Xoticpc copper cooling upgrade?

My NP9150 is currently in Phase 3 and I was just looking at the customization page and noticed that there is a new option (that wasn't available when I ordered) called "COPPER COOLING UPGRADE - Extra Cooling Copper Heatsinks Applied to the Heatpipes (XPC Service) ( + 79 )".

Anyone have pictures of this or data for temp drops?





Link: http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np9150-clevo-p150em-p-4341.html?wconfigure=yes

 

That seems pretty new and that they are following the issues being posted. I wonder if they would sell a kit for those of us that have already purchased and don't mind a little DIY.

Justin?

Personally mine is running relatively cool, 84C max and generally 77-79C on games and Furmark. However extra cooling is never bad.

 

Interesting. How does this upgrade work?

 

I think this is a similar set up from another thread where the copper heatsinks ($7 for a set from Amazon) that come with adhesives are added to the copper piping/surfaces inside the laptop.

http://www.amazon.com/Enzotech-MOS-...053473&sr=8-10&keywords=small+copper+heatsink

There were lower profile ones for $7, but I can't find those at the moment. If you look around one of the threads here, someone mentioned them and even posted a DIY image of someone else's work.

 

Like these?
Amazon.com: Cosmos ® 8 PCS Copper VGA RAM Cooling Heatsinks cooler + Cosmos Cable Tie: Computers & Accessories

 

Yup! She's the one!

 

I think you can save more doing it yourself. I just wish I can find the image I saw earlier. :/

I'm planning to do this to my Malibal Satori myself (P170EM). I might use the Cosmos or Zalman.

Amazon.com: Zalman VGA Ram Heatsinks (8) P/N ZM-RHS1: Computers & Accessories

 

If you are placing on the heatpipes those 6mm heatsinks won't work. The depth has to be under 4mm, anything equal to 5mm or taller than 5mm will be touching the backplate.

 

Good to know! Thanks!

Would it be advisable to chose between those two and just grind it down to ~4mm? If not, where can I find a 4mm set?

 

Aluminium

Akasa AK-VCM01-BK VGA RAM heatsink | eBay

Copper

Copper DDR DDR3 Ram Memory Cooler HeatSink For Ram VGA - UK SELLER #A-224 | eBay

Any of those would do, Aluminium has lower thermal conductivity but dissipate the heat to air quicker, copper has higher thermal conductivity but dissipate the heat to air slower.

By the way there's next to no airflow around the heatpipe so if too much heat was dissipated the hot air will just store inside your machine and make the situation worse, so remember not to put too many of those unless you install a small fan or an external cooler to help the airflow.

 

Understood. I have this for external cooling: http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/676551-effects-cooler-master-notepal-u3-w-6-fans.html

So copper would be better then?

 

Most people will go for copper.

 

Profiting from the marginal design of the product. Gotta love capitalism!

 

How much would this drop temps?

 

not much, i literally did the same thing, and because there is no extra circulation it mearly builds up heat into the air cavaty, so in the short term it takes longer to heat up, but then it keeps the heat longer. this is why added the few small blowers to my machine, but the airflow needs to flow from the bottom of the case out the back.

 

It will drop temps about 2-5C depending on what you're doing. What its doing is adding surface area to the heat transfer pipes which allows more heat to dissipate. While the heat will be in that area like aduy mentioned, it does move it away from the components which is the important thing.

 

Do you have any pictures of the installed heatsinks? Are they custom built for the 9150 by xoticpc?

 

No pics yet but hoping to get them added soon. We just put up the option today. They arent made specifically for the NP9150, we actually offer it on many models we offer.

 

this one ships to america

Copper Heat Sink For DDR DDR2 DDR3 RAM Memory Cooler | eBay

 

you guys should offer a custom back cover that provides better air-flow its gonna provide better temp drops and i am sure many of us will be willing to pay ~80 for it

 

I get these from ebay 8 piece set VGA Video Card Memory Heatsinks Cooler Cooling For DDR DDR2 DDR3 RAM | eBay
and also thinking to install fan from hp mini which is 42x45x8mm but dont know where to connect to not lose warranty
i want this fan to run nonstop
http://img13.allegroimg.pl/photos/oryginal/24/75/64/62/2475646209

 

Many of us NEVER use the optical drive bay and could yank it.

Wouldn't it be great if heat pipes led to sinks/fan where the yanked optical drive was?

 

But most who don't use that bay use it for a third hard drive. Also the second hard drive, at least for the P170EM, is right there with it. Introducing heat there and potential data loss are two big no-no's.

But if you modify your caddy and put an intake fan there instead, now that would be helpful. Especially if you make it so that there's a partition that redirects the fan's intake towards the back. It can sweep all the warm air towards the back an out of the exhaust. This would be especially handy if you have the copper heatsinks on the copper pipes/surfaces.

EDIT: When you said "Many of us NEVER use the optical drive bay and could yank it", you probably meant yourself and a handful of others?

 

Most use it for a third hard drive? I don't think so!

 

When the Malibal forum was still up I saw a lot of guys, who claimed to have a USB optical drive, opting for a third HDD.



Like I said, most went for a third hard drive despite what you think.

 

Agreed. If it is not filled with an optical drive, the most popular alternative (at least here on NBR) seems to be a hard drive in a optical drive bay caddy.

