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    Will Penryn be p965 chipset compatible in the Clevo D901C?

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by DJDave, Nov 12, 2007.

  1. DJDave

    DJDave Notebook Consultant

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    I think the answer with the current bios will be no, with the info i have read so far. The Vcore is differant is the only thing thats stopping the Penryn from being backwards conpatable.

    (tho I did read an "Opinion" the they would probley boot at the higher Vcore)

    Clevo good about bios updates? Or will we be looking at a D902C Model in the future with the motherboard voltages corrected? (Or a new chipset)

    Toms Hardware has the Penryn Release Info on there front page this Morning (11/12 2007)

    Reported avalablity in the first Q 2008.

    Being that most people that buy the D901C buy them to be on the bleeding edge, I think the question needed to be asked. :)

    Opinions (and facts as well) are welcome.
     
  2. Vizel

    Vizel Notebook Consultant

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    I don't know about Penryn, but I thought they were realesing 45nm processor in santa rosa platform as "revised santa rosa"
     
  3. Charr

    Charr Notebook Deity

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    In this case, he is talking about the desktop hardware.

    And to be honest, I don't think it will work. The P965 is kind of an aging platform.
     
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    Gophn NBR Resident Assistant

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    There seems to be a bit of confusion.

    The Clevo D900C is using a desktop Intel P965 chipset and uses a Socket LGA 775.

    You are speaking of a Penryn, which will be a mobile CPU for Socket P for mobile Intel 965 chipset.
     
  5. DJDave

    DJDave Notebook Consultant

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    A Short bit from an Intel Blog:

    http://www.dailytech.com/life+with+penryn/article5869.htm

    The Last Paragraph I thougt was intresting. And fit Socket 775 to boot.

    So I guess the Question Remains.. :)
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    Intel claims the upcoming Penryn will fit 410 million transistors for the dual-core model, and 820 million transistors for the quad-core variants -- dual-core Conroe utilizes just 298 million transistors. Intel's 45nm SRAM shuttle chip, announced last year, had a little over 1 billion transistors and fit on a 119mm^2 package. However, the initial Penryn quad-core processors will use a multi-die packaging, so it's realistic to expect only 410 million transistors per die at launch.

    The optical shrink allows the engineers to boost clock speed, but the additional real estate means the company can put more logic on the processor as well. "Most of that transistor savings is spent on increasing the cache over Core 2" added Smith.

    Conroe added additional SSE instructions at launch, but Intel claimed at Fall IDF 2006 that SSE4 was specifically reserved for Nehalem. Intel's guidance for Penryn claims the family will feature "New Intel SSE4 instructions expand capabilities and performance for media/HPC applications."

    When asked about the effects of SSE4 on Penryn, Smith responded to DailyTech claiming "We're seeing excellent double digit performance [percentage] gains on multimedia applications."

    Penryn is still not without its mysteries; a primary concern for enthusiasts is motherboard and socket support. Penryn will launch on Socket 775 -- meaning existing motherboards can physically harbor the new CPU, but electrically might not. "Motherboard developers will have to make some minor changes to support [Penryn]. We can't guarantee that a person could just plug the chip into every motherboard on the market today." However, Smith also claimed the Penryn boot test that grabbed so many headlines last week occurred on unmodified hardware that included a notebook, several desktop motherboards and several server motherboards.

    Edit:
    I now have found that there will be both. Desktop and Mobile Chips. The Desktop Models will indeed be Socket 775 And called Wolfdale. But they are 45Nm Penryn Parts.

    From Intel, There press kit (PDF) released today: http://download.intel.com/pressroom/kits/45nm/45nmSummaryFoils.pdf