What to improve on...

I thought resellers were not to post here, but I see they are so it's ok?

Anyway I would like to see smaller form factor (size and weight) of the power bricks. For example, the 330 W PSU for the Alienware M18x is smaller and lighter than the x7200 300 W PSU.

It is possible to do...

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Lol they're not supposed to, but they did anyways I don't really care if they do or do not lol

Mr. Mysterious

 

Sager push Nvidia into making the 580M type graphics in MXM A (similar power) and building a thin and light gaming BEAST. Thats my dream lappy. Sorry I dont own Sager, but I made my cousin buy NP8150!! Now im jealous.

 

120hz screens for everyone and all builds?

 

Yes!

10char

 

A chipset that supports raid (hm 67) on the 15" models. (for those of us that remove the ODD)
I actually use the speakers pretty often so I would like some better quality like what MSI has in their laptops.
I'm sure this isn't something sager/clevo can do but, unlock the voltage on AMD cards.
Smaller more efficent power brick.
120hz screen on 15" model even with AMD cards.
As others have said, 16:10 screen! I love 1200p.
For my power button I have to press the very bottom of the button for it to power on. Pressing a button like you normally would won't work.

 

Sager doesn't manufacture the shells, they are just the NA reseller. Clevo is the source of all these laptops.

 

Hmmm....maybe this is too much of a request but swappable chipsets/motherboards ...

Lol look into the future!

 

^ They wont do that since they wont make money.

 

1200 screen option (IPS would be awesome but won't hold my breath for that).
Switchable/optimus graphics on the high end models (if the user can toggle between the IGP and GPU without restarting especially if on the fly has too much of a draw back/performance hit that would be fine if not better).
Improved warranty (if dell can do a 4/5 year next business day with accidental cover Clevo can, right??).


Question for the resellers, are you guys able to pass these suggestions onto Clevo or do you just live in hope like the rest of us posting here?

 

Yeah...which is why I said, "Too much to ask."

 

I'd wager this forum is read by Clevo engineers (guys why don't you register?) - there's no other place on the interweb like it. Technical but not down to transistors and logic gates so as to lose focus on the gaming fun. The problem is that Clevo seem to be content with what they do, their size and their place in the market. I've never seen a company try so little to spread the word and just ... grow. Heck they make great products, yet 99% of people have never heard of them. Most of the suggestions in this thread will be ignored because Clevo want to be an unknown small scale manufacturer of top tech at low prices. If you start adding speakers and 1200x1900 and bigger batteries etc etc then they end products will become expensive. Even if you have these things as options, some reviewer is inevitably going to ask for one notebook 'fully kitted out' with all the bells and whistles and will proceed to give it a 6/10 because it costs $5000 and weighs 8kg.

 

When there are concerns that arise on a particular machine or feedback on new additions we communicate with Sager Engineering and it gets relayed to Clevo. Over the years there have been some unique firmwares provided by Clevo due to Sager Engineering requesting changes from feedback received by customers here on NBR and through other channels.

 

Now that I actually have the laptop in hand I just wanted to chime in on a few things.

On the P150HM with the rubberized finish the trackpad is super sticky. Most of the time I use mouse, but during class or general browsing I use the trackpad.

A more responsive power button. Not a big deal, but I'm not used to the harder press yet.

Physical keys/switches for WiFi without the Function key.
Same for volume/media buttons.

I stick with my UEFI support ;-)

Some of these things have already been mentioned, but these are the things that jump at me first.

But these things are minor. Overall, this thing is amazing.

 

1. Unlocked BIOS (XTU). Clevo, I'm not a f...... kid with AW!
2. 300W (or more) power supply.
3. IPS display.
4. Backlit keyboard.

 

A laptop that doesn't have a track pad, and instead has just a the trackpoint/pointing stick/nipple. After owning 3 thinkpads, I never use the trackpad anyways: just a mouse or the nipple. It's so much simpler to use, with no need to move around my fingers/hand a ton while never moving my hand away from the keyboard.

 

^ Some people still need a trackpad, it all depends what the specific person does. A lot of people will disagree with your idea.

