monitor calibration without spider3?

Hey Clevo/sager owners!



I'm going 2 buy the B156HW01 V.4 but I read that you need to calibrate the screen in order to make the screen really shine. on this thread http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/553185-visual-differences-between-different-screen-options-photos.html mythlogic shows the differences between the screens. He also shows the calibration is there any way to calibrate my screen with the numbers he gave? because I find buying a spider3elite absurd for just calibrating the screen for one time


Thanks

 

i have that screen and I did not calibrate it. TBH for us who do not use the computers for professional use, there is no need to calibrate. The setup it has stock is perfectly fine. If I had another monitor that was calibrated and I saw side by side, yes I would know the difference. But if I don't and what I see so far on my monitor, it has been more than satisfactory.

 

interesting to know if all the re sellers calibrate it before shipping it out..

 

I think ONE maybe TWO of them do. I forgot which but one actually lists they do on order page.

The other issue is if you buy without OS they can't do it. Like me, I didn't order with OS so of course they couldn't do it for me.

We need to get a Spider3 rental thing going, haha someone buy one, and we all send it around for a few bucks to rent it and put deposit down so if not returned.

Most like me would love to use it once but have no care to use again so won't ever bother to buy one because I am cheap and poor after buying this darn laptop LOL

 

hahah yes but there is no way 2 use the calibration information from mythlogic?





@vNAK: no difference xD? you saw the skin of the female before and after, it looks like she had a day of sun in France without using suncream. I know you dont see it without comparison but it uses way 2 much red want my screen to give skin colour.

 

We are the only Clevo builder that is calibrating these high end monitors before we ship them out.

Also if you don't get an OS we STILL calibrate the monitor and send you the calibration file along with the other benchmarking results on a CD with your order. So that if you are using Win, Linux, OSX (IDK what you are talking about) You still always have the calibration.

Also please remember that while someone elses config might get you close, each monitor is different and has different calibration needs.


thanks

 

so are the calibration settings usually similar between different laptops? and is it possible for you to post the files, or just give us some guide lines.

 

We will also be offering this, starting sometime in the next two weeks.

 

They should calibrate them at the factory, at least mine, the colors were almost neon when I got it. I still haven't used my Spyder on it, but I will do that soon and see how well it does. Great bright screen with good contrast otherwise.

 

the calibration for my 95% gamut screen I just received 2 days ago is TERRIBLE! I'm about ready to order the Spyder Elite from Amazon. I've done some preliminary adjustments in nvidia to reduce the awful red glow (very apparent when windows boots--before nvidia settings take effect) until I get the calibration hardware. I almost decided to send this laptop back, due to the screen being so out of whack. It looks better after some quick adjustments, but I need it ACCURATE for skin tones, so I'm not happy yet, but hopefully the Spyder will make it accurate. if not, I just blew $1800 on this laptop

 

...free of charge, as Mythlogic does it? Or for a nominal fee? Regardless, glad to hear about more resellers offering this service.

If anyone wants to try, I have personally calibrated my desktop and ASUS laptop manually using this website: http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/ One problem with is you have to constantly switch back and forth from one test to the other, because getting one test done correctly may screw with a previous test. It's tedious, but the more time you put into it, the better your LCD looks, without needing the Spyder3!

 

hmmm.. shouldnt the calibration be included when buying the $95 gamut screen? wondering why some of the buyers are getting "uncalibrated" screens, is it that "unusable" at all?

 

Uncalibrated != Unusable. All it means is that the color settings may not be ideal. Unless you're doing color dependent print works, you may never even notice that you aren't calibrated. Calibration because just matches print output to screen output. (among other things).

 

Printers also need calibration for color-critical work. The starting point is the monitor, secondly one needs accurately rendered color in one's photo or video files, and finally, the printer(s) need calibration too, so that WYSIWYG. Reprinting over and over to get a decently balanced print is frustrating, expensive, and very time consuming.

 

hmmm.. ive been reading about the reddish and neon tint? are those basically the 'con' of the users getting the uncalibrated gamut screens?

 

this is the problem with buying something sight unseen. I hate buying something I can't look at prior to purchase, but I saw no other viable alternative if I want a decent spec'd laptop. Had I known the screen would be so prone to red, I wouldn't have bought it.

