m17x vs 9262

The 17x is finally out and yeah, it uses the core 2 mobile processors (the ones in the 5793) with a 800 mhz FSB and its got 667 RAM (up to 4 GB). In fact, minus the dual HDs and dual GPUs it seems a lot like a 5793 and actually offers the exact same CPU line-up...

I set one up identical to my 5793 (minus the dual 8800's because you got 3 choices: dual 8600, 8700, 8800) and it rings up at $4473... OUCH! The one redeeming factor for this laptop is the nice I/O lineup, oh yeah its damn near as big as a 9262.

 

What a waste.... Sager owns the performance laptop range right now! The world might as well admit it! The ideal balanced laptop with single 8800M GTX is the not-too-heavy 5793.... and THE most powerful is the 9262 with quad and 3 hard disks, yet cheaper than AW m17x.... AW is currently only good for its 8800M GTX 15" m15x, and that's soon about to change as well....

 

Here, I've done the comparison on the Alienware forums. People over there don't seem to care, but I'll repost it here:

 

That's quite obvious... the AW fanbois would never look at things rationally.... cus they want an AW... The whole idea behind Clevo however, is BEING rational... good computers for great prices!

 

i think the blackhawk laptop owns the laptop gaming world
http://www.pcmicroworks.com/blackhawk.htm

but its very expensive compared to the sager
not sure bout the aleinware

 

^^ Isn't that the Clevo D900C ?

 

You're kidding right? That "Blackhawk" is just the Clevo D901C aka Sager 9262.

Same computer + $1000 for the artificial name = screwed customer.

 

The Blackhawk's LCD options are sweet though, but the whole package is too expensive.

 

I honestly distrust alienware and always have, they were always the stereotypical mega over priced boutique store with not only poor customer support but poor product quality as well, just look at all of the issues the m15x is having. The custom case design is also a huge problem for a lot of buyers, professional/business/college people would obviously feel immature carrying around something like that, though for home gaming usage its fine. However it was the same reason that Apple got rid of the candy colored ibooks/imacs I believe.

 

After having seen the m17x's set-up, there is NO comparison. I will happily put my 9262, which is pretty much maxed out, simply blows away what the m17x in every way, including price. I made the right choice and i once again rejoice!!!

pat!!!

 

i actually really like the newer style alienware case not the vented style one but the flat one with the subtle line in the middle sorta.. forget what its called. but yeah aw is overpriced just like falcon or voodoo is also though no offense to anyone.. even if i had all the money i could ever want i would not spend more to get the same exact system..

the aw 15x though is very sweet but once the newer clevo comes out that imo will be the winner there as well

 

its called the ripley design and I like it too. it looks pretty sexy in black but i'd way rather get a sager which looks good in different ways and its so much cheaper. Wow and when the m15x came out i even considered it.... I'll wait for my m860TU thank you very much.

 

def agree with you guys on alienware and their overpriced systems. It would have been justified if their m17x had the new montevina chipset for such a high price. I think alienware released their system a little too late to compete with the 9262 or the 1730, if they released it back in december it would have been a lot better. But releasing something that has been out for MONTH'S now for such a premium price is absurd...

 

Btw the m17x is freaking HUGE!

 

Damn right, Pat !!

 

Ahhhhh... Nice.

 

At least with FNW and Voodoo you get superior customer service whereas AW is just overpriced and thats it.

 

To be fair, FNW and Voodoo are a lot more overpriced. They charge at least $4k for a Sager 2090 which retails for $1.3k.

 

You definitely get more bang for your buck with a Sager, but some people want the flashy looks and image that an Alienware computer offers. While the m17x is expensive, it does have some nice features like the backlit keyboard and AlienFX system lighting. You can also get it in several different colors and as noted, it has a lot of IO ports.

 

Such a premium for flashy lights ?? Jeez... I'll really try to put my mind to work on a Alienware parody video.....

 

Its really all subjective. People buy these things for different reasons. Price is irrelevant if you get what you want and enjoy it. Just because you think its overpriced for your taste doesn't mean its overpriced for someone else.