 

The only thing I miss having is media buttons. Being able to skip or replay songs without minimizing my games would be awesome.

 

yeah that's why it would be an option. could be one version with, and one without

 

I would love another little nub on the down arrow key, similar to those found on the "F, J" keys. Very used to having one and find it difficult to relocate my fingers to it with the Sager keyboard setup as is.

 

and on the wasd keys

 

Not so much on that one for myself. I find I simply know where they are based off of the position of the "F" key as my fingers are already on "asd".

 

I hear they're testing backlit keyboards right now, so it's looking good for future models.

Two HDD bays on the 15" isn't a big deal for me. I'd just use the DVD drive as a second bay and a USB DVD drive on the extremely rare occasions that I need it these days.

The only other big thing is Optimus with the more powerful GPUs - this is what stopped me from getting a Clevo this summer.

 

Optimus is a headache waiting to happen. I'd rather have a manual GPU switching.

 

Have a read of this from AnandTech and optimus does extremely well and they reported no problems with it and praised how much better it was then AMD solution.

 

I too would prefer a manual switch.

 

I would prefer a slightly better keyboard layout.

The keys themselves are fine for a notebook, but I have some gripes for the layout.

I reallllllly miss a dedicated home/end button. In the current setup they are tied to the Fn key (on the arrows).

Also, although I have gotten used to the spot, I would prefer the delete key to be in the extreme top right corner instead of buried between the Ins and and division key.

Glossy screen border is a fingerprint magnet that I wouldn't miss.

 

no! lol, even though WASD is considered the 'standard' movement control for games, it is not the only option.

Cut us lefties some slack haha. IJKL for life

 

I haven't noticed fingerprints on the bezel because I don't touch it ever, really. When do you come into contact with it, besides opening and closing the laptop?

 

I already spoke about keyboard layouts, but how about sechsay, easy to find Fn+ keys, like on this devilTech system, reviewed by notebookcheck:

 

Hardware volume control. Just a simple slider on the side or front of the machine would do.

 

General remarks skip what is already there.

Front or side has problems for some end users that uses it as a laptop on their laps. Dell E1705 has 7 media buttons front center on the curved edge and the day that you need to put it on your lap your belt buckle or something would continuously press against it.

Buttons/slider/wheel something needs = yes, possible place it close to the screen hinges above the keyboard.
Slider/wheel has issues if living close to the ocean and corrosion / buildup of something, so 1 year later and the slider / wheel is useless.

Original post: 5/6/18 is not important to me. Having a option for 4G or wimax is nice but then you have issues with sim cards for 4G 802.11ac would be ideal but that is still some time away.

The fans: they should really consider using delta / zigzag type blades as they are more efficient and less sound.

Changeable video card = major selling point, if I can not change it then no sale or I go to someone that has changeable gpu's options.

Power supply choices: The stupidity of the 8130/8150 being 100% the same except you are forced to only get a weak power supply with the 8130 is silly and 8150 with 560m still only has the expensive strong power supply.
Give the end user choices, I want a 8130 with strong power supply now so that when I upgrade the gpu later all is well.
Same for 8150, I need it to travel so give me the weak power supply as option to safe money and travel light.

This way user can spend that $130 saving on something useful not power hungry related.

Standard screen: both options mat and useless glosy/glare screen option, still don't know what idiot decided everyone must have the garbage Glare only options or pay extra from glare to mat because of factory / manufacturers design defects. They should be glad they have a idiot paying $130 extra for a Mat screen not charge them $130+$130 to punish their customers.
They could also make like Apple mat screen with glare cover over on the Imacs. So screen with extra clip on cover = glare. See 2008 Imac 20" repair guide.

Dual hard drive should be standard in 15" and bigger otherwise I can buy a Dell / HP or something. Raid yes by user choice enabled / disabled.

Mouse pad, many times I travel without a mouse so need the mouse pad to be gaming good same as old Dell E1705.

The alienware square zit keyboard is well odd if the keyboard is backlit and possible beveled square edges then it would be better and spacing for bigger chubby fingers would be good especially when tired with skinny fingers.

