gtx580m weird pricing, discuss

Everyone please go check alienware.com the US site and you will notice that the gtx580m is priced the same as the radeon 6990m, I mean exactly the same. I also do not mean that the radeon 6990m is overpriced but more like the 580m is discounted. Why is this so?

Now why isnt this reflected anywhere else? It is not even reflected in the Canadian Alienware site which does not make much sense. It not being reflected on Sager/Clevo resellers/builders maybe more of a business decision or something but I do not understand why Canadian Alienware does not reflect it. I will definitely love a Clevo + discounted gtx580m for better driver support. Any thoughts on the subject everyone? I am guessing many of you will also love a Clevo + gtx580m if it is priced exactly the same as a 6990m.

 

Just an update, a week or so ago it was priced US$80 more than the Radeon 6990m, now it is exactly the same O.O!!!!

 

Have always been with ATI for better pricing but will love to try Nvidia if they are priced the same.

 

It's terrible that it's restricted to Dell, and only in the US. IMO this looks bad on nvidia. This sort of exclusivity is not fair.

 

They're kinda late to the show... lol

If it was the same price I personally would have went with the 580m..

I'm sure I would have been just as happy as I am with the 6990m...

 

the entire world will choose 580m over 6990m, just because of the drivers. physx and other stuff are added bonuses. I chose 6970 over 560m because they are different classes and it was a free upgrade. True AMD fans would choose 6990

 

Haha, perfect way of saying it.

Seriously, I think AMD's biggest/only selling point here is price. If Nvidia actually wanted to push them out, they could totally demolish them in this arena. If the difference to upgrade from one to the other on a Sager was the same as it takes to jump from the 6970M to a 6990M, many sigs would be saying GTX 580M instead right now. Still, it's good that AMD is around to keep Nvidia from doing anything even crazier.

 

Alienware can lower the price because they're overcharging to such a blatant degree on every other upgrade option, on top of the chassis itself.

I mean, the base machine with zero upgrades and a 6990M or 580M is already over $2k. And it costs another $150 to even have a basic 1080p screen.

 

I have been configuring AWs for months and they are always way over priced, toss in extra support costs and it just gets worse. The pricing schemes they have now also drive me crazy and remind me of buying a car. At this point I don't even bother going to their site.

 

I'll probably order a P150HM with a 580M soon.

Hopefully it retains its resale value in case there is a significantly better 680M.

 

Would you say that this price cut is not Nvidia's doing but more like Alienware/Dell US division doing? Yeh, I too hate the the unfair pricing and bad customization options on AW, but was thinking that if this is Nvidia's doing then there maybe a chance that it will carry over to Clevo's laptops. I mean why would Nvidia give AW special discount anyways. Furthermore Canadian AW dont have this discount.

 

This is Alienware stuff.

We've talked about this when the 580M itself got price cuts regarding Alienware, and the resellers told us that it was up to Sager to decide the pricing policy.

The reason our AMD 6990m is cheaper is also because of this; it is up to Sager to decide. The Clevo 580M will not drop in price unless Sager changes the pricing.

P.S. This is not the first time 580M got a price drop for Alienware.

 

There will be a 680M, I forget who posted its projected performance stats and where, but it will be a significant upgrade over the 580M... it's only a matter of when it will be released.

 

well I already bought my sys, I will be looking at the performance of next gen to upgrade in another 11 months

 

Let us pray that the next gen 7xxx are compatible with the current laptops.

 

Just did some searching, and it does look like a significant upgrade:

 

nah man, i usually sell my laptops and buy a brand new one

 

Try configuring an AW alongside a similar spec'd Clevo w/580M... I'm pretty sure the AW will still be about $500 more expensive despite this "price cut." They can afford to lower the upgrade price because their profit margin is still high

 

Yup, that was the chart I was referring to. The 680M is going to be a major leap ahead in performance, I just hope it will be compatible with current models as an upgrade.

 

What chart? I see nothing.

 

This chart:


I took it out when I quoted him because I didn't want to clog up the page with same image twice (even though I'm effectively doing that now anyway)

 

lmao... i don't see the chart. sure you are linking to it correctly?

 

after skimming through....

it was nvidia who cut the price.

 

Yeah... I missed the free upgrade... CrossfireX 6970Ms for $100 more than stock price? Yes please.

 

Um yeah, there's no image in your post, and quoting you doesn't even show that you've posted anything.

