Will 9262 be able to SLI 9800 graphic card?

Title says it all.
Since the Euopean companies are already offering the q9550, I am inclined to wait for xotic to offer it (once Sager gives its go-ahead).

This places us fairly close to the release of the 9800 graphics card. I was wondering if anyone knows if there are plans/ability for the 9800 to be SLI?? I hear the card will not be 'much' better than the 8800, but will run cooler.

I would love to have everything be lower power/lower heat as I need this computer to live 4+ years (so much for over-clocking ), however, if there is no intention to offer 9800 SLI, than I won't have to wait further than the q9550 release.

Chris.

 

well as of right now the 9800's are not even available yet. you could have a short wait or a really long one no one really knows at this point..

 

I'm not touching this subject not even with a 10 foot pole.

 

Im in the same boat as you but I have been "waiting" a while..

Im going to stick it out for the 9550 (which I think will show up anytime now) but im not going to wait for the 9800. The performance increase sounds like it's pretty low and who knows if they will offer SLI off the bat. It could be another month or two or could be four or five. Im just tired of waiting..

And btw even if it is upgradeable... the prices to do so are usually crazy and not worth it. If past "updates" by Sager and Dell are any indication..

I think a 9550 maxed out specs plus/sli 8800 should last a while

 

yeah its not going to be to much from the 8800 to the 9800.. especially from what it seems like they are just oc'ed versions of the 8800.. but time will tell

 

How about a 20 foot pole? Or should that be in meters (or, to be more correct - in metres)?

 

It's too early to tell until it's out.

 

No, no pole is long enough to touch this subject.
I`ll just let time do the talking.

 

Agreed. I know it'll be very hard to resist, but it'd be better to sit this one out as an idle spectator.

 

Rumor Mill: 9800's will be out June 18th or sometime in July.

Rumor Mill: 9800's will be in the 1GB video ram flavor.

Rumor Mill: 9800's will cost less than the 8800's.

Rumor Mill: 9800's will be 10% faster than the 8800's.

Again all rumor, we will see soon enough. Not far to June now.

 

Thanks Wu Jen,

That is what I have read too....
I was just hoping somebody had an idea if SLI in 9262 was going to be possible, and not too far in future....

Ah well, we will see if I can wait...
(waiting for q9550 is killing me)

Chris.

 

We get on this merry-go-round every time a new GPU is coming, it seems.

Official answer: Until the GeForce 9800M is released, we have no way of knowing if it will work in the NP9262 or not. The fact that the 9800M looks like a glorified 8800M makes it very tempting for people to assume that it will, but this should not be taken as an indication of compatibility.

When the cards are ready for official release, Sager/Clevo will have the official word, but it is never a smart move to buy your notebook based on what it MIGHT be able to use as an upgrade. Buy based on what you KNOW, not based on what might happen.

The smartest move is this: if you absolutely have to have that ~10% performance increase from the GeForce 9800M, wait until it is released. That's the only way you're guaranteed that your notebook will support it.

edited to add
And if you DON'T have to have that ~10% performance increase, but you do have to have a computer right now, then buy something you're going to be happy using now.

 

Here's a quick thought. Buy one with one 8800 gpu and the E8400 cpu now [or the cheapest throw away cpu and install your own E8400], who likes waiting anyway?

1) In most tests, the E8400 runs right with the X6800 and Q9450, but 2) can be bought for less than $185 on Ebay and 3) there is very little coding support for Quad now and for the near future and 4) the single code stuff will use all of the 6mb L2 cache, making it a rocket. You'll be 70% slower than the Chaz Test machine, due to lack of SLI

In August/September [not that far away], buy the Q9550 [or the Q9650 or E8600 if they prove compatible by then] and install yourself along with the 9800 [or two]. The E8400 will still sell for $100 or so and the 8800 will resell for up to $400 to someone wanting SLI for their 8800. Or install to E8400 in a Desktop...

Note to Wu Jen, I had the same setup as you. Already shipped to Sager for the m/b upgrade and 8800 SLI. I will install my $175 E8400 cpu myself. With oc I hope to hit 14000+ BTW a single Clevo 7950 GTX Card just sold on Ebay for $ 350, so your two card will pay for one 8800 And if I can find a home for the X6800....

I should work in Computer sales, I'd set up a used/resale Parts Group

 

@Alan:

That is terrible advice! Like we've been saying, there's no guarantee that the 9800M will even be compatible. The Q9xxx processors at this point appear to be largely compatible, with minor bugs here and there that are being ironed out as they are discovered, but the only way to guarantee that your notebook can use a 9800M is to wait until they're released. As we've seen even now, the 8800M required a motherboard upgrade to function with the NP9261, which is why us resellers were advising folks all along not to buy an NP9260/61 with the idea that the 8800M would work flawlessly. Until it was released, we just didn't know.

Despite all the steps made TOWARD upgradability, notebooks as a platform are nowhere near as upgradable as desktops, and a notebook should never be purchased with lower-end parts meant to be upgraded later when the parts you actually want are released, because you can never guarantee that those parts coming later will be compatible.

 

My take is that newer cards are always around the corner. So basically if you need it now, why wait? If you don't need it now, why worry about buying it now? It is always better finantially to buy it later then sooner when it comes to technology.

No one knows for sure if the current hardware supports the future 9800M GTX. Neither people know if the gains will or not be marginal (what is marginal? 10%? 20%?. People here overclock their cards to get a 15%FPS increase, if that was marginal they would not overclock their cards.

Trance
PS: Don't count on upgrades unless you have a good amount spare cash every year to spend on it (say more then $1200. motherboard + 2xcards).

 

OC the 8800m and it will be exactly like 9800m
just my $0.02

 

Who has proof that itwill be 10% better?

