Updated Sager Models

News Update 8/31/2007:
Two Sager units to be updated in the near future

New NP9261:
Clevo has just informed Sager that they have finalized a major motherboard revision for the Clevo D901C. Ver.4.x will be updated to Ver. 5.1a, this board revision will officially support Intel G0-Stepping Quad Core processors.

Due to the major board level revision Sager will rename NP9260 to NP9261 and begin taking preorders for this new NP9261 on September 20th, we expect to start shipping the units before or around mid October’07.

New NP579x
As Sager has explained before, we will not be offering the new Intel X7800 / X7900 Mobile Extreme Edition processors on our NP5790 (Clevo M570RU). This is because the current hardware and case design requires 2 pre-conditions to be accepted during usage. 1. The unit must not operate in room temperature over 30c, 2. Intel Over Drive cannot be enabled.

Clevo R&D has already drafted the plans to enable the Intel Mobile Extreme Edition on their M570RU unit, which would require redesign of the bottom case shell and additional motherboard hardware revisions along possible additional fans and heat sink redesign.

As these are just early draft plans by Clevo M570RU R&D team, Sager at this time cannot provide when the unit would be ready, but the rough estimate end of Nov’07.

 

Nice update Justin.

Finally the official word... I was afraid of showing any info that was not official... so thanks.

This is the world first quad-core notebook officially now.


Now you can say that this is "hands-on" the world's fastest notebook for computing and gaming.... nothing close to it.

 

Thanks Gophn, It is nice to hear we finally have the confirmation for SAFE Quad Core use coming soon!

 

Depeding on what you call "soo" of course
In computer land, 3 months is an eternity

 

so will it be possible to use the T7800 processor ?
Also when will your prices for T7700 go down after Intel reduction on 9/2?

Thirdly, any news on whether Penryn mobiles which will be released Q1'08 can be used in 5790.

 

Sorry no info on Penryn at this time. The Intel prices will be updated next week

 

AWESOME! The NP9261 looks to be even more of a monster than the preceding NP9260...This will really take down even the most powerful non-SLI desktops out there.

QX6800, anyone?

 

How about supporting DX10 cards?

 

Until there's high-end DX10 support (at the very least, SLI 8700's), the amazing power of the 9260/9261 vs. a desktop just doesn't seem to be 100% complete from a cutting-edge gaming point-of-view

(Ya I admit it...I'm a hopelessly gullible victim of the Crysis DX10 eye-candy hype )

 

Justin,

What about the price? Is the NP9260 model being replaced by the New NP9261, or it will stay?

Justin excellent post

 

What does this mean for people who have bought the NP9260? Will they need to buy another laptop or willl they be able to upgrade? And if they can what is the estimated cost?

I don't know about other's but this worries me. Hopefully this pattern will not follow to the 8800M.

Thanks for the info Justin, keep us informed.

Trance
PS: Damn just bought mine, played for a 1.5 weeks and is on repair .... now this.

 

well i just ordered my m570ru with the intel T7500, since intel is going to reduce the price what do i do now?

i dont want the T7700 unless its definitely way cheaper,will this affect the price of the T7500? do you think i can call up Xoticpc and ask them for the discounted price next week?

 

For people who are wondering about prices.

http://xtreview.com/images-added.php?image=images/core-2-duo-extreme-mobile-x7900-01.jpg&id=2727

Edit: Also does anyone have any idea of when the new M579x will come out? My ebay auction for my MBP is going to end in 2h and I was going to buy a m5790RU. I really need the laptop soon for school but I would like the new design... I don't know what to do.

 

Argh!

That is good news, but at the same time, frustrating...if only I could have waited another couple of months *sighs*.

I would be interested to know also if there will be an upgrade path. I don't see why there wouldn't be, it's just whether or not they are willing to do it.

 

It appears that this only buys the capability to use a quad core on a 9260. No reason to wait in my opinion unless your anxious to part with your money in order to get a quad core CPU.

There are a few other posts in these forums showing minimal performance increases in 3DMark06 for quad vs. dual. Most of you performance is going to be tied up in your GPU selection. Also quads aren't really supported to the max yet.

I'm going to buy my new 9260 at the beginning of next week. I don't see any need to wait until the 9261 arrives... unless it lowers the cost of my 9260 .

As far as upgrading your existing 9260 I suspect that's possible since it's just a mobo change -- no mention of housing. Probably not cheap, especially after dropping $3500 for a great notebook already.

 

Ok guys, the way I understood it is that it is going to be a board update and not a board upgrade. To me that means a BIOS update. Like I said in one of my posts under NP9260 hindrance thread, I am not concerned with quad at the moment, for gaming E6700 will run just about anything now and the near future. The most important thing at least for gaming are the VGAs. Now that the quad battle is almost settled, it would be interesting to find out about the 8800M when they come out. That would be where I will do my upgrade. Plus 2 more gigs of ram when Vista becomes stable.. and maybe one of those Turbo HDs with no latency when they get below $1000..lmao

Ah the obsession with frame rate..