 

I see it, I see the one he originally posted and I see the one I posted in your quote. Not sure what the problem is.

Here is the image address if that helps: http://www.cbbimg.com/out.php/i101810_gtx600m1.JPG

 

Clicking on your link gets the following message:

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You don't have permission to access /out.php/i101810_gtx600m1.JPG on this server.

Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

 

So if Nvidia are the ones that cut pricing, won't that mean everyone got the gtx 580m for cheaper and thus should offer it cheaper? If what you say is true, are you implying that everyone else that did not cut pricing are actually making more off the sale due to lower cost for purchasing the 580m?

I was also thinking that perhaps the competitors who have not cut pricing purchased the gtx 580m at the original price before the discount and therefore have to clear the old stock before re-purchasing at the current discounted price. Will this be correct?

 

yeah, im not impling anything other than what happen with dell/nvidia. have no clue about sager/nvidia. But dell is self contained. And we already had a drought on amd and nvidia...Smaller branches should have been out long ago.

 

The gtx580m is 650USD on the Clevo spare parts price list (2011/10/20 version)...

 

I dont think we can buy 2 at the 600 dollar price tag it's listed at.
And last i checked. dell was asking 2k or more..lol, But they may have came down a bit since then.

 

guys cant see bcz that is my post in 滄者

note nvidia physx cheat so x0.85=overall score..........but gtx680m 100w still beat 7900m 100w

 

Wait what, nvidia notebook flagship beats desktop amd flagship? What happen to amd notebook versions?

 

I don't think that mobile gpus are going to kick desktop counterparts. If nvidia will release a new refresh in the upcoming months, it will do the same with desktop's Kepler core.
Probably the new mobile gpus will still be fermi based althought with new revision (gf116-gf120 probably).
I think nvidia is aiming to get a performance comparable to gtx560ti 448cores or gtx570 desktop cards with much lower clock speed.
Based on the chart above I assume that the gtx485/580m refresh will be the gtx670m clocked at least at 700-725 on core, 1600 on VRAM.
Gtx680m looks sexy thought, prolly lower clocks (around 600ish) but with higher specs.

 

What...AMD is just giving up?

 

I'm hoping that the 580's will drop in price before the end of December so that I can take advantage of the free shipping and $100 off deals. I'm in no hurry since I won't be home until the end of January.

 

alienware is the most overrated - overpriced crap out there. It looks cool - that's what you are getting(Looks).

I mean, literally... Can anyone make a legit argument for the price inflation via performance?

Alienwares primary customer base has got to be 16 year olds.

 

I read in the forums that the next gen GFX card will indeed be compatible with current sockets, it just needs a Bios update!

 

Hummm, considering I have owned both.
Yes, I can. And as of today's pricing, US dell is now beating sager/clevo.

But Ill give you just one thing you can not do with sager/clevo. You can not upgrade to the next model for free. Not ever! No matter how many problems you have. Nor can you upgrade your 6990M to gtx580M for free either. which people were able to do.

 

So, you can take your Mx18 from last year and upgrade it to a new one anytime you want, free of charge? How long does this process take? Is it like, 2 weeks, or like, 6 months?

And, you think it's justified to pay an average of 500$ more for a laptop with a 580m instead of a 6990?

The Mx17 w/ identical stats to below(with 580M though) runs $1909.00 vs. the Sager at $1419.00(w/ 6990)... (neither include the SSD).

So, why not just buy the 580M in an 8170 for $1714?

And, you can't even buy a Dell XPS with a GPU higher than a 555m...

If I'm missing out on some kind of awesome deal I'd like to know about it.. I just don't see the intelligence involved in the price point differences..

One looks cool - has a cool name - but is grossly overpriced. The other gives you the maximum bang for your buck for a new system on the entire market. There is no way that a system limited to a 555m is even comparable to a system with a 6990 capable of running a 580m.

 

I don't dislike Alienware myself, per se. I just don't like their looks, hehe. Way too blatant and muscle-car for me whereas I'm more into understated elegance.

Heck, still I was very tempted by the 25% off Alienware/Dell coupon available for sale a few weeks ago. The nail in the coffin was the lack of a 15.6" platform at Alienware though.

 

People with m17x r2's have upgraded to the m18x. And this is a fact. But like I said...It's because they had problems with their last setup and dell felt it better to just upgrade and keep the customer happy. They do do a lot for all that money you pay.