Palm rest area if you are going to spend 6+ hours a day with your palms on the palm rest area then it should be comfortable and not discolor or get blemished, same with the keyboard keys becoming glossy or looking ugly.

Power supply cable side or back placing is debatable, would prefer a L or 7 shaped connector for laptop + power cable get together area.

Maybe 1 size fits all power able that fits from 8130 to 8170 so if buying the high power power supply then it is generic for all sager laptops + it needs to be properly earthed not barefoot on tile floor arch welding your legs under laptop problem that many laptops have.

Laptop hinges is a big problem on most laptops after 1 year of 6+ hours a day usage.

Memory placement is debatable but hard drive hot swap would be ideal similar to Dell E1705 or old tape deck method work wonders for me currently on a old Dell E1705 "7950gtx" This is mostly dew to 1 hard drive at a time problem. Dual / triple drive and this is not that a big deal.

Fan placement and using a laptop as a laptop on your lap and blocking / restricting the air vents is a big problem. They should test designs for normal dining chair seat posture, figure S slumped on bed or chair and then budda pose cross legs where it rest on the corners of the laptop and each leg and stomach triangle resting spot. Also then on a table, but if you have a table you would have a desktop so how important is a table.

Easily few as possible screws access to SSD's / ram / cpu / gpu & fans.
Maybe build one large similar to 7950gtx dual fan radiator cooling system as this is a great design and should one fan get blocked or fail the other fan can still bring down the gpu temp.
Example: google for image / repair guide e1705 7950gtx = briliant concept poor design.

Webcam never used one since 2003 never will again but could be handy. Allow users to disable the spy cam "webcam" or be able to unplug it as no one wants to be seen on youtube in their underwear / naked without their consent because of some hacking from a school / university / overlord / facebook security holes. (Webcam and security risk)

Stupid finger print scanner crap, what idiot uses that, same goes for TPM total waist of money. Will use some duck tape to cover it up.

Memory card slots: sdcard is okay that can handle multiple types, sdcard with micro sd but even with that using usb dongle to micro hd/sdcard so this is debatable.

pci-express 34/54 is nice to have, firewire is useless with thunderbolt and usb3.0/4.0, photo guys usually don't buy anything else than Apple.

Firmware want default firmware and then with say alt+f1 have advanced clock settings and other stuff for overclockers / underclockers, EUFI is cute but please please do not hello kitty the EUFI bios, customers of Sager is intelligent so they would need specific options in the EUFI bios. Keep it professional.

Also maybe time to update the chipset on the laptop mboards, 2011 *79 for the larger desktop cpu's or 1155 cpu's what ever is more practical, same for the 2860qm's something that is not 3 years old provided it brings a performance advantage.

More options on the video cards, 6970, 6990, 7*70, 7*90, 570m, 580m, 590m
Any reason why there is only 60m sli and 580m sli and if really lucky 6990m xfire but no 6970 xfire ?
Tight budget = 570m/6970, lots of cash = 6990.

Default refference = Xcotipc.
Avadirect website is a pain to navigate, same goes for several other websites including Alienware.

Hope this help.

 

2 things I would need to be 100%:

1. Backlit Keyboard - no need for fancy lights. just light it up on demand. I need this sometimes.

2. Nvidia Optimus or sth similar on all models. - we all need battery once in a while

 

a volume rocker

 

Fn+F10 disables the webcam.

 

KJ2.0 can you confirm if the webcam would stay off even with this link story trojans / spying ?

Or is duck tape or cutting the webcam wires then still the best ugly solution ?
No idea why they would want to see me with little / few clothing in my private environment, but there is weirdo's out there.

Red Tape - Chaos Computer Club: German gov't software can spy on citizens

"The program is capable of logging keystrokes, activating Webcams, monitoring Web users' activities and sending mountains of data to government officials, the club said."

 

If you're that concerned, the simplest solution is to not even install the webcam driver.

 

The ability to update graphics drivers from AMD's website without issues. Using outdated drivers from Sager's website is not acceptable on a gaming rig where driver optimization is a must.

