gtx580m weird pricing, discuss

I'm using the AW M17x that starts at $1599.00 on Dell.

The Dell Online Store: Build Your System

Vs. the Sager 8170 that starts at $1269.73..

Sager NP8170 (Built on Clevo P170HM) Custom Gaming Laptop

Identical stats show that the AW is $345 more(unless Dell offers the $50 discount for NBR members) with a 580m.

The AW is $640ish more than the same 8170 w/ a 6990 rather than 580m.

 

That's actually pretty good pricing at xotic. Your still not using the same components. but never the less pretty good.

And that setup in your sig... does it have system wide over clocking?

Side Note:
With exact same options I get this.
Regular Price
Cash Discount
Cash Discounted Price

$1663.00
$49.89
$1613.11

 

You are right... I was actually off on the Ram(pricing the 8170 w/ 8gb 1333 4sodim vs. 8 gb 16004sodimm).

The two systems w/ the upgraded screen to 120 mhz 3d
- Both w/ 2670 i7 2.2 - 3.1
- 6990's
- 8 gb 1600(Xotic only offers 2sodimm vs. AW's 4sodimm 1600)
- 500 gb 7200 rpm hdd
- windows premium
- Intel advanced 6000 series card
- 8x DVD r/w

Xotic: $1,634.00 shipped

Dell: $2,259.00 shipped

Both systems w/ the 580M instead of 6990:

Xotic: $1,964.00 shipped

Dell: $2,259.00 shipped


It doesn't have a turbo option/button if that's what you mean, but yes, you can overclock to 3.1 if you are willing to run the risk.

 

Do you see where you need to add 239.00 dollars to the price. that is a screen equivalent to the one in the aw
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17.3" FHD 16:9 "Glare Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright LED Glossy Screen (1920x1080) (SKU - S1R506)
17.3" FHD 16:9 120Hz 3D "MatteType" Super Clear Ultra Bright LED Screen (1920x1080) - (NVIDIA 485M/560M & 580M Only) (Doesn’t Include NVIDIA 3D Glasses)(SKU - S1R558) ( + 135 )
17.3" FHD 16:9 "Glare Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright LED Glossy Screen w/ 90% NTSC Color Gamut (1920x1080)
(Will add 4-7 business days to build time) (SKU - X1R507) ( + 185 )
17.3" FHD 16:9 "Matte Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright LED Anti-Glare Screen w/ 72% NTSC Color Gamut (1920x1080)
(Will add 4-7 business days to build time) (SKU - X1R552) ( + 199 )
17.3" FHD 16:9 120Hz 3D "MatteType" Super Clear Ultra Bright LED Screen (1920x1080) - w/ 1 Pair NVIDIA 3D Glasses
(Can only be used NVIDIA 485M/560M & 580M) (SKU - S1R559) ( + 200 )
17.3" FHD 16:9 "Matte Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright LED Anti-Glare Screen w/ 72% NTSC Color Gamut (1920x1080) + 30 Day No Dead Pixel Warranty
(Will add 4-7 business days to build time) (SKU - X1R561) ( + 239 )
17.3" FHD 16:9 "Glare Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright LED Glossy Screen w/ 90% NTSC Color Gamut (1920x1080) + 30 Day No Dead Pixel Warranty
(Will add 4-7 business days to build time) (SKU - X1R560) ( + 239 )

 

This has been a fun comparison... I would say that it's safe to assume we are both thoroughly bored at the moment. Hah.

 

I added the 120mhz 3d to BOTH the 8170 and the 17x in my last assesment above...

Still, $600+ difference in the two w/ 6990's and $300+ diff in the two w/ 580m's..

 

I see what you are saying now though..

The 8170 I priced didn't come w/ 3d glasses..($200 upgrade from stock 17.3 1920x1080 FHP) - the AW screen is NOT 72 or 90% NTSC capable).

That makes the price $1699.00 shipped.

So that's $1699 vs. $2259(6990's)

or

$2029 vs. $2259(580m's)

In effect, you are paying 220$ for the 580m upgrade and AW name, or $560 for the AW name(w/ 6990s)... Rather than it being free as advertised.

 

But yes, the 580M has dropped in price. Seems like nvidia has heard our crys. And a very good thing indeed....

On the other hand...

New gpus could be out sooner than we think.
(speculation of course)


jmiller0809...keep trying my friend..You'll get it right sooner or later.
your missing:
The right wifi
OS
High quality 90 gambit screen (both setups are 60hz only and no 3d)
4 gb 1600 mhz ram

but on the other hand, aw is off the hook with that 200 dollar upgrade to 8 gigs of 1600 mhz ram!.

Your right. it's been fun.