 

the thing is, the reddish/neonish thing shouldnt be normal on the gamut screens.. or is it..?

 

Hope this is available before mine ships!

 

I dunno. I called xoticpc tech support several days ago and was sent to voice mail. no one has yet returned my phone call. kinda sucks.

One thing about this screen is it's easily visible in daylight, including direct sun hitting the screen. very impressive. love the matte finish and will never go back to a glossy screen. I've now got two monitors with matte screens--a new 32" Vizio and this Sager.

 

@mythlogic could you pm me for a file from another screen? or is this information enough:


Raw White: 265 nit
Calibrated White: 214 Nit
Black: 0.547 Nit
Raw Contrast (Raw White / Black): 484:1
True Contrast (Calibrated White / Black): 291:1
Delta E Max (Max Was RGB Blue): 1.58
Average Delta E: 0.57



does this spyder3 mess with your brightness or contrast ratio (might be a dumb question but want the highest brightness because of outside use and nice blacks for movies)

 

The reason these high colour gamut screens don't look good, is because most of your software can't handle 95% gamut. It is only meant for professional or semi-professional photo or video software.

Of course, you can adjust or calibrate all screens to have more natural looking colours, to work in Windows, web sites and so on - but then the point of having a 95% gamut screen is gone. Because then it will not work properly with software that has support for it.

Really, you gamers or more casual users - stay away from high gamut screens, you don't know how to use it properly, or very rarely have use for it at all. It is meant for high quality photo an video use ... and those who need that, would stay away from TN panel laptop screens anyway.

So, read up what high colour gamut is all about, and what such screens does to your "normal" software, and then decide if you want it, or not. I bet most of you don't, after that.

 

I need a good screen for photo post-processing. One thing I noticed last night is that the yellow on my Sager is blown out, in comparison to my Vizio which has slightly more muted colors. All the other colors on the Sager are nicely represented, but for some reason, yellow highlights that are near the clipping limit have no detail in them on the sager. I tried all sorts of adjustments in the Nvidia color adjustment screen to resolve it, without success. I would have thought that all colors would be well represented on a wide gamut screen, even if I haven't yet calibrated with a Spyder. I'm not talking about saturated, normally exposed yellows, which show up fine--I'm talking about white/yellow highlights--they show up as just featureless expanses of white. The vizio shows great detail when viewing the same image.

I should have my Spyder 3 Elite by Thursday, along with an x-rite colorchecker passport

 

The point is; you can calibrate your screen to have absolutely perfect colours (more or less) in Photoshop or other software that has support for 95% gamut ... but then it will probably look very strange in Windows and most other software (browsers, for example, games ... you name it) - because they do not support high colour gamut screens.
Calibrate the screen to look good with normal software = it will not look right with professional photo editing software with high colour gamut support.
Calibrate the screen to look good in Photoshop using high gamut setting = it will not look good for most other things.
Calibrate the screen to compromise between the two = The point of having a high gamut screen is gone.
See?
Of course, you have the option to make yourself 2 profiles - one for photo editing, for use with software with support for high gamut, and one for "normal" use. That's the solution - just don't think you can calibrate a "one size fits all" setting. So that's why, folks - if you don't have access to professional calibrating sensors and software, skip these screens. They really do need to be calibrated properly, for 2 different uses.

 

ouch all this sorting out for nothing.

 

I already understand that. As long as I have accurate color for my photo apps, I'll be fine. I've already got it looking a zillion times better (in ALL apps) than without any adjustments. I can say that the Windows color calibration utility is useless for the issue with red I've had with this particular screen. I've been able to compensate on other monitors for slight color casts, using the windows utility. this beast is far more difficult to tame.

 

Will buy one from Malibal I think because selling my current (2 week old laptop with HD6970M, i7 2ghz turbo 2.9ghz and 8gb memory) will be just as expensive as buying a new screen and doing some upgrades such as an SSD.


I will be selling it in the last week of august so dont mind pming me now because I am on vacation

 

Most "normal" screens comes with colours that are too cold, with a blueish tint. The fact that these comes with over-saturated red or yellow, is a hint that they are, indeed, different

 

yes. the HD screen on the DV6 I got from HP had very accurate color temperature. too bad the graphics wouldn't switch properly to the Radeon, and that's why I returned it. currently there is still no fix for the SG, but HP has promised a fix (which presumably comes from AMD). i got tired of waiting...