 

I guess Me=Idiot.

 

Indeed, it's must faster than typing in my password.

 

They've been said before but things I'd like the most changed from current models: Backlit keyboard and better numpad and arrow key separation.

The guy who dissed the fingerprint scanner IMHO didn't think that through since he ranted about webcams being a potential privacy/security threat, yet somehow something better than a string of characters to protect against unauthorized logon is idiocy

 

Just want to say Mr Mysterious YOU ARE AWESOME!
Really helped me pick and then set up my P151HM1 (which i love)

So far I haven't run into any technical problems that I'd liked fixed apart from the Headphone amp which has been mentioned.

The only criticisms I can make are stylistic.
1. The corners need rounding, as someone with fairly wide shoulds I'm constantly rubbing my wrists on the corners and it isnt all thta pleasnet.
2. When the casing is matte plastic why is the frame around the display glossy? It's distracting to see my hands and eyes reflected around the screen and the static that it clearly builds (evident from the dust and fluff) is a slight annoyance.

I'm not searching for problems and these are very minor and I believe easily remedied.

Again thank you Clevo for what appears to be a top product and I look forward to learning more about hardware and contributing to NBR.com

 

I know it's already in the OP...

but a different power supply figure or design would be more than appreciated. It's not a big deal for the folks who stay at home, but the power supply prevents me from using a small carrier bag for the laptop and so I have to use a backpack. Not a huge deal, but I know smaller yet equally powerful supplies are out there. Also, a different way to wrap up the cords would be good also. The cords are kinda clunky as is

 

^^^Yes I did not see my request yet on page 1...

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Soon as the Cooler Master USNA 120 is selling, I'm buying.

 

It's only rated at:
18 - 20Vdc / 19Vdc 5.79A
4.75 - 5.25Vdc / 5V 2A


We need 19V 6.3A. This one might do the same thing the Kensington Compact 120W one does... seems to run ok, but then under load, it shuts off randomly sometimes, and cannot run at all under load without the battery in (an indicator that it is ill-equipped for our machines).

If you decide to buy though, please let me know about how it works for you.

 

Thought I'd add a vote for a couple of the ones already on the OP. Had the system for over 9 months now, so i feel it's pretty battle tested by now.

1) Keyboard layout. Already noted, but even after 9 months, i still find it odd. I realize that in a 15 incher, a numpad is a bit of a luxury, but I'm pretty sure I'd prefer either A) slighly thinner keys that accommodate a 4 column numpad or B) no numpad, but dedicated buttons on the right for some common functions, such as volume up, or volume down. (I actually feel this is an even bigger need for the 17 and 18 inch clevo systems.)

2) Edges. Maybe a slightly different finish would also fix this, but I'd like to see a little more of a rounded over edge on the palm surface.

3) Keep the option for non-optimus systems. I know it goes against a lot of the convential wisdom, but a lot of these systems, (such as mine) spend the vast majority of their time attatched to the wall. My brother has had problems regarding optimus and his alienware m14x. Those are problems I'd prefer to avoid.

Apart from that, 9 months in, i see a little clouding on one of the edges of the screen, but it's minor enough i haven't deemed it a problem. Hinge is slightly looser than it was when i bought it (When it was new, you could get the palmrest off the ground if you lifed the lid slowly enough, a feat which the laptop no longer does.) but again, not a real problem. I suppose these things are normal wear and tear, but hey, we're naming areas where something can improve.
Lastly, I'd like to gripe about the power cord and the attached bulb about 3 inches from where you plug it in to the laptop. It gets caught in odd places more often than i would like. If possible, maybe put that somewhere else.

Edit: Forgot about the headphone jack. It fits some headphone jacks too tightly I've found, and could use a slight re-tune.

 

Sandy Bridge E does not have IGP so it might happen that clevo releases these in which case you would not have optimus.

 

5 A shutter for the webcam, I know I saw there is a keyboard switch but a little thing to cover the webcam would be nice, instead of doing some hokey tape or something.

 

Saw something about improved battery life, perhaps an option to use the cdrom bay as an extra battery. I've seen this in some laptops.