 

That would be horrible, I'd have hot air blowing onto my hand. That's the dumbest idea. And plus don't need it, already runs cool. 7970M operates up to 120C I believe.

 

That's another thing. Hot air blowing into your hand. Lol.

Forget having a second or third HDD for the 17" Clevos, say hello to first degree burn. Lol.

 

If you aren't interested in cooling, why are you reading this thread?


I'll admit I do not understand how this idea translates into burning your hand.

 

You know how the copper pipes leads to the radiator fins in the back where the fan blows through them? Under stress, the air coming out of there gets pretty hot. You want to replicate that where the optical bay is? I'm sure that the vast majority here will agree that the answer is "no, it wouldn't be great if heat pipes led to sinks/fan were put there".

Also, if you run the copper pipes from the CPU/GPU towards the optical bay, even if there aren't any hard drives there for you to ruin, you'd be running the copper pipes near other components in that distance. So now you're passing heat there, too. Note that distance is longer compared to the current pipes. So you're actually spreading the heat around inside so you can have a fan where the optical bay is to blow the hot air to your hand and mouse. That's not winning.

 

Thank you for explaining that air expelled from a laptop is hot. Who knew?

So you think GPU heat pipe should be removed since it heats the surrounding area and components? um...

OK, I never have my right hand up against the laptop. I use a wireless trackball. OK, it's not for everyone to have a fan there, but listen... If you look at the width of the drive bay, it's quite wide. The fan output could be similarly wide, dispersing the heat over a good area so you don't get a narrow jet of blasting heat.

I bet less than 10% of people who own these laptops have a drive in the optical bay. I bet more than 50% of them never use the optical bay. OK I just made that up, but there's a lot of people who would find some use of the bay area interesting.

 

Disagree. Probably maybe 10% have a HDD in the optical drive. And maybe you should try putting your hand on the vent behind the laptop, air is hot and that air is large, the whole dispersal is hot.

You're not making any sense. Putting a vent right where people use their mouse for gaming is just asinine. Even if the air wasn't hot, having air blown in that direction would still be asinine and annoying.

 

Make it an intake-> problem solved.

 

It's opinion guys. Some use optical, some have an extra Hdd.. We should try to keep this topic on track. Couple of you dont need cooling solutions, you should be enjoying your machine

Like that suggestion a lot R3d.. The optical bay is a decent sized space.. You'd have to mod the bottom of the case for the fan to suck air in from the bottom, and have a fan that pushed shed air out the side. I don't think they have fans that would intake well from the side (make a grated cover or something) and push that air out the other side. That would push air over the fins on these extra copper pieces, just have to see about alling that air to exit somewhere properly though

 

Precisely what I said. If someone who don't want to use it for an optical drive or a 2nd/3rd (for 15"/17") HDD, mod the caddy to hold an intake fan. Not an exhaust. That's just crazy talk.

 

Not everyone habitually puts their hand by the optical bay, you understand?
I know I don't.

Just because it isn't for everyone doesn't mean it doesn't make any sense or is asinine.

 

Again, try putting your hand where the vent is in the back under load. The hot air is blown quite far. And where do you put your hand, when you use the mouse? Unless you are lefty, it would be where the optical bay is. Your arm and hand would be getting scorched.

 

I think there is a far larger percent of people who do not use their optical drive, compared to the number of people who use the optical drive for hard drive or ssd storage. I said it was speculation when I first wrote it.

The point is there is a lot of people who aren't using the optical drive bay space, and wouldn't it be great if people came up with an idea to use it for cooling.

We can turn the fan around so it blows in, or some people might not have their hand there and it can blow out. There can be multiple ideas.
If you need to shout down ideas calling them "crazy" and "asinine" it's ok with me, not every idea is for everyone.

 

are they charging 80$ for cooper radiators which cost 6$ on ebay?


8 piece set VGA Video Card Memory Heatsinks Cooler Cooling For DDR DDR2 DDR3 RAM | eBay

 

I doubt they pay $6, probably $2 from the manufacturer

 

If someone does leave their hand their too long and needs skin grafts , you can bet they will sue and they will win.

 

remove optical drive and add additional cooling system

 

Go for it. Who needs their right hand anyway, you got a spare.

 

If people are willing to pay that much for it, why not?

 

This does not seem like a good value for money upgrade ... Better spend that money on something more useful!

 

unless they add extra fans to cool the extra copper this is pretty much useless. i know this because i have done it on my machine.

 

fan from hp mini may fit into ram space.I can get one from auction for cheap.Maybe a give it a try.

 

i say go for it, if you have an hdd caddy and soldering skills, use power from the caddy and add a switch into the side of it. then you wont void your warranty. also make sure you really measure, i was only able to fit a 30mm wide fan, and only 10mm tallish, i got my hdd caddy in today, so now im just waiting for the extra thick copper tape.

 

It seems to me the 3 year warranty is a better choice if you are really worried about heat issues. If the heat turns out to be a serious issue then you are covered in addition to any other issues you may have. As a long time desktop builder I also find these temps surprising but I am going to take the manufacturers and resellers word for it that it is fine. If it turns out to be a problem then it is their problem not mine.

 

this is actually stupid to do unless you have ventilation for the heatsinks. it would actually be better to insulate the heatpipes so that they transfer all of the heat to the fins. otherwise that extra copper will just keep extra heat in the case instead of transfering it out. so xotic do some research first before you market something like this.