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    Why high gamut screens are NOT suited to gamers

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by iaTa, Jul 4, 2012.

  1. Ingvarr

    Ingvarr Notebook Deity

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    I personally instantly spot wide gamut displays by:
    - white looks reddish, its not good white color, it looks like extremely low color temp (about 2k). At least I see it as reddish, it could be vary by people with different sensitivity to reds. To complicate the problem, this red is not being picked up properly by many monitor calibration sensors, and they make it even more reddish when calibrated
    - everyone's faces look like everybody's blushing
    - saturated green (0,255,0) is a lot blueish as it should be, its closer to cyan, this in particular visible in vegetation color
    All this (white is the most difficult though) could be fixed by calibration, but, as many people pointed out, games are not picking it up. Hell, even Windows desktop fixes only gamma, it does not fix incorrect colour. It could be kind of approximated by simple sliders in drivers controls, but its never as good as proper normal gamut screen (and again, no way to fix above incorrect colours by sliders).
    And another thing, displaying sRGB content on wide-gamut screen is just a waste - its not using entire dynamic range of colours, and most laptop screens are 6-bit to start with, using a fraction of this space 90% of the time is pointless.
     
  2. phill1978

    phill1978 Notebook Consultant

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    Surely the more pressing argument for gamers on screen choice is 60hz vs 120hz ?

    for £75 more than standard on Eurocom (no dice on this level of machine) you can have the 17.3" LP173WF2 Mate FHD display

    it might not be as saturated as a 95% gamut or as contrasted as a Glossy panel but in FPS games it will look fluid and clear. The frame draw time will be 50% less and i have seen many professional reviews of desktop monitors with 120HZ having much less RTC overshoot / ghosting / trail which is usually the bane of TFT-LCD technology

    for me id go 120HZ matte every time
     
  3. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    I'd certainly go for the 120hz if it's an option over the 95% panel for gaming any time.
     
  4. phill1978

    phill1978 Notebook Consultant

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    im sure ive seen a review of the said screen which was favourable i can find it at the moment, the only thing that was slightly worse was the black point vs the stock 60hz screen but it was only something like 0.06 worse which isn't much. To contrast that it had more brightness (needed for 3D even if your just using the 2D 120hz) of 400cd/m2 !

    ive read up on the 72% v 95% and as far as i can tell there both still 6 bit panels anyway?
     
  5. gazzafaegreenock

    gazzafaegreenock Notebook Enthusiast

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    Woow, didn know you could get a 120hz screen for laptops, wonder if this would fit my p370em.
     
  6. EvSOLO

    EvSOLO Newbie

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    I plan to purchase a Sager NP 8225S from Xotic because of some good promotions they have going on now. The only option they have is the 95% gamut screen for that model. Can anyone confirm if Windows 8 has fixed the issue described in the OP? If not, I may consider the 17 inch model because they have the stock screen option, although I prefer the gpu in the 8225 S and the smaller screen. Is the issue of not holding the calibration settings limited to only Windows 7?
     
  7. mapaxton

    mapaxton Notebook Enthusiast

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    If I pay the reseller to calibrate my screen for me, will it reset and not be calibrated if i ever restore my computer back to factory settings which i have had to do several times in the past. I assume that i would lose all that calibration that i paid somebody to do. I have never ever had to calibrate a screen and would just prefer to pay somebody to do it.
     
  8. Support.3@XOTIC PC

    Support.3@XOTIC PC Company Representative

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    You will lose the custom .icc file if you reformat, but that file can be saved like you would jpeg or mp3 before you reformat. Then once you have you can put it back on the computer, so just be sure to save it before you do.
     
  9. Support.3@XOTIC PC

    Support.3@XOTIC PC Company Representative

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    I dont know if Windows 8 specifically has fixed any issues, but there are a few color profiles available that Sager has posted on their site under the NP8150 drivers which can help the screens look better.
     
  10. winkosmosis

    winkosmosis Notebook Evangelist

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    I think there's some misunderstanding of screen gamut. An AdobeRGB screen with a color profile is going to look the same as an SRGB one unless the game can take advantage of AdobeRGB. If you don't use a color profile the game will be more saturated and some colors will look "neon".

    I have a Dell 2408WFP-HC and IMO some games look better even without a color profile
     
  11. TR2N

    TR2N Notebook Deity

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    I posted this in other thread but probably more relevant here.
    Talking of displays I noticed something unusual the other night playing remember me on my clevo with95% gamut color display usinghdmi output to Samsung plasma TV on dynamic.
    The textures were more detailed on plasma especially in background than auoptronics display.
    Is this due to the ppi of optronics display ?
    Curious .
     
  12. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    You are effectively closer to a large display, your eyes may not be capable of picking out finer details on a smaller display.
     
  13. baii

    baii Sone

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    Game don't use color profile though...
     
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  14. Kevin

    Kevin Egregious

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    Well, the plasma TV is a much higher technology than a TN laptop panel..
     
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