Why high gamut screens are NOT suited to gamers

This might be nooby question but why can't laptops have a built-in sRGV emulator?

 

It would require hardware controllers and either some sort of physical interface or special software to control the hardware both of which laptops do not cater for.

 

Interesting OP. I haven't tried any games on a high gamut laptop yet but hope to soon. I don't recall any games that approached film like color though so unless the colors are flat out wrong it will be a worthwhile trade off for the difference in movies and photos. The thread topic does come off as a little alarmist, can anybody post some in game pics to clarify the difference?

 

+1

pics side by side (decent ones) of desktop and some games are much appreciated.

although the HG screen is glossy, if you got one that was matt finish would this balance the display nicely as non glossy matt screens dont 'pop' as much as their glossy counterparts?

 

If I'm a newb when it comes to screens, would I be fine with the stock? Or is the $90 upgrade still worth it if I need to calibrate?

If I get the reseller to calibrate professionally, is there any way for my screen to "uncalibrate" over time or during use, thereby wasting the professional calibration? If I want to calibrate myself, would it require expensive hardware?

And finally, professional recalibration also requires an OS purchase, right?

 

If you play a lot of games I would advise to get the standard gamut screen (which is also a great screen) and save yourself $90.

If you do decide to get the high gamut screen just try the profiles I've posted in this thread.

 

I've done some respectable amounts of reading on the issue of wide-gamut vs stock for games (apart from the Enduro debacle) in general, and it seems that even if both are calibrated properly, the difference is really minimal in the case of games because they were programmed with a "narrower" gamut to begin with, unlike professional grade imaging and rendering applications. In other words the high gamut screens are capable of displaying colors almost all games have no need for because it's not in their programming.

I'll look for the article again but meanwhile can anyone confirm?

Also, I ordered a glossy screen and not a matte, figuring that since it's a desktop replacement laptop I won't move it much and I'd hate to lose some color vibrancy and contrast. I really wish I could see side-by-side pictures of NP9710 stock matte vs. glossy screens for comparison since it's not too late to change my order.

 

I have stock matte screen on my P151EM and in my opinion it is a great screen. I've done a lot of research myself before I made my decision to go with the stock screen. I certainly don't think the quality of the stock matte screen (at least the one that I have) is as bad as some people have made it out to be. Then again I have not witness wide gamut screen in person. I certainly wouldn't mind owning a laptop with wide gamut screen, but only when it is properly supported by all applications.

 

NeoCzar if the wide gamut screens provided with these laptops behaved like high end wide gamut desktop monitors then yes you would be correct. However when it comes to these panels they are way off in their default presentation - they have far too much blue and too little contrast. Hence why a colour calibration profile is required, not to necessarily provide deadly accurate colours but to present an image which is pleasing to the eye.

I will be testing the PowerStrip hotkey method on a few new games tomorrow and will report back with my results.

 

I'm not sure that's what I was asking. The impression I got from my reading is that in a best case scenario where both panels, stock and 90 or 95% gamut are hardware-calibrated, it would make little to no difference in games with "Artificial" color and that the only place they'll stand out is with color prints/AdobePhotoshop ..etc. Can you confirm that?

 

Any idea how the stock 9170 screen is?

 

Thank God for these forums and this thread. I just submitted a request to Xotic to get rid of the 95% matte screen in my order. Nice that I can save a little money and still have a great screen for my gaming needs!

And Proudclad (FFVII - holla), from what I've heard, the stock matte screens for the 9150 and 9170 are fantastic, with very little differences in color/contrast from the stock glossy.

 

Just ordered a 72% gamut screen for a combination of gaming/photo editing, and this is very useful information. I almost always play games in Borderless mode on my desktop due to having multiple screens, and I think will have to do the same for the laptop as well if this is the case. Thanks for the informative posting!

 

That's a shame you're letting one person dictate your purchasing decisions since the 95% is by far the best screen I've used for gaming. Better off seeing it for yourself, rather than let someone else see for you. These screens are ready to rock out of the box.

 

I can't work it out. Is it worth getting this in a 15" Laptop from PC Specialist. I'm a gamer. What does it do?

