XTU and Processor Frequency Question

How come turboboost never goes past 3.59ghz? Arent I supposed to be able to get up to 3.9?
i7-4930mx np 9380-s

 

Use liquid ultra first

my config for you

https://mega.co.nz/#!fdJiRb5T!YFc4vPOpyB2Bhq4Uq0fv5hgM8QahyRyXZo2CvVJwgv4

Enviado de meu GT-I9500 usando Tapatalk

 

3.9 GHz on single core only, 3.7 GHz on all 4 cores.

And the reason it's 100 MHz lower is due to stock TDP cap. I had the same issue with my 4900MQ. The easy fix is to undervolt by -50 mV or more so it runs cooler and draws less watts.

 

I undervolted my 4810mq today by -50mV and it seems to keep the turbo up as high as it can go. Meaning mine got to 3.39GHz multicore.


I tried -100mV, but it wasn't stable and crashed

I might be able to get it somewhere in between, but the temps were good enough for me.

 

So even if you put all 4 cores to 3.9 in xtu, it'll still cap at 3.7?
I don't think I need to undervolt for temps though. My temps are pretty good.

 

If you don't up the processor current or TDP, then no it won't go past 3.7.

For 4 cores at 3.9 you'll need to set current to 95A or more, and TDP I'd just set it to 100W for both turbo and "short power max" and leave it there.

 

Okay, I'll let you know how that works out for me when Resurrection goes off
Thanks in advance. What do you guess the max temps would be at for this config?

 

Forgot to mention, you may need to up the voltage as well if you're going to overclock it, but just use default voltage and see if it's stable for what you want to do.

Temps will depend on what paste you're using, how clean the fans/heatsinks are, and the ambient temp.

If I had to wager a guess, at least high 80s for gaming.

 

Alright, we had some throttling going on. About 26%. What can I adjust so that throttling stays at 0 while every core is 3.9? Also afterwards, Processor Frequency seems to stay at 3.89. I only want turbo boost to get that high, not the default values. How to achieve?

 

my result on this setings.

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-4930MX,Notebook P370SM3

 

If you are throttling, you are overwhelming your cooling system. Do you at least have a decent thermal paste? Are you turning your fans on full blast?

You might want to go back the other route and undervolt to get rid of the throttling, but then you probably will want to go back to stock clocks.

 

results in over GPU

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-4930MX,Notebook P370SM3

 

I got the maximum hardware and paste that exotic pc provided except for only one 780m and one power brick. Why does PF stay at max in XTU when not doing anything after the changes?

 

what is the version of your bios?

 

bios date: 11/05/13 12:46:26 Ver: 04.06.05

 

my Bios

 

my bios from that menu reads: 1.03.01
that first one was from dxdiag.

Seems like when changing the settings, the ghz stays at max and the speedstep never kicks back in until I restore settings and restart.

 

My stock bios SAGER

https://mega.co.nz/#!PAolVRgK!zWC4-EOPwPFzzXg8hMvHpn0_oHnuox6p2ZrnVVAPCNw

 

So why do you have a bios different from mine, where do I go to check for new versions, and what will me installing yours solve in relation to my questions? I'm an overclocking noob, I need explanation in order to understand.

 

Well I sell on clevo site I saw there was a new version.
I requested to the corresponding Sager bios.
So I managed to do the update via USB stick.

 

Any changelogs?

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/416916-clevo-bios-thread.html

 

Ok forget about flashing BIOS for a minute. You're seeing throttling because like someone else said, you're not cooling your CPU enough. In Clevo the throttling temp is 95C, so you're reaching at least that if you're seeing throttling. What you can do to fix this is to

a) clean out all dust from fans and heatsinks
b) repaste with a good TIM

I would NOT recommend Liquid Ultra until you become comfortable repasting, the stuff is conductive, and if you get it in the wrong places you'll fry your entire rig. I just finished repasting Liquid Ultra, and it still took me 20 minutes the second time around (mainly because I'm super paranoid and go super slow). I'd suggest you start with MX-4 or IC Diamond. IC Diamond seems to be the best after Liquid Ultra, but be careful when cleaning it off or you'll scratch the die.

As for only going 3.9 GHz on turbo boost, just make sure you didn't accidentally set the "Max Non Turbo Boost Ratio" to 3.9 as well, because that controls the base clock. Not sure why your CPU is sticking at 3.9 GHz, maybe check to make sure you didn't accidentally turn SpeedStep off by accident. Also, check your power plan settings. Under "Processor power management", if "minimum processor state is set to 100%", then your CPU will be pulling 3.9 GHz regardless of what you're doing.

 

This is the official bios update for the machine: http://repo.palkeo.com/clevo-mirror/P37xSM/P370SM3_B0302.zip
Files are totally different from what you gave me. Also almost nothing is listed for a changelog. Only half of a description. Also, I don't think this has to do with any question but thanks anyway.

@rhutor: that option isn't in the latest version of XTU. 4.4.0.4.

