is M860TU compatible with 5-5-5-15 Sodimm modules?

Hello,

Actually, it's for the Hyperx Kingston Memory Modules (2x2GB-1066MHz). It comes with default 5-5-5-15 latency timings. But i wonder if the BIOS of the M860TU can get benefit of that or it (the BIOS) will stick with 7-7-7-20 timings limits? because in this case, it's worthless to buy the expensive Hyperx as it will function as a Valueram. Note that i'm not talking about any overclocking.

 

yes you can use memory 1066Mhz with all timings that you find the bios dont read the timings only memory Mhz clock

 

any benchmark review between this RAM and the CL7 RAM?

 

Thank you for your reply.

OK, i can use it, but will it behave like an 5-5-5-15? or the BIOS will force its own timings (since the BIOS don't read the module timings as you said)?

The purpose of my question is to know if it's meaningful to buy the Hyperx(5-5-5-15) instead of an 7-7-7-20 module (knowing that i'll NOT overclock FSB or any other thing so i don't need a 5-5-5-15 only to convert it to 7-7-7-20 and overlock the RAM frequency)

 

No don't bother to buy it. I already bought that RAM from newegg.com and tested. The result is the same as the current one (7-7-7-20), unless you find away to change it. Btw, I already used MemSet with no luck to change SPD with that RAM. If you know a way to manually change it in the BIOS, then you should get it. I don't so I returned mine.

 

what's your Vista rating for the Memory? 5.4?

Well, the reason I ask is because before updating my BIOS, I have a 5.4 vista rating for my memory. Then after updated with the newest bios, I now have 5.9 with my memory.

 

The HyperX kit you bought was the Intel XMP version. That requires an XMP ready BIOS, which no laptop that I know of has yet, to change the standard JEDEC timings to the lower timings, while the regular HyperX kit will already have the lower timings regardless of BIOS.

 

Do you uses this HyperX SO-DIMM?
If you do, please make a benchmark review, I want to see the difference between the CL5 and CL7.

 

Yes xor01. In my machine I have the HyperX kit modded with additional aluminium blocks. I will replace the aluminium blocks with copper ones when they arrive next week. However, I am not planning to benchmark the memory and write an analysis anytime soon, sorry. I may consider doing so when I begin my extensive M570TU review in June.

 

pkhetan you can use the memory with no problems the bios will not push the timings the memory timings are controled from memory firmware the differents between yours and this memory chips are that these with timings 5-5-5-15 are faster nothing else thats it

 

Ok, no problem. How about a mini-review? LOL

Anyway, AFAIK, Kingston HyperX ULL SO-DIMM series has never been reviewed. This goes for the DDR2 800MHz 4-4-4-12 and DDR3 1066MHz 5-5-5-15.

While I think the DDR2-800 is not worthy to be reviewed since the price is not reasonable ($218 for 2x2GB) with only small CL upgrade (CL4 vs CL5 from other vendors), this DD3-1066 have a more reasonable price ($124 for 2x2GB) with reasonable CL upgrade (CL5 vs CL7 from other vendors).

Hope you will review the RAM in June.

 

If you have a 4GB DDR3 kit I can borrow, then yes, I would gladly do a mini-review. All my buddies' laptops use DDR2, so I can't ask them. And most of the people at my university are devout Macbook users who are terrified to even let me borrow their USB stick more or less let me borrow their DDR3 sticks for testing purposes after what they have seen me do to the insides of my Clevo.

 

LOL, I can imagine your friends look

Anyway, my current laptop also use DDR2, so I don't think I can help you either

 

i've got the hyperX, and the old ones too, but in 2 GB

so what programs should I use to do the benchmark ?

 

Just use SiSoft Sandra or Everest Memory benchmark. Or even PCMark Vantage. Benchmark the CL5 RAM 3 times to get average score. And switch to the CL7 RAM and do the same.

I'm not "into" benchmarks actually, so I don't know the best bechmark program to test memory. I just want to know how much points DDR3-1066 CL5 will make compared to DDR3-1066 CL7.

 

finally finished those tests :SLEEP: pcmark vantage alone takes an hour and a half to finish!!
I'm not a professional so there could (is ) something wrong in the way i did the tests

NOTE: because the PCMark tests took that long I did them only once each

PCMark Vantage score with the 7-7-7-20 ram is 5101
and the score with the 5-5-5-15 ram is 5216

next is the Everest memory benchmark


those are the best results for the different rams , the hyperX got a lower read speed once but with latency 75ns

lastly SiSoftware Sandra (best results again)
7-7-7-20 ram bandwidth test
7-7-7-20 ram latency test

5-5-5-15 ram bandwidth test
5-5-5-15 ram latency test


So, is it worth it? what do you think?

 

That is some pretty crazy OC you managed to pull, almost 14000k on a single 280M GTX. But what is your stable OC ?

Does look like the CL5 is not worth it, but if you have money to burn, why not.

 

GTAIV is stable @680-1000-1700 sometimes(depends on the room temp) and @660-1000-1650 rock stable all the time


forget to mention that Everest readings of the FSB are WRONG so it's still 2.9 from the bios

 

Hey Soviet, where can you get this HyperX kit you're talking about?

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104103

That was the HyperX kit I bought. It says it supported JEDEC and XMP. I don't know. It didn't do it for me.

 

I bought my kit directly from Kingston. I had a 30% off coupon lying around in my inbox so I decided to pick up the HyperX kit along with some other things for myself and a few other people that wanted to bulk order with me.

