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Not in High Performance systems.
If we can use this worn sentence for Notebooks (we talk about laptops). It's a reason we do not have BGA chips in INTEL's HEDT processor series for desktops.
All know
HEDT stands for High end in the desktop world (as well call it High Performance). LGA + MXM for laptops is the nearest we can come HIGH END desktops. BGA simply don't fit here.
The internet is chock fulla turds. Not much you can do about that. They let any damn body use the innanets. I often stifle the living sh|t outta myself here because I've gotten used to the discourse style of 4chan.
Yeah but its not really my argument. Is it possible to configure DTR's for a longer battery life (I assume you can) and if so how much life can you obtain through user configuration. Is it possible for a DTR to be used in elements that are not within its strengths (battery life).
Is it possible to disable the GPU on the fly ? I am not sure about that anymore with Pascals dislike of LVDS and optimus (meaning an Intel HD having presents to drive the panel). We all know DTR's bring quite a bit of power, its what they are championed for.
There is no connected iGPU for LGA laptops. You can put up your own power profiles in ThrottleStop if you want lower clocks (BGA clocks for lower power).
Then the next stage would be to reduce the power consumption of the GPU since it cant be disabled, You would have a profile for CPU and GPU for when on battery. At that point I wonder what kind of battery life one can hope to gain.
Of course this would just be a profile for when your away from the dorm and in classes for a few hours and then can switch back to High performance operations when back in the dorm or w/e static position.
It's quite expected DTRs that contain (200W graphics + 95W CPU) will need its share of battery life vs. an ultra portable 15 inch turd containing 15w or 45w cpu
crippled down to 35w with DPTF and iGPU instead of dGPU connected. 90Wh battery is not enough. With a larger 99Wh which is the maximum you can have in laptops would not make the big difference. This is from NBR's review.
Im also interested in lowering power of gpu as.much as can as a lot of the time im not gaming and dont need gpu power at all. How and Whats best way to do this? Im guessing through underclock? Throttlestop, msi afterburner...?
I don't use my laptop on battery. So I expect numbers as the review. The reviewed unit is most likely with stock voltage so with an undervolt I could probably extend the battery life slightly.
Because if it dies, you go buy full new laptop. I'm shocked that nobody mentioned this. Even if it would be not the CPU to fail, still eliminating CPU reselling would push general computer market. While bga disconnect due to heat would be direct push of notebook market.
P.S. As for our
Mr.Arrogant,
he doesn't know what research is. He has his agenda built on simple belief created by multiple pushy characters to push down the throat the major idea of that current micro society (forum) about non-rational existence of powerful notebooks (cost/performance) which he now propagandizes.
He is afraid to start analyzing your data because that would prove how miserable he was by just believing into something for that only to be solely the general consensus of his areal of communication.
If his ideas were based on the research he would be the active side of further analysis of new data because the thought in his head about possibility of him loosing so much time with him picking the wrong side at the end would drill his head in case of his inactivity. He was spoiled and now he is the one who spoils.
I knew such type and place of these narrow-visioned people (desktop fanatics). You feel between uncomfortability to disgust abiding among them.
Throttlestop and nvidia inspector would work, I havent used msi afterburner in a while so I dont know if voltage control is available through it.
Im not asking about how you use your laptop.
You dont need 5Ghz for typing a word document. You could probably get away with 2Ghz or less and lowered voltage. What would the package power be at that level?
Same goes for the GPU, you dont need 2Ghz core for typing a document or working in excel.
Both Throttlestop and MSi Afterburner have the ability to save profiles but I guess no one uses them.
Have tested [email protected] clocks in Cinebench R15 with a bit over 28w vs. undervolted 6700Hq who needed +32w (about 13% lower Package Power with same clocks). The post is in the forum.
Were not talking about cinebench and not talking about the 6700hq.
I give up, both sides of the extreme seem difficult to communicate with and I have finals to prep for.
Perhaps ill revisit this thread after the new year when I have the time to take these baby steps to extrapolate the information for a rather simple scenario.
I know what you are asking because I have about the same question as you.
I always configure my systems for optimum battery life, but that was a slightly different approach on the 3rd gen i7's compared to my newest 7th gen i7. I haven't fully arrived at my conclusion either because I'm waiting on my machine to get replaced so I can spend some time testing my theories with it.
Ultimately though, you want to learn Throttle Stop inside and out first. Read some guides, how-to's, the forum thread, etc. In addition, Intel's XTU *might* prove useful as well, but I believe ThtottleStop can do just about everything XTU can on an unlocked set of hardware.
Next you will want to set up very specific Windows Power Profiles with the processor management and parking and idle-down/off times finely tuned for each use case you have in mind.
Finally, I find Bitsum's Park Control and Process Lasso to be excellent utilities to facilitate real-time power profile switching that can really help extend your battery life if setup properly in conjunction with highly tuned Windows Power Profiles. Park Control in particular requires manual tuning and calibration based on the hardware it is being used on. I can explain more on that later if you need. It is more a fault of how Windows manages the hardware than Park Control though.
Basically, to get your power consumption down, you will want to undervolt, and limit your multiplier to a certain extent. Settings like Windows Power Management (Active vs Passive) also dictate whether your system clocks up and uses its fans or clocks down to avoid using fans when under a load.
And finally, you can also experiment with turning turbo boost, hyper threading, and cores off temporarily for cases when you want maximum battery life. The newest 7th and 8th gen Core CPU's mostly eliminate the need to manually disable cores though because of their ultra low power states they can achieve when not being used, but I won't say it's absolutely not worth testing or messing with. Turning off HT is known to give a temperature drop across the board and heat is energy. However you must also consider the curve of power consumed to time it takes to complete a task. AKA "Race to Finish" computing concept. Turning Turbo Boost off also falls under that consideration as well. Like I said, it requires actual real world testing to be sure.
Aside from all of that, you really want to strip as many Windows services and background tasks out of your system as possible because those are what will keep your machine from being able to easily idle in its lowest power states most of the time it is not actively being used by you. Spending the time and research and trial and error to do this will pay off in battery life gains.
What I laid out applies to any set of hardware really. The only variable that changes is the specific optimal point on the power vs time curve which is specific to each machine's own configuration of hardware. Things like the Bitsum dynamic profile switching, Park Control, and Intel's Speed Shift can skew the curve a bit though.
I have a Dell BGAbook everyone likes to hate on so idk specifically the hard numbers one could achieve on these true DTR laptops, but the concepts and processes are the same regardless.
My new Dell is a pretty substantial upgrade for me and has a great thermal handling system so I'm very happy with it compared to my last laptop before it. What I'm not happy with is Windows 10 though.
Getting the Cpu to conserve battery is relatively easy, the problem is the GPU, even when downclocking, perhaps 20-28 watts discharge rate when browsing or local video playback is about as good as it gets.
Problems? See this thread at archive.org.
