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    list of parts needed to upgrade p870dm to p870dm2/3

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by tanzmeister, Sep 16, 2017.

  1. tanzmeister

    tanzmeister Notebook Evangelist

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    allright, so it was done, here is the list of parts needed:

    3x 6-31-P75D3-202 12V 8219 FAN MODULE ADDA P750DM2

    6-39-P8733-012 BOTTOM CASE MODULE P870DM3

    6-42-P8733-204 MIDDLE FRAME MODULE P870DM3

    6-43-P8730-010-2 FFC CABLE FOR MB TO AUDIO BOARD 16PIN(0.5MM PITCH) L:38MM 60V P870DM3

    6-77-P870DM20-D03A-1 MAIN BOARD MODULE V2.0 (EDP)(W/TPM) P870DM2

    6-77-P8728-D02A AUDIO BOARD MODULE V2.0A P870DM2

    6-39-p8732-012-N (PRE-PROCESS) TOP CASE MODULE FOR TP P870DM2

    and off course VGA card with appropriate heatsink

    it could be possible to use the top case from p870dm/dm1 and drill another hole for extra USB3.0 and coop with USB3.1 port fitting the USB3.0 hole.

    middle frame is also possible to mod, but I don't really think it's worth it, mostly because fans have different screw holes.

    the bottom case must be replaced due to been bigger than the DM/DM1 one.
     
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    sicily428 Donuts!! :)

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    Really?!
    :eek:
     
  3. Dr. AMK

    Dr. AMK Living with Hope

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    Nice, what is the average cost for all of that?, your efforts really appreciated
     
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    Better buy a new DM/KM imo
     
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  5. tanzmeister

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    depends really. I got it much cheaper than the following due to my sourcing, but market price is close to:

    MB is around 300-330 USD range

    3x fans are 30USD worth, each for 10$

    bottom case is 90USD

    mid frame is 45USD

    audio board is around 55USD

    top case is 75 USD, but as I have said - old one can be modded to fit

    cable are couple of dollars worth

    1080 you can get for 800USD with T-heatsink all together.

    that makes it 1395USD upgrade,

    but consider that you can still sell your old parts: GPU, MB, heatsink, fans, top case, bottom case, audio board,

    for ex. 980m will easily sell 400-500USD on ebay, MB at 250-300.
     
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    Wow. $1400 is very reasonable. Much cheaper than a new machine, and the old parts should be easy to sell, which would make it even more affordable after the parts are sold. Sourcing used Clevo parts is never easy. They would likely sell within 24 to 48 hours on eBay.
     
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    Impressive work. +rep :vbthumbsup:
     
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  8. bennyg

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    Indeed! +rep from me as well
     
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    It seems to be more affordable, and definitely more fun, to build your own if you already own a DM-G.
     
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    Nice! I'm assuming DM3 > KM1 is just a motherboard swap?
     
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    Top cover/palm rest is different, power button cable is different, and I think there is something else, too. I cannot remember what the third change was. You could cut the area under the keyboard instead of replacing the DM3 palm rest with a KM1 palm rest.

    As far as I know, the Z270 chipset offers nothing except for Optane (which I personally view as being an irrelevant technology gimmick) and you would get one extra M.2 slot. Not a very compelling reason to spend money if you have a DM3.
     
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    The only worthy upgrade from DM3 is probably going to be KM2 or w/e the next coffee lake clevo platform comes out. Finally 6-core cpus even though we already had them in P570WM. :rolleyes:
     
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    Im just highly skeptical of Clevo's tendency to not botch up the cooling. At least back then their QC was much better than it is right now.
     
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    Oh, I don't think so. I think the P570WM cooling was horrible. Poor design and the original heat sink fit worse than any P870 heat sink I have had. You could slide a post-it note out from under the CPU heat sink when it was attached. The replacement heat sink I purchased wasn't much better. I had to use a 1.0mm shim to plug the gap. The radiators were also too small. They tried to cover too many things as well. The PCH and tons of MOSFETs and VRMs were cooled by pieces coming off the CPU heat sink. Those should have been separate. The GPU heat sinks and radiators were too small as well. They struggled with 980M cooling. Likewise, the chassis was not as well built as the P870.