Im with nvana on this one. I mean, look at the 9500 vs the 8600

 

hmm maybe ill have to sell this 8700 on ebay..

 

Arrrgh, I couldn`t do it. I couldn`t stay away

OK OK, Vedya, you`re comparing a x500 card with a x600 card firstly.
Secondly, the DDR2 version of the 8600M G T is less powerful than the DDR2 version of the 9500M G S .That`s already 2 points to make the 9th series better in their equivalent numbering system compared to the 8th series.
Now,as far as desktop goes,the 9800M GTX is better than the 8800M GTX anywhere from 2% to 15% .
I don`t see any reason why in the notebook world things would be different.

 

it will be a very small advantage imo but not more than 10% is my guess and prob less than that agaib but just a a guess

 

I think the difference will be more then actually people expect when comparing SLi vs SLi configs as the chart of some other post of mine showed. My guess is that the 9800M GTX will perform much, much better in SLi then previous generations, and DDR3 garantees better overclocking abilities.

For single cards, I don't have a clue, but at least 10% is expected (otherwise creating new generation would not be justifiable)

Trance
PS: With ATI probably pushing DDR5, I wonder how long NVIDIA will push DDR3 on top od the range video cards.

 

If you like to wait then wait....

A single 8800 now is close to the performance of 7950 GTS SLI. Pound for pound I don't see how you beat the E84oo for value. E6700's sell for within $10 to $20 of this chip now on Ebay. With the ability to use all of the 6MB cache and with pricing under $180, it is a great value and runs cooler too!

Then add a second 8800 or mod to the 9800 if 1 it is compatible and 2) if price and performance merit it. At worst you are "stuck" with a E8400 with a 8800 in SLI

I have a E6700 desktop oc to 3.4. On Wprime the Clevo E8400 runs about 50% less on times. Additionally the E8400 with 8800 SLI should hit 14000 on 3DMark, while the Desktop hit 13000. Granted the Desktop ONLY has one 8800 Utra oc from EVGA. But the old best was 10k for the 7950's in Laptop form. Going to 14k for a lappie is great!

 

Ok,

Lets look @ this:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=229282
vs
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=188724

OK, Lets just focus on the GFX scores

9500m GS:
SM2 - 1385
HM - 1306

8600mGT:
SM2 - 1399
HM - 1340

Another thing to note, the 9500m GS was done at a lower res (1280 by 800 vs 1280 by 720)

 

Again, focus on the x500 and x600 thing.
The correct way would then be to compare the 9700M which does not exist with the 8800M GTX.

 

How about hte 8700GT vs the 9650GT????

My point is proven through those two also....

 

I just realised the error of my ways.
First off, the 8800M GTX is NOT based of the desktop 8800 GTX, the desktop 9800 GTX is NOT based of the desktop 8800 GTX, BUT THE 9800M GTX IS BASED OFF OF THE 8800M GTX .
It`s comparing apples with prunes.And peanuts.And forks.

 

And then sticking them in an electrical socket . We'll have to wait until there's a real-world 9800M to really decide whether it's worth it or not.

 

I have no doubt that the 9800M GTX will be worth it, especially if you`re coming from 8700MGT/7950GTX.
It`s a matter of perspective here.

 

Vedya you need to take in consideration that the G92 core used on 8800M GTX have their SPs lazer cutted(96SPs)!

Even if the 9800M GTX used the same G92(wich will not), with all the SPs unlocked, only that could increase the 9800M GTX´s shading power by 25% over the 8800M GTX. Only that...

 

According to the drivers INFs in laptopvideo2go it will be based on G92:

"NVIDIA GeForce 9800M GTX" NVIDIA_G92.DEV_0609.1"

http://www.laptopvideo2go.com/forum/index.php?act=Print&client=printer&f=1&t=18022

Now, It might have all SPs unlocked (128).

Trance

 

Hi,

My findings lead me to conclude the following regarding the fit of these cards. So either:

1) Clevo revamps the motherboard, upgrades the chip set and increase the FSB clocks: This new cards will perform considerably better then the 8800M GTX taking advantage of increase FSB capacity or improved queue depths.

2) Clevo just provides a BIOS update: If the card is just a "revamped" 8880m GTX, I don't expect anything much better. If the card has all SPs unlocked then it will be the dead of Clevo SLi has one card will perform as well as 2 cards with the current tech.

3) Clevo goes 9800M GTX X2 with a BIOS upgrade: Two cores in one card. Well this will considerably be better then the current solution due to the limits imposed on FSB, paving the way for 3 way SLi.

In any case, I believe that the current chassis is enough to handle these changes since the new CPU and Video Cards will be more energy efficient and generate less heat.

Trance

 

Hmm, talk about wishful thinking
The only X2 you might see is the AMD 3870...

 

You already have one mobile solution where two 8800M GTX are on the same card. The card that DELL uses in the XPS M1730. That for me is the first X2 in the mobile world although not promoted by NVIDIA

So I'm not really dreaming, or at least not about the Kingdom of far far away (Shrek where are you? Again playing with the donkey?).

Trance

 

thats not an x2 solution. they are still two cards piggy-backed on one main card and they still require 2 cooling fans for each card.

 

All X2s I've seen require two fans. They are still two "separated" chips on a single card last time I saw one.

Anyway, being X2 or not is a question of nomenclature. It certainly not a discrete SLi solution.

Trance

 

ok i just thought they had one fan.

 

Dell has the marketing power to do so, and their sollution is apparently the better SLI now.
Yea,the X2 appears to be better than its equivallent SLi, even in desktop world...

 

but their m1730 produces the same sli stuttering as the d900c so i do not see how clevo skimped on motherboard performance when the chipsets are inte-based.