Upgradeable Graphics? np8662

Because the gtx 260m in the np8662 was a bit of a disappointment, I am considering upgrading it in the future. Is that possible to do this with this rig?
The rest of the laptop (processor, motherboard, memory) seems future proof for at least a couple years.

 

We can't tell if we don't know what's coming next . Since the laptop is only 15" heat is the big issue.

 

ok, then how about an educated guess?

 

Next cards will be mxm IV so I don't think there's much upgradable content coming up. But hey clevo might surprise us

 

I always thought that all 8800M, 9800M, 200M on Clevo's are MXM IV.

 

The next MXM GPU's will likely be MXM 3.0 (not the same as MXM III), and won't be compatible.

Of course, there is still a chance that some of the new GPU's will be MXM III/IV, but whether they'd be supported in the BIOS is a different matter.

 

Why is the GTX 260M a disappointment?

 

if you compare the benchmarks of 9800m gt and gtx 260m they are very similar.
this card disappointed me because i was expecting a big leap in performance.
also, i don't see any other significant benefits of this card

 

the GTX 260M is one step ahead of the 9800M GT (8800M GTX)

... and the GTX 280M is a step ahead of the 9800M GTX

thats how its going to be for mobile GPUs.... been that way for a long time.

one step at a time.

the huge jumps in mobile Nvidia graphics were:
- Nvidia Geforce Go 6800 (NV45) to 7800 (G70M)
- 7950GTX (G71M) to 8800M GTX (G92M)
- ....next?? do not know yet .... its not the 260M/280M (thats for sure)

its still incremental steps now with small improvements on the G92M

 

for now though, there are currently NO video cards besides the 4850/4860 that can hold a straw to the gtx 260m in terms of raw graphical performance in a 15.4. To be honest i think its still damn good given that they take less wattage consumption (or so i beleive)

 

What makes me laugh is people that get *upset* because their laptop doesn't perform well. Boohoo, buy a desktop then . But really, just like other people have said, Nvidia seem to only be taking baby steps at this point. It's only been revisions.

 

Just bought a Quadro FX 3700M, waiting for the arrive. Let´s see how it will perform...

 

why not get the GTX 280M.

its cheaper, its the same specs but with higher clocks and...

most importantly... smaller die, so the temps will be better in such a small environment for a the M860TU

 

Yeah i know, but seperate 280 is still nowhere to get....Don´t know how long will have to wait....

 

its available separately.

RJtech.com (page 2) is selling each for ~$450-490

and any other Clevo vendor will probably sell it to you if you contact them.

 

hmmm.. stilll none in stock, ETA 2-3 weeks......PS: i got the FX37 for $450, not bad i think.

 

the TDP and heat on that thing is a beast.

someone emailed me and told me they stuck it in their M570TU... and it was still hot.

I do not think its going to do better in the smaller M860TU.

But $450... that is a good deal, I will agree with that.

 

I think it is all too easy to forget just how far graphics inside of laptops has evolved. Perhaps we are expecting too much.

I have no doubt that I will be content with the GTX260M and when you look back to how weak graphics inside of laptops used to be, perhaps one will appreciate it a lot more today.

 

I am very much content with all the parts in my system and it is reinforced anytime I see a laptop with integrated graphics and a processor that can only handle complex calculations in excel.

Be happy you got a mobile gaming rig when compared to such devices like that.

 

Even if graphical capabilities were ten times as good as they are, we still want more. I think you're right we should be sataisfied as buyers albeit, satisfied for a greater term of time. After all it's also good to progress too.

 

I don't mind sacrificing some power for portability- I haven't owned a desktop since 2000--

Heck, even the xbox and ps2 slim is too confining...

 

With emphasis on "guess" - that would be most likely not, primarily for the reasons stated by other posters.

The fact of the matter is, when Clevo GPUs are described as "upgradeable" that word should really be read as "replaceable" - meaning that you, the user, can disconnect the existing GPU and plug another copy of the same GPU back in, e.g., if you blew your first GPU.

It is, of course, within the real of theoretical possibility that there might be a forthcoming GPU that will fit into, and be compatible with, the NP8662, but that possibility would have to be ranked pretty far down the list of probabilities, as in much less than a 50/50 chance.

This issue has been a constant thorn, irritating way too many owners who think that the fact that the GPU is theoretically upgradeable means that it will in fact be upgradeable insofar as a better GPU will be released in the future for the system in question. To date, there has been very limited upgrade possibilities with the 962x series and the 579x series, but even there, a motherboard upgrade was required to go from 8700s to 8800s.

So, bottom line is, you would do yourself a world of good if you simply assumed that the GPU was not upgradeable, merely replaceable, and then who knows, you just might get a pleasant little surprise if Clevo releases a step-up GPU for your system.

 

I can't possibly imagine how much faster a laptop will be 10 years down the line... heck even 5 is a big jump. Seeing as how fast technology advances today, im sure we'll be able to see at least 15k in 3dmark06 in about 5 years.

 

Will likely hit that within a year.

 

Wrong, both the GTX 280M and GTX 260M have a chip fabricated at 55nm while the 9800M GTX has a chip fabricated at 65nm. This means that, compared to the 9800M GTX, both the GTX 280M and the GTX 260M have: higher maximum speeds (because the chip is smaller things can travel around faster), lower rates of power consumption*, and less heat generation*. Now lets get onto the other differences. The GTX 260M is otherwise the same as the 9800M GTX, but clocked higher; thus it is one step ahead of the 9800M GTX, not the 8800M GTX. The GTX 280M is otherwise the same as the 9800M GTX, but it has 16 more shaders and is clocked higher; thus it is 2 steps ahead of the 9800M GTX. Both chips are more powerful than the 9800M GTX.

*in proportion to rates of performance

 

Same thing but in a bigger mouthful.

 

you can say that if you want.

But its still a modified mobile G92... not a move to a another GPU platform.

the next big jump will be when Nvidia creates a mobile GT200 GPU.

I have been in this high-end gaming notebook game for a while, I know what I know.

 

true, just stating that the GTX 260M is essentially a higher clocked 9800M GTX as oppose to a 8800M GTX

 

So am I correct in thinking that there is no way you could put a 280M into a M860TU?

If so is this because of heat issues or the fact that clevo won't release bios support for that chip?

 

it will fit....

correct.

wait on kaltmond.... whom is about to attempt it with a Quadro 3700M (same specs and hotter than GTX 280M) in his M860TU.

 

That will be very interesting - did anyone ever try and run the 9800M GTX in the M860TU?

I guess if I decide to go for a 260M it's a bigger jump for me than those with 9800 GT cards.

 

kaltmond already is using the 9800M GTX in his M860TU.

the 260M will perform about 10-15% better than the 9800M GT in overall performance.

 

really you think so? I dunno which video card would be capable of doing that XD, maybe an i7 15.4?

 

are you talking about 3dmark06 or vantage? Because 16k has already been broken by Johnksss with 06, using my system below (just overclocked).

 

i mean single card solution xD and 15.4