 

I think you are mistaken WackMan. If that was the case why would they be taken pre-orders and have an expected ship date sometime in October?

Anyway, I'm not thinking about upgrading to Quads really. My worries are more concerned about if this is a usual pattern that will spread over the 8800M too.

This is my first Clevo you know and I hope one can trust the brand in terms of quality as quality is also about predictability. Before I had DELL, HP and Toshiba and whatever I read about a laptop of them anywhere it was confirmed, now Clevo ... i'm still learning the deal.

I was not expecting a mobo revision so soon but is the better have one then none

Cheers,

Trance

 

I'm still amazed at the wall of silence from Clevo with regard to DX10 support in the 9260...even for the lowly 8700M, let alone the coveted 8800M if it ever comes into existence.

They've sure spent a lot of time looking into the quad core issue (and regardless of the end result, I give them credit for addressing this and keeping us informed along the way)...but it's pretty clear that DX10 is WAY more of a concern to new and existing customers than quad core ever was. I hafta imagine they have been doing AT LEAST as much R&D on DX10 but are still scrambling for a solution. And yet...not a peep with regard to how things are going

It would be an utter disaster, IMO, if the next announcement a few months from now was a whole new "9262" revision in order to support DX10!! :wub:

 

wow, that's pretty impressive. now, when they start shipping 10k rpm drives with quadcores i'll start crying tears of joy

 

These little baby steps are killing me.

Where's DX10?

The soon to be released Dell XPS 1730 will have SLI 8700M GT but only 256MB. Wha???? only 256MB?

Guess I'll have to wait another year for the 8800M series.

 

wow I just bought a 570ru like 3 weeks ago

 

The known problem in ICT
Buy something, and by the time you receive it, it's outdated

 

Yep really interested in knowing the price of a mobo upgrade. Are we talking1000° $ or are we talking in the 300... Has there ever been similar practice in the past where a laptop got a mobo upgrade and it was possible to get one for the old model? Will it be possible to just get the mobo and do it yourself like the gfx cards... Hmm makes me wonder.

 

the mobo upgrade will not be cost effecient. the mobo alone costs at least $500 dollars, plus shipping, plus a quad cpu, plus installation = $1k

they keep your existing motherboard and label that as refurbished to sell or use for repair services.

don't count on the 8800m to work without another motherboard revision if the thermal requirements are higher than what we have now.

 

so what your saying is everyone who bought a NB with MXM-IV should forget about swapping GPUs because of the higher power requirements. if thats the case then why Clevo says UPGRADEABLE.....

what can it possibly be upgradeable to if the newer 8800 has higher power consumption.

the way i see it:
1- 8700m gt in clevos (marketing ploy saying its upgradeable)

2- 8700m gt SLI (switch attention of users to SLI and forget about the single card upgrade ability)

3- 8800 or 8700m gtx or whatever ( different cooling and power requirements, so badass that everyone wants one and are pissed off about buying previous 8700 NBs so they go ahead and cough up more money on a new laptop and have a go on selling their old one)

this my friend is ridiculous.

 

Well. In theory the 9X00s that fit in MXMIII would be compatable. In the future. That is, if MXMrev2(aka MXM2, but thats confusing with MXMII, so im gona start saying revx.), is still backwards convertible to MXMrev1 after removing the supposed big change of the standardized heatsink.

That is, if MXMrev2 ever comes, which I see as about a 1/3, another 1/3 would be it coming without it, and another 1/3 that the whole 9X00 gen will just ignore mxm XD... but yeah...

That said, supposely theres supposed to be a 22w+ 8800m in the line. Yes, it seems like a streach, but thats MXMII... Which...

So, one way or another "upgradable" qualifies as much as it does on a pcie desktop. They could randomly stop using pcie and move to another thing(abiet, they wont, because itd be dumb market wise, but unlike the desktop market the notebook market is not as, in place, in this manner, nor as... public) And they would have a valid excuse, with the result of it never being upgradible. Infact, i seem to recall this occuring with one model of the area 51...

 

Let me see if I understand this correctly. The new NP579x will support the Intel Mobile Extreme processors, be able to run in rooms with temperatures over 30c (86F), and allow Intel Over Drive (all of which the NP5790 is unable to handle)?

While on the subject of updates for Sager/Clevo systems would XoticPc (Justin), Powernotebooks (Donald), or any other Sager/Clevo retailer care to comment on the upgrade-ability of the NP579x beyond the 8700M GT?

Many people on the forum are of the belief that the it will be (or is) straight MxM upgradeable, but from a discussion I had with a Sager Sales Rep a while back I was told that the NP5790 would not be MxM upgradeable.

Sager/Clevo resellers what has Sager (and/or Clevo) told you about the ability (or lack thereof) of being able to upgrade their NP579x with regards to graphic cards/chips beyond the 8700?

