing 7970m and 8970m are the same stuff, maybe 9970m would be something new...

This is just....bah.

 

no, not another rebrand from NV!!!

 

If the clock speeds remain the same and the only "upgrade" is the 8 GB of GDDR5, then I gotta say is lol

 

If AMD does the same crap with their series, im simply not going to buy anything new next year.
My gtx660m still has some juice in it, might as well wait till 2015.

 

yes, n15e gx A2.......the only one that shows revision on clevo 2014 pdf
so others still have chance to be maxwell-based

 

OK, XM, but no 45W? Just 35W and 55W? (or 47W and 37W, whatever it is now).

 

Yes, they will be targeting lower power with 35W as average (this has been known about now for a little while), you should be able to TDP modify them to 45W.

 

Does anybody know if all the 35W parts will be quad core? From the little bit of information that has leaked, it seems like ULV and LV chips will be dual core, but regular mobile chips will all be quads?

I've wanted a Quad Core 13" Laptop and was hoping for that with Haswell, but obviously that didn't happen.

 

Yes they have been moving away from dual core for the regular chips.

 

More new from Fudzilla:
Haswell refresh should show up in Q2

Looks like the Haswell refresh will come out a but sooner than expected.

 

Looks like Haswell refresh in closer to 800M (most prob Kepler) based launch dates. No new info on mobile chips tho, but if they do refresh, new laptops would have the Haswell refresh and 800M chips as well.

Interesting news is Intel is happy with its 14nm resources at its fab. Broadwell might hit earlier than previously reported.
XBITLabs:We have all 14nm capacity we need - Intel
XBITLabs:Intel May Introduce First “Broadwell” Chips in Q3 – Report

 

Im disappointed both in this year's lineup and last year's lineup (GPU and CPU alike).
Especially this year.

Last year: same kepler stuff, same GCN for AMD. Rebrand FTW, nothing gained. Intel brings CPUs that are almost equal to Ivy Bridge (same clocks, lol) and "better" IGPUs (wooow.).
This year: more of kepler's crap, same stuff again (AGAIN!!!). AMD does it too (fu amd!!). Intel refreshes existing haswell (boohooo!) and broadwell arrives late this year, with NO NEW GPU's TO BACK IT UP!!!

What this means for me? No upgrade this year either. Didnt upgrade last year, was disappointed. Wont upgrade this year, cause its even more disappointing.
> Well played!
> Game is hard.

 

The 780m was worth getting out of bed for.

 

And that is precisely why I always have a smug smile on my face nowadays. My laptop's tech is almost 2 years old now, on the verge of TWO series later, and it's still very relevant. With minor overclocking and a solid drivers combination I'm up there in the 10% range of flagships on both teams. That was unthinkable when I started cloning rigs for gaming, my first "modern" GPU was the Nvidia 6600GT and less than two years later the 8800GTX was out and the leap was gargantuan. Was a good time to buy the 7970M I reckon I won't really be able to justify an upgrade for another good couple of years.

 

I had a feeling it was going to last some time.

 

I don't want to derail the thread, but one final thought on GPU development: I get a feeling that a lot of the bleeding edge games are becoming more demanding because of poor coding and not just pure rendering pressure. The top 3-4 games (BF, WoW, Witcher 2 ..etc) either still throttle although they've been released almost a decade ago, or display erratic performance. Is that why we're not seeing major leaps, in addition to depressed market demand and the economy?

 

Yeah. I really don't know how well gaming laptops will manage in the future.
Just by judging this forum, there used to be a lot more activity a 2-3 years ago.
Maybe I am wrong and sales are still strong, but this is something only resellers can confirm.

I think the future will be something which combines phone-tablet-laptop-desktop into one thing (I've already seen some concepts).

 

You are totally right. Engine development in the last 10 yrs may have seen dramatic changes in coding architecture but not in resource management. Also because technology (CPU and GPU) is constantly changing parameters more frequently than our good old days, I think there is lot of mismatch between various developers in coding.
If you seen now, ID software, Valve, Bethesda softworks, DICE etc. are major players and many companies just license out their engine for making even RPGs. These engine utilize many core features of new GPUs and softwares, inherently making them enormous and I think they have lost control IMO. Conclusion: engines are not written in an elegant and simple manner. As I pointed out the fault lies on both sides for a valid reason.

Dont worry. Gaming laptops are gaining traction but they are new to the market not to mention expensive. Average consumer will rather buy a $300 laptop which will take care of their needs, but may not run games (Back then a cheap PC could run games too - Big difference). Once gaming laptop prices reduce a little it will have a tremendous effect. Gaming laptops may lose to PCs in benchmarks but for average use they don't make much difference. So coupled with their advantage of mobility they will come out to be an equal alternative.

 

Oh they are not going anywhere. You can expect longer generations though simply because amd/nvidia/intel are increasing cycle lengths.

 

As expected die-shrinks will become more and more problematic:
Intel 14nm transition in trouble

I think that those who bought laptops with Intel CPUs from last year or this year, will still have plenty of computing power 5 years down the road.
I mean, my QX9300 is going strong in a laptop that is over 5 years old.

GPU wise, the 20nm node from TSMC will make a huge difference for laptops, but that's still somewhere down the road.

 

Q3 should be interesting