Not sure what pricing your looking at but the 580m sli is 600 bucks. And amd is 550 bucks. Pretty obvious as to which cards to get now.

Don't take this the wrong way...but...
...as far as pricing goes...If you need to worry about the price... chances are you can't really afford it. (That goes for any product) You buy what you want/need not what price dictates. And yes, i will also agree..AW systems are priced through the moon...but as of right now...they are not...

And looking at the p180hm & p170hm same specs.
Pricing looks to be pretty even right now.
Not to mention far better warranty service for a standard warranty.


side note:
what is an 8170

edit:
nvm. And they are the same price. Not sure where this 500 dollar difference comes from. I just configured one one.
http://www.sagernotebook.com/index.php?page=product_customed&model_name=NP8170

 

A 8170 is a Sager-built Clevo P170HM.

I was actually pretty surprised by some of the pricing configurations at Alienware recently. They weren't bad at all. There are still niches in configurations where one is cheaper than the other, but overall the pricing isn't bad.

On another note, do you know why the heck they discontinued the M15x? I guess I can appreciate the M14x, but not the M11x. The shear idea of a gaming 11" laptop is an oxymoron. How does that stay while the M15x goes? I have to believe 15.6" is one of the universally most desired sizes. That is actually my biggest pet peeve with Alienware, hehe.

 

But of course gwilled. At the end of the day... Alienware will be more costly 97 percent of the time....But now...it's just not in the 1000's of dollars.. .

Not sure about that, but that m14x looks like a nice go between. Did not like the m11x. It was lacking to many options for it's size. (Personal opinion only)

Does your have a backlit keyboard?

 

I dont' know where you are getting your pricing from.

I got the system below from XoticPC shipped for $1419.00 and could have upgraded to the 580M for $1714.00.

These prices do include the NBR discount.

The same AW system is $1909 from Alienware.com and $2054 from Powernotebooks...

Either way, it's not the same price, it's $200 more for an Alienware with identical specs to a P170/8170 OR(that's right, OR) $500 cheaper for an 8170 w/ a 6990... While AW's same system w/ the 6990 is still $1909.00.

 

Performance for less money trumps appearance 100% of the time - even if you aren't frugal.

 

You need to add the real 120 hz screen bundle to your price. And the same other parts. Im sure if i could just add the regular screen, it would be far cheaper. Not to mention coupons and and discounts not added yet.

Side note:
We are talking to day prices, not a few months back.
My system cost 4500 a few months back, which now cost me 3600.

Problem with that is..I hold all the records with an alienware... . Use to hold them with my d901C back in the day though...

 

You are right..

The AW that I priced only has a 1600x900 17.3.. Put on the 1920x1080 FHD(like my Sager has) and it brings the price up to $2059 for the identical AW model but w/ the 580m...

So, that's 1714$(8170) vs. $2059(AW 17x) with identical stats(580M).

Or, $1419(8170 w/ 6990) vs. $2059(AW 17x w/ 6990) and identical stats.

 

No. Im talking about your setup. I used the highest priced m17x setup.
And when i did them both..they came out to around 2500 to 2600 dollars.

but this setup below is matching what your talking about.
Dell Price $1,749.00
Software & Services
Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit
Intel® Core™ i7 2670QM 2.2GHz (3.1GHz w/Turbo Boost, 6MB Cache)
4GB Dual Channel DDR3 at 1600MHz (2DIMMS)
1.5GB GDDR5 NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560M
500GB 7200RPM SATA 3Gb/s
17.3-inch WideFHD 1920 x 1080 60Hz WLED
Intel Centrino Wireless-N 1000
8X Slot-Load Dual Layer DVD Burner (DVD+-RW, CD-RW)
My Software & Accessories
Alienware M17x, Soft Touch Stealth Black
Quasar Blue
Steam and Portal™ Factory Installed
My Accessories
1 Year Basic Plan
No Anti-Virus Software Selected
Also Includes
Standard Nameplate
Internal High-Definition 5.1 Surround Sound Audio
Alienware M17x 240W A/C Adapter
Adobe Acrobat Reader

Your unit price here is: Unit Total: $1,449.00 Which is about 300 bucks less.

But you add the coupons and 20 percent off..pretty much makes up any difference.... should one be lucky enough to catch 20 percent off..


Side Note:
Oh yeah...how do you over clock np8170?

 

Except that setup has a 560m... Not at all comparable to a 6990.