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I'm plugged in.

 

Don't mess around with the BIOS (yet)! Flashing a Clevo BIOS on a Sager machine can brick your unit!

Alright, so I forgot that you have a Sager which comes with a ridiculously gimped BIOS unbefitting for the 4930MX. From the screenshot it seems your processor is at 3 GHz? That's its base clock.

 

I reinstalled XTU. More options appeared. Guess there is a bug with the autoupdater of XTU:

View image: jev2

Speedstep/TurboBoost is on. That means if nothing is going on, it's supposed to be lower. If something is going on, then it fluxuates to accomodate. Sager defaults are under 'Proposed'. When using the stress test, it doesn't go past 3.49.

 

look at my bios sager it works very well.
if you look hard'm with great results.
3.0 is stock.
under Windows works perfectly on full turbo boost.
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/1804966
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/8169252

 

I set it to rhutor's settings he first told me. It's not staying at max anymore. The reinstall of xtu fixed it. Checking things again.
Edit: yeah, during the stress test, it started throttling a little and the temps got up to 97c by the end of 1 minute. Have stock IC diamond compound and copper cooling inside. The machine is about 4 1/2 months old. Sager defaults temperatures don't pass 80c when all cores are maxed in the stress test. Program defaults highest temps are 81c.

 

@pauloimp: seriously could you stop posting your scores and irrelevant stuff that doesn't address OP's question?

Yes because it's capped by the TDP you have set it to. If you want to to run 3.7 at 100% load on all 4 cores then you'll have to raise the TDP, and your temps will also see some massive increase, and most likely your CPU will throttle itself back down anyway.

If you're serious about this stuff then you should start with a proper repaste to get your temps under control.

 

What setting does TDP = in XTU? Also don't forget my 2 more recent posts (just in cased you overlooked them). I'm just testing right now. I won't keep it like this unless I get some breakthrough performance.

 

Friend do not be offended but in order to show the results to see what is not worth doing over the expense of benchs.
which will have in your hands is a super heated PC in exchange for measly fps.
Search ultra performanse buy a desktop and not a notebook.
I see no advantage in doing over even if there's no game that does not run properly as well.

 

Well, either way, none of my games use 100% of all 4 cores. And the Sager stock settings seems to run all of my high end graphical games just fine anyway. Sleeping Dogs feels faster with max AA on. But FPS is 1 point lower than stock clocks in the Sleeping Dogs benchmark so I don't know what that's all about. Other than that, it doesn't really look like I need to. And the high games that I have that have a little studder look like they need stronger gpu power rather than stronger cpu power. I just wanted to experiment that's all.

Edit: BTW, can one explain to me what turbo boost power time window does?

 

Turbo Boost Power Max in XTU = nominal TDP that Intel rates as being sustainable given sufficient cooling
Turbo Boost Short Power Max = Peak power TDP; goes beyond what Intel rates as being sustainable beyond a short duration either due to heat or TDP cap.
Turbo Boost Power Time Window = controls how long the CPU may stay at the peak power TDP until it drops to the nominal TDP

 

Ok, thanks. When staying with the stock settings, would there be any problem if I set the max non turbo boost ratio to 16x instead of 32x?

 

I think you guys just to wait for 14nm....

 

You're basically decreasing the base clock, so there won't be any problems.

 

Anyway to recover from bad bios update? Sager gave me a bios that I already had instead of giving me the updated bios that paulolmp had put a link up for. Didnt realize it until after the fact. I was hoping they would give me more detailed instructions. So I followed everything they said and now I get a black screen on my laptop with keyboard lights on and fans running for a minute then it shuts off. Is there a recovery mode that I could boot up to fix this problem?

 

The BIOS that was posted as well as the files that Sager sent you (thx for the PM) are both for the old model.
I'll PM you later about a possible recovery...

@EVERYONE

DO NOT flash P370SM- A/NP3977 BIOS/EC to the older P370SM/NP3980 or vice versa!

 

the 9380-s model is the same as mine but did not know that his is not 3d.
I apologize for not attack me this detail.
but I have the bios for the model without 3D.
Here's a link bios model.
Prema can help you how to proceed with recovery.

Link Bios https://mega.co.nz/#!PFAkyKLC!OJOv4dkA53cCgbtpcSfbsnaULmnUR1XgUdQE7VJA_7k

 

No worries, P370SM & P370SM3 makes no real difference, we can't do anything wrong by cross-flashing those.

 

Please give a recommendations, to increase the TDP limits in XTU for processor 3610qm and 3630mq, thanks in advance!

 

Their max of 55w for long power.

 

36xxmq needs to increase tdp???

 

If you want to ensure to avoid throttle under the heaviest sustained loads then yes.

 

Do you have the new Bios for Sager NP9380? No -S for me. Thanx

 

You can grab Prema's modded BIOS from his site. But please for the love of god, triple read the instructions, watch the flashing video, and make 100% sure you're flashing the right BIOS for your system.