 

Well apparently when Clevo introduced the D900C and M750RU they specifically claimed that both would be able to support the 8800M when it was evenutally released:
http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=3576

That would certainly raise my comfort level if I was an existing owner but as one who is on the brink of buying one, I still have too much doubt. I really don't care about quad core, so I woudn't hesitate getting an existing D900C/9260 if I had confidence in MXM and 8800M upgradibility.

One question I do have though: The article linked above had a link to a D900C preview that stated that the D900C was supposed to have a 280W power supply:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?p=1854605

It seems however, that it ended up shipping with a 220W power supply instead (only Eurocom seems to list a 280W power supply in the specs). Does anyone have any background info as to why it ended up with a 220W power supply instead of 280W? Can the existing model actually handle 280W if provided with an upgraded brick?

In yet another link, a poster here suggested that with a 280W power supply, there should be no worries about the 8800M, so I'm wondering if the same holds true for 220W?:
(quoting from http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=2023227&postcount=3 )
"5) According to the media the 8800M GTX consume around 25W. What is the max voltage that D900C gives to the video card?..."

"...The only thing I know is that the D900C has a 280W power supply, which should be able to handle the 8800M GTX just fine..."

 

Not sure if this is a new update on the Sager website's 9260 customization order page or not, but it states the following warning for those who order a single 8700M card:


( http://www.sagernotebook.com/product_customed.php?pid=74&action=customize)

Coulda sworn I visited Sager's website within the last couple weeks and a single 8700M option was not available at the time, but who knows...visited way too many websites so mind is a blur

Oh well...wonder if the hardware limitation for 8700M SLI is on the card itself or the motherboard? At the very least, this raises the likelihood of at least single card support for the 8800M in future...

 

Thanks G_T_S... By the way, i just noticed that on the page for the 5790, it says:

8800M, methinks?

 

I think they're referring to the 8700m.

 

so what exactly will be new at the 5790 or m570ru?

 

I definitely visited the website last week on Thursday (for price matching purposes). There was no mention of the single 8700GT at that time.

 

Thanks for the confirmation, Kozi....

It's a relief to know that I'm not going senile

 

Prices just dropped today at the Xoticpc website!

Oh life is good.

 

considering that i ordered by 5790 early august and it still hasn't been shipped i am going to contact them and get the free upgrades. it is definitely good.

 

What free upgrades? You mean upgrading from a 5790 to a 9260? You're still going to have to pay the difference.

 

i emailed them last week about upgrading the processor from 2.0 to 2.2 and downgrading the hard drive from 160GB to 100GB, which should be about a $50 change both directions. With the pricing change and downgrading the hard drive i should now be able to get the 2.4. (i have actually had a very mixed experience with xoticpc so far, so i hope this isn't an issue for them. i would really hate to have to cancel my order or return the laptop to get a refund)

 

How would that be a free upgrade?

You're losing something to gain something else.

O_O

 

the semantics were a bit off. but since i had already asked them to make the change i see going from 2.2 to 2.4 basically as free because of the pricing change. so there! in your face! i win a burrito! (unless xoticpc says no. then i win having to request a refund, which will disappoint me greatly)

 

They should have no problem with what you want to do. It's a simple order change...but if they already built your system, that would be something to frown upon.

 

i cant see any reason they would be building it and not shipping it...i ordered on august 8th and am still sitting on my hands waiting for it.

 

Sheesh...with that kind of delay they should accommodate your request regardless of where things stand with the build

 

one would hope.

 

Whatever happened to the SATA 300 drives?

 

There's a typo on the webpage with the recent updates. Most of the 7200 RPM drives state SATA150. I believe those are really SATA300. The 5200 RPM drives are SATA150.

 

Maybe. But both Powernotebooks and Xotic PC list the 7200 rpms as SATA 150. Incidently, so does Sager's website.

 

If you are referring to just SATA-II (300 MB/s) harddrives for notebooks:
- it DOES NOT matter because the harddrives with SATA-II are backwards compatible with SATAI-150.
- SATA-II (300MB/s) DOES NOT matter because the notebook harddrives (as well as most desktop drives) will not take advantage of that data rate... due to the limitations (mainly the 7200 rpm). Only the desktop SCSI and Raptor drives with 10,000 rpm can take advantage of that kind of band.

So it might seem like a nice option, but notebook HDD's will NOT fully take advantage of the SATA-II... so it does not matter to use that as a factor for purchasing a notebook.

 

Thanks, as always, Gophn.

 

But the 9260 Clevo manual states the controller is SATA-II. Also I've purchased 7200RPM drives that are 3.0GB/s for my desktop.

The 9260 does use a desktop chipset so I'm hopeful that it can utilize the full 3GB/s interface bandwidth.

Maybe some benchmarking is in order .

I place my 9260 order this morning with Xotic. I'm going to benchmark the tar out of it when it arrives... Vista vs XP, OC and not OC, dual core XP patch, etc. I'll add HDD performance in there as well.

Should be a nice report that I can post. I'm sick that way .