 

There's another reason to get a high gamut screen, you know, that doesn't have anything to do with photo software. Namely, it's the only way to get a matte screen on an NP8150.

 

Will these spyder configs (or other calibration softwares) actually have any effect in a full screen game?

As pointed out, the config files have to be shipped on a CD if you opt for no OS.

Therefore, this "calibration" file sounds like a profile for some software package to use (spyder in this case), while in the windows (or other OS) environment only to me. (like the nVidia color manager, like asus splendid, etc.)

Let us know, thanks!

 

Really? Over here (Norway) you can get a "normal" matte screen for the P150, W150 and W155. Seems like a waste, if you're not interested in photo editing, as high colour gamut screens are more expensive, and trickier to adjust. And will not whatsoever give you better colours than a "normal" one, with most software. On the contrary, I would say, being that they are harder to adjust to your liking.

 

Depends. Some games, when run in full screen, will default to the standard Windows profile, not even your carefully adjusted colours with the Nvidia or AMD software will matter then. But some actually utilise the colour profile you have made yourself - Civ V is one, at least for me.

 

Yeah, none of the sites I've looked at offer a P150 with a stock matte screen, just an upgrade option for a 95% color gamut version. The P151 has one, but I'm not terribly interested in that model.

That's why I'm kind of worried by this topic, since no matte is kind of a deal-breaker for me on a laptop, but these high gamut screens sound like they're also fairly high maintenance.

 

So from this, you are saying that Spyder 3 or other advanced calibration software could also be ignored, right?

 

only game I care about is FSX (which is why I returned my DV6) and nvidia color controls affect FSX so that's cool.

 

do you need to turn of anything like the AMD colour management when you get the colour config files from malibal/mythlogic?

and if so how?


@mcjon01: yes it would be nice 2 have a cheaper matte display with great brightness and contrast ratio

 

The color profile file is just the set points for the R G B BL W space. Windows uses it for colors using the built in support. Some programs ignore it and some dont'. For example windows photo viewer in windowed mode -> ignores it, in full screen mode -> respects it. (Figure that one out).. IE -> ignores it, FFox, and Chrome -> respects it. DX Full screen -> respects it also. But you have to remember that you are calibrating the video card output on a laptop NOT the screen itself. (Although thats the end result). So you have to calibrate every output separately (HDMI, DVI, VGA etc) as they are different outputs and won't share the same calibration. Thats why we don't post the calibrations as they as we've found too specific to each card, some are more "warm" and some are more "cold" and some are pretty spot on.

It does mess with the contrast a little, but not the brightness although the calibration will change if you change the brightness (It gets calibrated at one brightness level), but it shouldn't affect anything too much.

 

How do you calibrate these screens? Using nvidia settings?

 

We use a Spyder3 and Color Eyes Display Pro.

 

Is it possible to get a copy of the profile?

 

It creates a profile for the OS to use as color reference points. The spyder 3 is a piece of hardware that measures and talks to the Color Eyes software to figure out how to adjust the color points to be correct. The nVIDIA / AMD control panels aren't involved.

 

Is it possible to get a copy of the profile?

 

as he said that isn't possible due 2 the different outputs and... he would also undermine his own business if he would do that.

 

Also; no two machines/configurations are the same. There can be differences in 2 screens of the same make and model. There can be differences between two graphic cards, even if they are exactly the same make and model. And so on. A calibration done on one system, will likely not be compatible with another system, even if everything looks to be exactly the same (on paper).

 

Guys a little help please!

i want to calibrate both a brand new Clevo P150HM and a brand new Sony KDL-HX920 (or 929 in US) and i'm thinking of buying a spyder3. but there are several versions available and it seems that some only calibrate PC monitors and not TV's... is this true? and if so what version should i get???

 

you are correct. the spyder 3 Elite (my suggestion for LCD) won't do TV. but it does gamma which the cheaper spyder won't do. not sure there is any model that does it all, as I didn't investigate that option. u can get a spyder for TV for just $85

 

I guess Spyder3 Elite does all...