Chassis & Display Vortex Series: 15.6" AUO Matte 95% Gamut Widescreen (1920x1080) (£79)

 

I think it's 100% worth it. Looks amazing, especially if you get the matte version. It's super bright, colors are excellent, contrast amazing. It's just a great screen for GAMING!

 

What's the difference between matte & gamut matte?

 

You can find LCD comparisons. I believe the 95% is 400/500 contrast and 300 nit brightness, compared to 200 nit and 300 contrast. Not sure, but you can verify. Also the 95% is considered to be super wide gamut NTSC, which is 95% of all colors you can see.

But in testing for Anandtech, the 95% is the best TN panel they have ever measured. Highest color accuracy and nearly 700:1 contrast and highest percent of AdobeRGB. It's just the best TN panel you can buy right now, before spending more money on super IPS displays, since this screen can out perform many 8bit IPS displays still.

 

To clarify:

Will you still reap the benefits of a calibrated (professionally or with the profile in the OP) 95% NTSC for things like movies and photos?

Also: If you calibrate the screen, will it lose its calibration through playing games where the calibration is thrown off, or will you still have the calibration after you're done gaming.

Thanks for the help.

 

Yes.

No, it retains the profile for 2d.

 

My personal opinion having SEEN and USED an OWNED both, unless you're a pro photographer or videographer, the 72% matte is spectacular, period. Excellent brightness, contrast, color, viewing angles, refresh. Better than most TN panels available, and close to some IPS panels I've used. Honestly, unless you really need the most accurate color reproduction the stock 72% is more than adequate. Of the two 95% panels I've owned/used both had a clearly red tint to EVERYTHING, even a full black background had a slight hint of red even with calibration. Maybe that's needed to meet 95% gamut, but for me the 72% is phenomenal.

 

@HTWingNut I noticed you have the np9150--aren't all non-95% gamut screens for 15.6" Clevos around 60% gamut? I thought only the 17.3" Clevos had the 72% gamut option...

 

The 95% gamut matte without calibration was a bit too much for my eyes, too rich in colours, eyes stressed out after 1 hour usage, but it looks super nice after calibration (had to lower the gamma) even with just the windows tool. Make sure you have it calibrated or calibrate it yourself if you ever go for 95% gamut, personally I haven't tried 72% but have tried 60% glossy, 60% looks good on glossy finish, but not sure about matte.

 

Hmm, it seems you are correct. Well damn, for 60% it's pretty damn impressive.

http://www.lgdisplay.com/lgdhp/eng/product/notebookList.dev#

click the download link at bottom to download the pdf for details.

 

I wonder if your LG matte screen is as nice or nicer than the AUO B156HW01 V.1 matte screen that comes stock with the np9130.

Can anyone who has seen both comment on the two screens? Was one noticeably better than the other?

I'm guessing only Sager resellers and Clevo builders have seen both screens side by side. Any comparison you guys can provide is much appreciated.

 

The normal matte in my NP9150 looks stunning. Ignorance is definitely bliss in this situation.

 

This, more than anything. But seeing both, I can say the normal matte is perfectly fine too. Considering the crap screens that exist in 95% of most gaming laptops, I can safely say the stock matte is superior to those 95%. IMHO your money is better spent elsewhere unless you absolutely require higher color gamut.

 

the 72%NTSC should be around 9x sRGB is perfect for computer use( I mean computer , not printing proofing etc). Consider most of the new 24/27 IPS is only around the same ballpark.

 

bad calibration profile? there were a few floating around on the internet that did the same on my 95% gamut screen. I've tried 4 or 5 profiles before I found the one I use now, its very balanced and comparable to my previous calibrated m6500 rgbled screen.
without calibration 95% gamut screen has a blueish tint to it.

 

No, I have my own Spyder 3 and calibrated it a few times and couldn't get rid of the tint. I even tried a couple calibration profiles floating around at the time too with same result. Granted that's just my one screen, so it's not gospel. Had another person that I knew that had 95% that I calibrated for him and had the same issue.

 

if you want, i can test that profile for you and compare it to mine. maybe something went wrong with the calibration .. or maybe your spyder 3 was faulty?

 

that calibrator/software may not be really wide-gamut ready. try a new version software?