Of course AW is going to cost more. Thats a given to say the least...but along with that you get.
next day in home services if parts are available.
replacement parts like running water.
bartering on price per parts
switching or adding some parts.
over clocking your system to the moon and getting it replaced....but for flat out price..the sager all the way. because the end user can have most of the parts at home and just buy the shell...


Still, i have to love the price drop! Go nvidia!

 

Ok.. So , the 10$ difference in a Intel Advancted 6230 vs. 6250 is gonna make a huge difference...

I priced both screens identically. There is NO difference there. And, for the record, the 8170's stock screen is better than AW's. (1920x1080 vs. 1600x900) - yet you have to pay $150 extra at AW to upgrade to the 8170's stock screen...


Both Comp's I broke down above come w/ windows 7 home Premium and both came w/ 8 gb 1600 RAM only XoticPC's 2 so Dimm is actually more valuable than AW's 4 so dimm...

And, to upgrade the 8170 from 8 gb 1333 4 sodimm to 8 gb 1600 2 sodimm, it's only $90...(So much for your $200 upgrade for AW's 1600 4 sodimm...)

I believe you just aren't willing to admit to yourself that you overpaid out the *** for an identical system that looks cooler.

Sager/Clevo > AW.. Especially when you consider pricepoint.. The two aren't comparable - yet dummies still by AW without researching other brands...

You didn't even know what a 8170 was at this start of this so... I rest my case.

 

Sager naming is rebranded. Clevo is the maker.
From earlier post:
And looking at the p180hm & p170hm same specs.
Pricing looks to be pretty even right now.
Not to mention far better warranty service for a standard warranty.

Sager NP8170 / Clevo P170HM
Sub-Total: $2,089.00
Sager NP8170 / Clevo P170HM
- FREE!! Continental (U.S. Lower 48 - UPS Ground Only) Ground Shipping on ALL Sager Laptops - Until 01/01/2012
(Enter Coupon Code: "SAGERFREESHIP" during order process)
- SAGER Sale!!! - $100 OFF When you spend $1500* or more! (*excludes non-sager parts, accessories, shipping, & taxes)
Confirmation of discount will be provided after Order Processing.
- FREE Digital Copy of Battlefield 3 w/ Any Intel 120GB SSD or Higher Hard Drive Upgrade + Sager Price Protection
+ Automatically Qualified to Win an Xbox 360!!!
- 17.3" FHD 16:9 "Glare Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright LED Glossy Screen w/ 90% NTSC Color Gamut (1920x1080)
(Will add 4-7 business days to build time) (SKU - X1R507)
- NO Professional Monitor Color Calibration
- No Spare 3D Glasses
- Standard Dead Pixel Policy
- 2nd Generation Intel® Core™ i7-2670QM, 2.2-3.1GHz, (32nm, 6MB L3 cache) (SKU - S2N224)
- -Stock OEM Thermal Compound
- nVidia GeForce GTX 580M 2,048MB PCI-Express GDDR5 DX11 (User Upgradeable) (SKU - S3R505)
- No Video Adapter
- 8GB - DDR3 1600MHz Dual Channel Memory (2 SODIMMS) (SKU - S4R371)
- Sager Branding
- Standard Finish
- 500GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache) - Default (SKU - S5R207)
- None Standard
- HDD Raid Settings - OFF
- Combo Dual Layer SuperMulti DVDRW/CDRW Drive w/ Software (When selecting a Hard Drive in the Optical Bay, No Optical Drive is Included) (SKU - S7R455)
- No Extra Optical Bay Hard Drive Caddy
- No Back Up Hard Drive
- NO External USB Optical Drive
- No Floppy Drive
- Internal 7-in-1 Card Reader (MS/MS Pro/MS Duo/MS Pro Duo/SD/Mini-SD/MMC/RS)
- No Back Up Software
- None Standard--
- Built-in 802.11 Wireless B/G/N - Stock Wireless Card + Bluetooth (SKU - S8R110)
- No Network Accessory
- Built in 2.0 Megapixel Camera
- No TV Tuner
- Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio - Included
- Basic Black Business Case - Included
- Smart Li-ion Battery (8-Cell)
- No Car Adapter
- No Spare AC Adapter
- No Dock/Hub/Adapter
- Integrated Fingerprint Reader
- No Headset
- No External Keyboard or Mouse
- No Notebook Cooler
- No Thanks, Please do not Overclock my system (Overclocking will add 3-6 business days to build time)
- No Operating System Redline Boost
- ~Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit Installed (64&32-Bit CD Included) w/ Drivers & Utilities CD's + Microsoft Office Starter 2010 - Included with OS Purchase
- No Office Software
- No Software Bundle
- LIFETIME Ltd Labor* 1 Year Parts Warranty Lifetime -24/7 DOMESTIC Based- Toll Free Telephone Tech Support (Labor Warranty through Xotic PC)
Includes FREE Shipping Both Ways for Warranty Repairs (SKU - X9R009)
- No Outside of US Shipping Coverage
- Standard Production Time
- No Xotic PC Gear
nVidia GeForce GTX 580M 2,048MB PCI-Express GDDR5 DX11 (User Upgradeable) (SKU - S3R505) ( + 475 )