The problem with the XMP ready kit is that the firmware on the memory is set up to boot with the standard JEDEC timings of 7-7-7-20. You would need to enter the system BIOS and change the timings to the overclocked profile of 5-5-5-15. If your laptop's BIOS does not support XMP, then there is no way to overclock to 5-5-5-15 because the firmware on the memory is hard coded to boot at JEDEC, unless you flash an XMP ready BIOS onto your laptop, in which no laptop on the market currently has right now.

The regular HyperX kit that I bought from Kingston's online store is already set to 5-5-5-15, so all you have to do is install it and go. It's as simple as that.

I do not know why Kingston made an XMP version of an already overclocked memory kit. It's a stupid move on Kingston's part and unfortunately you, Win3k, are one of the few customers that fell victim to Kingston's advertising scheme.

 

I've +rep you. Thanks for the benchmark results.
Small gain though... not worthed since the price is 2x the CL7 one.

Can you give me a screenshot of the RAM info in Everest? The SPD page that have info of the available timing, manufacture, etc. Please?

And screenshot of CPU-Z memory page and SPD page... for comparison.

 

Thanks for the clarification. Ahhh...freaking A make me lost $15 for restocking fee. Oh well, I'm gonna check out the Kingston's webpage and see.

 

Hey Soviet, the one you bought on Kingston's website is DDR2 ? I don't see it there. What laptop you have?

 

Win3k. This is the PM I sent to you yesterday.

It's not hard to click on the link and read the product description.

 

For some reason, it's not listed in www.kingston.com. But it's there in shop.kingston.com

Got it now. Thanks.

 

uh soviet

that's My PM!

 

Oh f*ck. You are indeed right, ganzonomy. Sorry about that. Lesson learned: don't browse NBR prior to an engineering final early in the morning.

 

It's ok Soviet sunrise. NO harm no foul. Thanks for the link you sent me, and I'm sure a lot of other users will find the links useful. I ordered a non-XMP set, and Kingston gave me no end of grief over it. THe CSR i spoke to said that the BIOS wouldn't even recognize the HyperX set IF the computer did start up.... which is giving me some 2nd thoughts about the order. Do you have like a MemTest application that shows the individual timings just so I know I didn't make a big mistake? (Also, how do the 5-5-5-15s fit if they have heat spreaders?)

A pic showing the individual timings with the CAS 5 RAM would be sweet!

Jason

 

Kingston is pulling your leg. The HyperX kit is the same as any other DDR3 1066 kit and will boot the same as well. Don't worry about it.

A lot of people are exaggerating the size of the HyperX's heatspreaders. They barely add any thickness to the modules. They will be able to fit in stacked sockets just fine. My kit fits like a glove with a tiny bit of leeway left too.

 

so a) they'll fit fine
b) they will test universally at 5-5-5-15
c) i have nothing to worry about and it'd make a nice little upgrade for RAM

 

What machine do you plan on putting the kit into?

 

a sager np8662

 

here are the readings from CPU-Z and Everest

CPU-Z Memory
CPU-Z SPD

Everest SPD

 

Thanks

Hmmm, I think this RAM able to run at 1333MHz with CL6 timing. Other vendor like OCZ and Mushkin DDR3-1333 only run with CL9 timing.

 

Ok, I'm at my secont batch of hyperx and they still fail mem test and they're too hot to touch for more than a couple of seconds after the test...

I don't know what the odds are to get 2 broken modules one after the other but i'm going to get some CL7 ram and spare me the trouble.

 

The answer for this thread is: KINDA'

The memory overheats on 5-5-5-15 and the obvious solution is to increase the timings.
More about that, here:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5251763&postcount=18

 

Hello mates,
I have posted this already here http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=425226&page=15 but without any solution given yet. In this thread if someone could know something more please let me know...thank you.

I initially bought 8GB RAM 1066Mhz with XMP technology from intel so I could play with the latency timings. Which is impossible due to the fact that in order to do it the Bios must support and show the RAM parameters.Dell locks these things to avoid tech problems and ensure warranty, thus the memory remains at the standard 7-7-7-20 latency. (well, it is actually the same logic with the issue the processor QX9300 has with the XTU utility from Intel, cannot overclock it with current Dell BIOS.)
So I brought them back and received those that have lower latency by 'default' (5-5-5-15).And here is the problem: If I put all four banks 2x4GB the M6400 will not boot at all, starts and before go to Bios screen turns off, with CapsLock/NumLock and ScrollLock indicators blinking! If Iput 2 banks 2x2GB, the system freezes to windows logo (I use Win XP Pro).And the irony: If I use the older memory (which is 7-7-7-20) or at least 1 of the older and all the rest of the system works fine!

This is insane.

No kidding...that the M6400 does not support 5-5-5-15 latency! Nowhere is written. The pins are the same, the volts are the same, the A+C, B+D slot peculiarity is correctly set...any suggestions?

 

the problem lies in the XMP technology to a good extent. Dell's don't support it, and that little mod in the chip's programming is what causes the computer to shut down. Dell fears that using high-performing memory will lead to lots of dead laptops (the number of dead m1710s from tweaking is almost comical). I would just go and exchange through kingston for non-XMP memory and go from there.

Jason

 

Good News :

if you upgrade your BIOS to v.17 then you will not encounter memtest86+ problem with the 5-5-5-15 timing any more. I tested it with one module for one overnight, and there was no problem.

But I myself have a problem, the other module, after editing it to 6-6-6-20 timing by Thaiphoon, i can't re-edit it any more, seems to be converted to read-only module suddenly

 

And not so good news:

I managed to rewrite the 5-5-5-15 timings but I get bluescreens in GTA4 so I had to turn back to 6-6-6-20.
Sorry

 

You can try 6-6-6-16.