 

Also, if your friend brought his laptop over to your place when you calibrated it, there's also the possibility it has something to do with your lighting. Maybe blue fluorescent office-style bulbs cause an overcompensation of reds, or something like that?

 

I don't have any red tint at all on this 95% screen. Black is blacker than any LCD I've seen on a gaming laptop.

Profile I use is the Lenovo, since I know Lenovo uses the same AOU v4 panel on some of their notebooks.
- If I was a professional, I would definitely not use it and have it properly calibrated! Not using Spyder either, something proper.

 

Well I guess my point gets back to the OP's point about it being well suited to gamers or not. Personally, I think it's an extra unneeded expense for a gamer especially if it requires "professional" calibration, and many so-called "professional" calibrations use a Spyder. I believe Mythlogic even uses a Spyder to calibrate. And "borrowing" a profile from another laptop is not a professional way to go about it either, since every screen is different, and needs calibration on a regular basis. But as I said, those were my experiences a couple years back. Spyder works great on my desktop 24" panel and a couple other laptops I've used it for, haven't tried with my NP9150 yet though.

edit: here's a couple posts showing similar issues: http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/582818-sager-np8130-stock-screen-95-gamut.html
http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...ading-my-np5165d-matte-95-gamut-screen-9.html

 

Well, a better wording would be require "wide gamut" calibration , so called "professional" calibration is fine with spyder. Sypder 4 is advertised as working on wide gamut, but $100 calibrator for a $100 screen is kind of ... .

What is the stock screen model anyways?

Edit: IF you want to see if the screen has tint, I always just use this and it get really obvious.

http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/black.php

 

It's past, returned a year ago (NP8130) within 30 days purchase. And a Spyder 3 can be found for $30-40 which is what I bought mine for. Most people that buy them don't buy them for just a single use, at least I'd hope not. Then again considering people will pay $49 for the Sager "Spyder 3 Elite" calibration, you can buy your own for less than that and do it yourself and on a regular basis.

But "Stock screen model"? What are you referring to?

 

By stock, I mean the 72%NTSC one.

And when reseller charge $49 per calibration, I would expect they atleast use a i1pro.. (not the egg shape one)

I also tried the lenovo profiles, all of them don't do anything (very slight change, not going to fix hue or tint)

 

Stock screen on the EM is 60% gamut.

 

All I know is mine is an LG and I linked to the details a little earlier. For Sager it specifically states Spyder 3 calibration. Also doesn't the Eye One take a while for calibration?

 

The Lenovo ICC has completely flat gamma curves and so changes nothing and is thus pointless.

 

huh, so they just make the "generic PnP monitor" name changed to Thinkpad LCD?

 

iaTa is correct, lenovo icc is completely flat.

 

iata doesn't even know what profile I'm using. So he would be wrong.

Lenovo ICC Profile for 95% AOU V4.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/lenovo-ibm/675361-w530-owners-thread-9.html#post8707874

And I would still stress, that if you have any interest in making sure it is properly calibrated, the only way to do so is to use a colorimeter. But this user is an avid photographer and colors being important to him, figured why not.

And gaming on this wide gamut 95% is fricken AWESOME and definitely well suited. Highly recommend all to use it, even IF uncalibrated

 

You will use an ICC posted in the Lenovo section yet you will not use an ICC made for our specific combination of hardware.

You have spent pages and pages telling people to NOT use ICC profiles which were not made for their own hardware.

Stop trolling this thread please.

 

lenovo use the same 95% panel.. having tested the linked profile it looks 99.9% identical to the one I am using, just ever so slightly lighter on the blacks (i think its actually the v3 version of the profile linked by OP)

 

Yes I realise that but throughout this thread he has poo poo'ed the idea of using any colour profiles unless you create the profiles yourself in your own viewing environment.

Yet now he reveals he's using a profile which was created by someone else on a completely different laptop.

If the panel is so "fricken awesome" without using a profile why is he even using one.

Laughable.

 

by the way, you can add Metro 2033, Bastion and Max Payne to the list of games that work with calibrated profile / powerstrip method.

 

Max Payne 3 do you mean?

Doesn't work for me in MP3.

 

Can anyone conclusively say whether the standard matte is brighter than the 95% matte or not?