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Memory 8GB Dual Channel DDR3 at 1600MHz (4DIMMS)
A/C Adapter Alienware M17x 240W A/C Adapter
Display Panel 17.3-inch WideFHD 1920 x 1080 60Hz WLED
Video Card 2GB GDDR5 NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 580M
Hard Drive 500GB 7200RPM SATA 3Gb/s
AlienFX Quasar Blue
Adobe Reader Acrobat SW Adobe Acrobat Reader
Optical Drives 8X Slot-Load Dual Layer DVD Burner (DVD+-RW, CD-RW)
Sound Internal High-Definition 5.1 Surround Sound Audio
Wireless Intel Centrino Wireless-N 1000
Security Software No Anti-Virus Software Selected
Service 1 Year Basic Plan
Pre-Installed Software Steam and Portal™ Factory Installed
Standard Nameplate Trigger Standard Nameplate
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Now I really tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, but I see I was clearly mistaken!
This was taken from your same links. Quit trying to configure your budget laptop with a far lessor screen and think your winning. Your not!


This thread is the gtx580m weird pricing, discuss thread.

Not the I want to attempt to prove my budget laptop is better than yours contest.
And now your case is closed.

 

I would choose Alienware for $220 premium, plus I am positive I can find some coupon somewhere to get the premium off. Now who is going to be a good boy and do the same comparison with 8180 and 18x ? . You have to agree 18x looks really cool!

 

Sager NP8180 / Clevo P180HM
- FREE!! Continental (U.S. Lower 48 - UPS Ground Only) Ground Shipping on ALL Sager Laptops - Until 01/01/2012
(Enter Coupon Code: "SAGERFREESHIP" during order process)
- SAGER Sale!!! - $100 OFF When you spend $1500* or more! (*excludes non-sager parts, accessories, shipping, & taxes)
Confirmation of discount will be provided after Order Processing.
- FREE Digital Copy of Battlefield 3 w/ Any Intel 120GB SSD or Higher Hard Drive Upgrade + Sager Price Protection
+ Automatically Qualified to Win an Xbox 360!!!
- 18.4” FHD 16:9 LED Backlit Wide screen (1920x1080) Super Clear Glare Type Screen (SKU - S1R602)
- NO Professional Monitor Color Calibration
- 2nd Generation Intel® Core™ i7-2670QM, 2.2-3.1GHz, (32nm, 6MB L3 cache) (SKU - S2N224)
- -Stock OEM Thermal Compound
- ATI Radeon DUAL (2) HD6990M's (4096MB Total) GDDR5 DX11 - w/ 300W AC Adapter (SKU - S3R155)
- No Video Adapter
- 8GB - DDR3 1600MHz Dual Channel Memory (2 SODIMMS) (SKU - S4R370)
- Sager Branding
- Standard Finish
- 500GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache) - Default (SKU - S5R207)
- None Standard
- None Standard
- HDD Raid Settings - OFF
- Combo Dual Layer SuperMulti DVDRW/CDRW Drive w/ Software (When selecting a Hard Drive in the Optical Bay, No Optical Drive is Included) (SKU - S7R455)
- No Extra Optical Bay Hard Drive Caddy
- No Back Up Hard Drive
- NO External USB Optical Drive
- No Floppy Drive
- Internal 9-in-1 Card Reader (MMC/RSMMC/SD/Mini SD/SDHC/SDXC/MS/MS Pro/MS Duo)
- No Back Up Software
- Bluetooth Included (See “Wireless Network” Section Below)
- Built-in 802.11 Wireless B/G/N - Stock Wireless Card + Bluetooth (SKU - S8R110)
- No Network Accessory
- Built in 2.0 Megapixel Camera
- No TV Tuner
- Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio - Included
- Basic Black Business Case - Included
- Smart Li-ion Battery (8-Cell)
- No Car Adapter
- No Spare AC Adapter
- No Dock/Hub/Adapter
- Integrated Fingerprint Reader
- No Headset
- No External Keyboard or Mouse
- No Notebook Cooler
- No Thanks, Please do not Overclock my system (Overclocking will add 3-6 business days to build time)
- No Operating System Redline Boost
- ~Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit Installed (64&32-Bit CD Included) w/ Drivers & Utilities CD's + Microsoft Office Starter 2010 - Included with OS Purchase
- No Office Software
- No Software Bundle
- LIFETIME Ltd Labor* 1 Year Parts Warranty Lifetime -24/7 DOMESTIC Based- Toll Free Telephone Tech Support (Labor Warranty through Xotic PC)
Includes FREE Shipping Both Ways for Warranty Repairs (SKU - X9R009)
- No Outside of US Shipping Coverage
- Standard Production Time
- No Xotic PC Gear
$2,054.00

Sub-Total: $2,054.00


Description
Alienware M18x
Date & Time: December 13, 2011 9:31 PM CST


SYSTEM COMPONENTS

Alienware M18x Qty 1
Space Black Anodized Aluminum, Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit Unit Price $2,749.00
12 mo special financing on new computer purchases $899 or more with Dell Preferred Account!
Limited Time Offer!