    And, the P370 also had really pathetic QC, especially in terms of thermal management. @D2 Ultima was never able to overclock his CPU due to the piss-poor cooling system. I was seriously thinking about buying a P370 barebones prior to buying the P570WM and Eurocom, knowing my fetish for overclocking, strongly discouraged it and said it would not be capable of meeting my expectations.
     
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    Damn didnt realize it was that bad. My friend had a Sager one and it ran as cool as a cucumber with a Xeon 6 Core under there. I guess he just got lucky!
     
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    My 10-core Xeon never exceeded like 63C I believe. But when I sold the system to @Mr. Fox he used a 4960X and that's when the imperfections were noticeable.

    I think with workstation/server class CPUs the P570WM did a fantastic job. Clevo's heatsink issue has been relevant for a long time though and they need to fix it.

    Along with metal chassis, better keyboard, HDMI IN, real HEDT CPUs not mainstream. Then I'll build my next Clevo again. Until then I used up the $$$ from my P870DM3 for school and will wait here for that to be fulfilled or go back to desktops lol.

    Do you think there might be a slight height difference between Xeons on the i7s?
     
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    Maybe so. Was he overclocking it to 4.7GHz like I did the 4960X? I ran the 4930K at 4.5GHz all the time before the 4960X.

    It was still a super wicked monster beast and I put it on AC cooling frequently. I think the reason the Xeon ran so much cooler might have had to do with clock speed. Wasn't it maxed out like 3.5GHz or something like that? There could be a difference in height for the Xeon versus i7. I'm not sure though. I've never owned a Xeon before.
     
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    Dont think so, hes one of those scared of overclocking types :S
     
  19. tanzmeister

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    nope.

    you have to change top case, power cable,

    also cpu and LCD if you want Gsync to be working

    power board and LED boards are different by part number, but are identically looking.
     
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    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    Yes, if you ever have to (warranty) exchange it you can swap the KM1 board right into the DM3, just also needs a 50cent L-shape power ribbon and nothing else.

    No need for a KM1 top-case if you don't plan on using the 3rd M.2 slot as the KM1 board also has the old DM3 screw whole in its place.
    The LED board was just a conformity standard upgrade for proper internal pin layout and doesn't change anything electrical on the mobo connector side, so isn't required either.
    Screen can also stay the same and as long as you have a KBL CPU, you will keep g-sync.
     
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    Take the speed and voltage down and the chips do become a lot more efficient.
     
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    so the SPF3 LCD is compatible with KM1 in terms of Gsync? good news!
     
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    And yooo think @Mr. Fox would do this? :vbbiggrin:
     
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    As long as the CPU is KBL the KM1 supports g-sync with all screens that had a g-sync license in the DM3 for KBL. If a screen had no g-sync license in DM3 it has no license in KM1. What is not supported in KM1 is g-sync with any SKL CPU.
     
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    does DM3 support the newer SPF4 LCD?
     
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    Officially Clevo only lists LP173WF4-SPF1 & LP173WF4-SPF2 LG FHD screens in DM3.
     
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    My bad, the LCD in KM1 is indeed SPF2, not SPF4
     
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    Never. :vbbiggrin:

    If I had to do that I would lose any and all interest in owning the product regardless of how powerful it might be stock. It would become a worthless piece of trash to me. Running a CPU stock, or with only a minor overclock, is about as exciting to me as watching paint dry. I never run my CPUs at stock clock speeds. They are overclocked 24/7. Even though I only overclock my GPU(s) when benching, a GPU that won't handle much higher clock speeds is also worthless to me.
     
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    If it meant getting higher benchmark scores with more cores, I could see it ;)
     
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    Thanks for information
     
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    Know where I can get a middle frame I'm trying to calculate the costs myself
     
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    Where are you at?
     
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