clevo 780m vs 8970m

hello guys,


now i am looking for a clevo the 370 barebones (dont know if it becomes the em/sm/st one)

i7-4800mq
16 gigs ram 1600mhz
250 gig ssd
1000 gig hdd
17 inch

only thing that is switsting my is will i buy the 780m or the 8970m in it

i game alot bf3/crysis3/dayz/tera etc

i am looking for a system that wont become to hot (hate the annoying sounds of full power vents when playing midd settings game)

looking forward to your thoughts.

(yes i know my english sucks, )

 

780M actually performs better than 8970M in most of applications, see comparison below.
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M - NotebookCheck.net Tech

Additionally, you can go to Futuremark to get the score comparison as well. Make sure to check only Laptop GPUs.
Best Graphics Cards December - 2013

 

Not only 780M performs better on stock clocks, it can also be overclocked with a lot more success than 8970M. So if you can afford it, definitely go for NVIDIA.

 

I would vote for the 780 as well. While a spec sheet might not overwhelming justify the price increase in the 780 vs. the 8970 in real life practice there is no comparison (or so I have heard...a lot). That being said, the 8970 has good cost to performance ratio, in my opinion the 780 is overpriced but I still think it is worth it. If you can afford it go for it.

I recently ordered a Clevo P157sm, initially I went with the 8970 because I couldn't justifying spending an extra $300. After some additional research I came to the conclusion that the $300 bucks was almost like an insurance policy. Granted not everyone has issues with the 8970 but a lot of people do. It gave me some piece of mind. I contacted Sager and they were happy to upgrade me (thankfully I didn't opt for rush).

In my mind it was well spent. In a few years when the 780 starts to drag I'll upgrade my PSU and OC.

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780 is worth the money over the 8970M if you can spare it.

 

great to hear it guys and thanks for the responses. 780m it wil be.

Second question

will i be able to buy the extra copper coolers at xoticpc for the sager/clevo system even if i didnt buy a laptop at them ?

why because xnb (xnotebooks) is very close to my home and for warranty i kinda like that more. but they dont offer the extra copper option

 

The copper is only warranted if you intend to put the machine on a cooling pad, dremel (ie cut) the base plate of the machine and a hole in the side of the casing which would certainly kill your warranty dead.

 

The key message!

The 780M is ridiculously priced.

 

hmm just had a talk whit the reseller of the system,

he tells me he can send my the crossfire 8970m for the same price as the 780m single........


auw any thoughts

 

I'd take that option without thinking. The 8970M CrossFire is much more powerful than a single 780M.

Totally up to you though.

 

thanks Geko

seems you got a 8970m how are your experience whit it ?

i am now also leanin over alot big time

 

Its been pretty much perfect... everything I need, and no driver issues to speak of.

Metro Last Light gives me 45FPS+ on very high settings, Crysis 2 does 40FPS smoothly on Extreme settings and Vsync on.

Saying that, I havent tried overclocking it yet... probably because I've had no need to.

 

sounds good and that for a single one....

thanks for the feedback Geko. mutch appreciated

 

Not a problem mate, I'm genuinely pleased with going for the 8970M.

In my eyes sloshing out so much cash for a single 780M just isnt worth it.

 

btw how is the temp ? my older 7970m did get hot most of the times

 

I get 80C on full load and 99% utilization in something like Crysis 2. Which is about 7C lower than my previous nVidia used to go up to.

Older games like Half-Life 2 get about 72C.

 

Have you compared the 2x 8970 vs the 780M? Performance with dual cards is 20-80% better than the single card. Most think 2x of the same card will be double performance, or 100% better. So depending on the game the single 780M card will perform better than 2x 8970. Of course in other games the two cards will be better. So check reviews...

Also with two cards you run the risk of issues like microstutter.

You mentioned the noise concern. These still get noisy when gaming. Some of the notebookcheck reviews mention dba noise readings.

btw, In my eyes, the 780M was worth it. That is what I got since it plays all games at high or ultra...

 

Can't comment on the 8970M but with 780M SLI I have yet to observe the fans go into full throttle even when gaming for hours on end in demanding games like Sleeping Dogs. Temps vary from 80-86 depending on room temp. I think Clevo programmed the fans to only go into turbo mode if temps go above 92 (the temp at which 780M starts throttling anyway).

On the other hand, if I force turbo fans when gaming then temps drop 5-10 degrees across the board for the CPU and both GPUs. I actually prefer to have turbo fans on when gaming especially if it's a demanding game or I know I'll be gaming for hours. Fans are much cheaper (and easier) to replace.

 

Oké money is no. issue and forget iT for af wel sec answering this

780m sli or 8970m cf

Gaming crysis bf3 and more

And lease say why. Ty

 

Go 8970M CF eyes closed, i bet there are only a few titles in wich the performance is close to a single 780M. 80% or more will run probably 50% better or faster.
I own a 7970M and have no complaints, if temps go too high just turn your clevo off, open it and clean the damn vents and heatsinks, i do it monthly and now my temps never go above 70C playing hours, CPU gets even hotter and dirtier, so do your maintenance.
Vents i use at max speed, just because its a lot cooler, about 10 degrees, i am used to it and if you use phones you wont hear much anyway.

I play Crysis 3 with no problems and quite high settings, and thats just an old 7970, BF3 aint my game, DOTA2 runs like hell all maxed.

 

8970M < 780M < 8970M xfire < 780M SLI

 

If you have no issues with $, then go for the 780M SLI.

 

Yes, this would be the max money option. It depends of what performance you need and how future proof you want. A single 780M handles current games on ultra at full HD. Of course it is hard to predict the future. If you wait a few months it looks like the next gen Nvidia cards will be out. Not sure when the next AMD cards will come out.