Catalog Number: 29 DKCWKR1
Module Description Show Details
System Color Space Black Anodized Aluminum
Operating System Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit
Processor Intel® Core™ i7 2670QM 2.2GHz (3.1GHz w/Turbo Boost, 6MB Cache)
Memory 8GB Dual Channel DDR3 at 1600MHz (4DIMMS)
A/C Adapter Alienware M18x 330W A/C Adapter
Display Panel 18.4-inch WideFHD 1920 x 1080 WLED
Video Card Dual 2GB GDDR5 AMD Radeon HD 6990M AMD CrossFireX
Hard Drive 500GB 7200RPM SATA 3Gb/s
AlienFX Quasar Blue
Adobe Reader Acrobat SW Adobe Acrobat X Reader
Optical Drive Slot-Load Dual Layer DVD Burner (DVD+-RW, CD-RW)
Sound Internal High-Definition 5.1 Surround Sound Audio
Wireless and Bluetooth Intel® Advanced-N 6200 a/g/n 2x2 MIMO Technology and Bluetooth 3.0
Security Software No Anti-Virus Software Selected
Hardware Support Services 1 Year Basic Plan
Pre-Installed Software Steam and Portal™ Factory Installed
Standard Nameplate Trigger Standard Nameplate
TOTAL: $2,749.00


Now that is a real price difference.
AW took a serious beat down there. And whats even funnier is..i bought this same setup back in August for $2350.00 (2630QM)

Well hell...I would have got that over the P170HM.
Side Note:
No option for 580M either.

 

Back to gtx580m...

The pricing is the main reason why I never even bothered with P150HM. If it does lower, then bleh!

 

how much for you to upgrade now?

 

After market GTX 580M + heatsink is $800, plus he'd need to buy a 180W PSU.

Looking at that price you might as well roll the dice in waiting for the next-gen GPUs. That's half of a brand-new notebook.

 

You might as well just wait a few months.. I think the 580m's predecessor will arrive around March - which will drop the 580m's everywhere to current prices on the 6990 most likely. Save some extra dough that way OR make the same investment for the 29mm speedier, cooler(temperature) version.

Also, the XoticPC 8180 offers an extra $50 off for NBR discount.. You can get the 18x from PBR(who offers same discount) but their prices are like 100 - 150$ higher on AW than over at Dell's website.

 

I concur. I would wait. And looking at those prices... A 9800m GT is STILL off the hook in pricing. And that card is over 3 years old.
Or
Pay a 1000 bucks for a *cough* 7950 *cough* gtx

 

let me give you a lil heads up, as soon as gtx680M arrives, nvidia will pull out all the 580m so that they can sell the 680m at a premium, they have been doing this BS for a long time. if they had gtx485m at 6990m price, everyone will buy that instead of amd, including me, malibal did have it for sometime to be fair, it was still $100 more than 6990m.

boukyaku, there is no reason for you to buy the p150hm if you are going to stick with gtx560m!

 

I would have to agree.....but...
This is the first time in mobile gpu history that nvidia dropped it's prices to beat out amd. So maybe (we can hope and pray) this might be a trend....speculation of course.

 

I hope I am wrong too! I will be upgrading again Nov 2012 , I want to have GTX680M, ivy,1600mhz ram, 750gb xt and windows 8! my new laptop I just got arrives tom! excited!

 

Well congrats on the new edition!

 

thanks my friend! whats your new sig?

 

As jmiller0809 plainly put it...
An over priced Alienware M18x.

 

lol, apparently thats too short for the forum, so I had to type all this !

 

lol.............


^^^ That would have worked.
Im an over clocker more than a gamer. And i use it to fix servers computers & and other drives out in the field. That's why i chose this.
The x7200 just wont cut it on battery. 5 hours with light use is pretty hard to beat as well.


How well does the p170hm do? And does it have optimus?

 

ofcourse not , though the refresh(Q2 2012) will support optimus. right now the battery life is around 2 hours i think. I am not too worried about it, I use my laptops as a desktop replacement about 80% of the time

 

Same here.

So, have any of the other clevo/sager venders slashed 580m prices yet?