I own both an Alienware and a Sager. The Sager is used at work and in meetings because it looks less flashy. I also use it to game with some coworkers on the company DS3. I use the Alienware at home and at the occasional lan. They are both superb notebooks and I have recieved excellent customer service from both companies. They are both worth every penny as far as I am concerned.

In the end all that matters is if the individual has the perception that they are getting what they paid for.

 

Overpriced is very finicky to explain.

A unique item is never overpriced. For example, if I went into the Unicorn selling business, I have the power to price the Unicorns at any value I wanted to, whether it be $10 or $1000000, the people who think that it's worth it will buy it, the people who don't think it's worth it won't. End of story.

However, if Bob comes along and starts a competing Unicorn business, and he undercuts my prices by 20%, then "overpriced" starts to come into effect. Compared to the market value, my Unicorns now are in-fact, overpriced. However, that doesn't mean that people will stop buying my Unicorns - maybe they're faster or have shinier horns. Who knows.

Now you go to a well established market, say, I start selling pencils. If I priced my pencils at $100 a piece, there'd be no doubt that everyone would consider them overpriced. Since cheaper pencils are a perfect substitute for my expensive ones, it's guaranteed that I won't have any business whatsoever.

 

Just got some info of the new AW NB with Montevina platform. X9100 ES + 9800MGTX SLI. X91 can be oced to 3.6G..

 

Close, but not entirely complete - you left out the carrying costs you'd have to bear even if you were the only seller of unicorns in the entire Universe. At some point, the net present value of the probability-weighted income you expect to earn from the sale of a unicorn will drop below the net present value of the known carrying costs of keeping that unicorn in stock, at which point you will drop your asking price since that is the primary driver of the probability that you will in fact make a sale, as well as of the expected time horizon within which that sale is expected to occur (i.e., the higher the price, the less likely is a sale, and the greater the amount of time expected to pass before that sale occurs - of course, your ultimate evaluation of those figures will also depend on your appetite for risk).

For example, assuming that global GDP is currently $4 Trillion (it's just an assumption, I don't really know what it is), setting your price at $4,000,000,000,001 would clearly be pointless because there isn't enough realizable wealth around for anyone, let alone the entire world population acting as one "buyer," to buy a unicorn at that price. No one would buy at that price and, hence, you would not (rationally) set such a price.

 

Wow, somebody read way too far into my sale of Unicorns.

Thank you. I'll be sure to not set my Unicorn prices at four trillion and one.

 

Well I can't comment on Unicorns

However I will say that during my 'investigation phase' of buying a new lappie i was desperate to get hold of a 17x. I've always wanted an alienware.
The further I looked into it though and read up on various sites the more uncomfortable I began to feel about alienware ownership.
Yes overall they are great peices of kit but there are a tad pricey and the number of horror stories of people dealing with their customer service (especially in uk/europe) when things go pear shaped is truly worrying.
Plus us lot on this side of the pond will probably have to wait another 2 months until it is actually on the uk website then another ridiculously long wait after the order is placed (m15x seem to be taking AGES in europe apparently) and then there is the US/UK price difference which taking the m15x gaming spec on their website as and example is + £500.
I am more than happy with my Commanche (D901C) and am confident it will be able to keep up (at least) with th M17x, which to me looks a lot like a 1730 in a nice case. With it's paint job I think it looks as good too.
Frankley I'm a bit disappointed that alienware delayed for so long, then didn't deliver the 'earth shattering' system everyone was expecting.

Rant off

 

The backlight keyboard is a useful festure, even if the other lights are not.

 

When I use my notebook at night the screen illuminates the keys well enough, but really, I don't plan on typing a college term paper in the dark. Seriously?! Who types documents in the dark?! The only thing I do in the dark is play games and watch movies, but I know my keys by muscle memory anyways- if I didn't, I would never beat a game...

 

If you have to look at the keys to type you should have no need what so ever for a 3k+ laptop.

 

I'm just an idiot-savant! (ok, maybe more idiot than savant ).