 

Exactly right!

In another view:

Fairly cheap < utter extortion < more expensive < ultra costly

 

If money is no issue then get the 780M SLI. Although the more I game the more I realize the SLI is really only useful if you absolutely have to max out everything, including AA. If you turn AA off then even Crysis 3 will run at 40+ FPS on ultra with just a single 780M. And quite frankly if you're playing a fast paced FPS you won't have time to notice jagged edges.

 

I sense some bias here... Since those go up in cost, and performance, but your word choices seem to imply otherwise. Not everyone needs to, or wants to make the same decision as you did. Best to stick to the facts, and let the reader make up there own mind.

 

Jagged edges certainly are not as noticeable as they used to be on lower resolution screens. Plus, some of the post processing smoothing looks as good as some AA, without hitting the gpu so hard. So, yes, a single 780M or 8970M should work for most games and gamers.

 

I have 2 x 7970m and game at 2560 X 1440 Ilyama 27" on a Clevo p370em Via display port

The 7970m is pretty much a 8790m, with the core clock down by 50 mhz .

Value wise, there is no question 8970m CFX over 780m if you can get for the same price. You wont need anymore performance (Even with most games at 2560 x 1440) - overclocking is just fun to see how close you can get to the best desktop cards on 3dmark!

If money is no object then 780m SLI is the best of the best for performance - but you will pay for it.

Besides with the 880m range soon to be confirmed , you may see a price drop on the 780m some time next year.

Cfx has come along way in the last 2 years ,and with AMD mantle round the corner, you may see the 8970m comfortably besting the 780m at games like BF4.

However, both are great cards so choose away

 

Its not really bias, its the truth.

I had an nVidia card before and loved the performance of it, even though the temps were a bit high.

 

Kepler made a big difference though to temperatures.

The 780M is unlikely to drop in price quickly.

 

"utter extortion" is the truth?

 

Utter extortion is definitely an exaggeration but there's no denying that the 780M is overpriced. And this from someone who owns and fully enjoys the 780M SLI.

Sad though because I used to be a huge fan of ATi before the merger with AMD. The Radeon 8500 was pretty legendary back in the old days, and was simply unbeatable by any nVidia card at its price point.

 

Yes, the 8970M offers better price per performance. And AMD has Enduro working better, nor have I heard of any real problems. I think both cards are good cards. It really becomes a financial decision, and everybody's finances are different.

 

Nvidia charge more becuase they can. However you are not forced to buy their products so extortion seems a bit extreme.

 

I don't even think 780m have a worse price per performance, its just so much more powerful with bigger OC capability, and especially for the ones who DOESNT have much money it can be a better deal since it will last longer before having to update.

 

That doesnt make sense, people who dont have much money simply cannot afford the 780M. Hence will be buying the 8970M instead.

 

Buying something that will last much longer so you dont have to spend money again so soon doesnt make sense? Right...

 

Not everyone has that amount of cash to put forward at the time of purchase.

Plus, no one has said that the 8970M wont last as long or perform just as well on most games.

 

I am saying it =D. Its much more powerful with more OC capability, so you are able to play games at reasonable quality and FPS for longer, before having to buy a newer, better notebook.
And if someone are willing to spend like 1500 in a gamer notebook what are 200-300 more?

 

A month's rent?

 

Come on guys this is a senseless argument. From as far back as the GeForce 3 era nVidia always had (or rather, had to have) the best and fastest card, and that of course came at a price premium. Really the choice between 780M and 8970M is simple -- do you want the absolute best performance that money can buy right now? If yes, then shell out the extra couple hundred and don't look back. No sense in complaining otherwise.

 

It is not overpriced if people buy it

 

Wow I wish a months rent was that cheap! But I get what you are saying, these cards all exist at different price points so railing against any of them does not make sense. Buying the one that's best for you does.

 

One of the reasons I went for the 780M was because I think it will be cheaper in the long run. I hope this computer will last many years. Getting a slower gpu, or cpu, might mean that I would have to upgrade sooner. After all if the gpu can not handle most games any more, then it is time to upgrade. While there is a chance I might be able to upgrade just the gpu, there is also the chance I would have to change the entire laptop.

Anyway, there is no one right answer for everyone, just the right choice for you. Both manufacturers are producing good cards now. I hope that keeps up, as competition means that the gamers win...

 

Went to check the price, and it seems like going from the 8970m cross fire to the 780m SLI is an additional $450. Which makes a price difference of $225. Personally, i don't think it's that bad at all. It cost me almost $350 swapping out my 7970m to the 680m. $450 looks like a deal to me. So, only one question remains. How much faster is the 780m?

 

25-30%.
And what ajnnindlo said is exactly what I was explaining and the reason I choose the 780m. About 30% faster is a big diference, and I am not even mentioning with OC. Last year people would choose 680m over 7970m and pay $300 and both have the same perfirmance =D. So... why buy a 7970m with 50MHz OC and not pay for a 780m which really have improved?
As you all are saying, there is no right answer and you should buy what you think is best for you, but actually, with gamer notebooks the general rule is: Buy the best GPU that you can afford.

 

Stock I think the 780Ms do offer value over the 8970 at stock, but overclocked it becomes pretty insane.

 

What is the average OC performance of both? I tend to be skeptical of OC postings in forums.

 

780m can be OCed as much as 30% or so, while the 7970m cant be OCed very well. And since the 8970m is an 7970m already OCed by 50MHz...
My score at 3dmark 11 was 8181 at stock clocks which is awesome and people break the 10k mark easy enough with OC

 

There isn't a single score over 10k with i7-4700MQ and GTX 780M. Stock clocks have a score of about 7500 looking at the bulk of reported scores.

However you are right, GTX 780M does overclock much better than 8970M.