np8662 P8800 vs P9700 60 fps diff??!?!

np8662 w 260m gtx, recent nvidia driver, P8800

I'm playing company of heroes, and i've noticed if I pan (alt+mouse) the camera the fps goes from 40-50 to 10-15ish <--- is that normal?

Spotted a benchmark on this forum, and to my suprise they had a much better fps then I did.

Core 2 Duo P8800 2667 MHz 3 MB (my setup)
Core 2 Duo P9700 2800 MHz 6 MB (their)

I mean a 3MB difference in cache will double my fps?! Also why is the P9700 so much more expensive, like 1-150$ on ebay.

My Company of heroes settings & Benchmark:

Resolution: 1280x800
Shader Quality: High
Model Quality: High
AA: None
Texture: Ultra
Shadows: Low
Reflections: Low
Post Processing: On
Building Detail: High
Physics: Medium
Tree Quality: Low
Terrain Detail: High
Effects Fidelity: High
Effects Density: High
Rain Detail: Low
Object Scarring: On
Model Detail: slider maxed

Average 60 fps
Maximum 60 fps
Minimum 7 fps




Benchmark from this forum (thanks guys)

I'd say that's a huge difference, their max is almost 100fps more. Example my maximum fps: 60 theirs 130fps!?!?!?


Edit, typos it's way past my bedtime!

 

I dunno a lot, but i think its true, CoH i think its a processor game, not a lot of VGA, correct me if im wrong.

 

I think it might be a driver issue as well.

A P8800 and P9700 should not be displaying such a drastic difference. COH is relatively CPU heavy, but not so much so.

 

There should be relatively no difference between the two. Definitely driver related.

 

Which driver is "recent Nvidia driver," greenfish?

 

I'm not saying this is the only problem with your setup but if Avg fps = 60 && max fps = 60; then you are running with vsync.

 

Thanks for all the replies guys. By the most recent one, i mean the 195.81 (laptopvideo2go). Also tried to use 186.1 but I found no difference at all, so I went back to the most recent one.

Yes it was vsync, (recent patch turns on vsync by default) by disabling it on my steam client I had a similar benchmark like the one's who were posted before!

But everytime I pan the camera my fps drops like crazy, from a stable 60-70 down to 5-12 fps :O

195.81 camera pan = very low fps
186.81 camera pan = very low fps

Thanks for clearing up the CPU buisness, no need for me to waste another 100$ then

 

This is just insane, if I put everything on low the game is STILL dropping fps like crazy if I pan the cameria. I just played a mp game with my brother, and 30 minutes in or so the game is almost unplayable at 20-25 fps stuttering with everything on high.

The game is almost 4 years old and my laptop is having hell just to run it properly. His desktop computer which isn't even built for gaming handles coh at 60 fps with a frigging ati hd 4670, and no 40 fps drop during heavy fights like my sager np8662 is.


Resolution: 1280x800
Shader Quality: LOW
Model Quality: LOW
AA: None
Texture: LOW
Shadows: Low
Reflections: Low
Post Processing: OFF
Building Detail: Low
Physics: Low
Tree Quality: Low
Terrain Detail: Low
Effects Fidelity: Low
Effects Density: Low
Rain Detail: Low
Object Scarring: OFF
Model Detail: slider OFF

Constant fps during the early stages = 60 FPS
Heavy combat 20-30fps
Pan the camera = 2-10 fps

The game looks like crap on everything on low :/ (no suprise)
Funny enough coh defaults to almost to ultra settings when i use the ingame benchmark.

 

Try running gpu-z & hwmonitor (while running CoH) to ensure that your GPU is not downclocking and that none of your hardware is overheating.

Make sure you enable background refreshing on GPU-Z's sensors tab.

 

When you play on a low resolution 1280x800, you are placing more load on your CPU. You should try that game at native resolution of 1680 X 1050 to let your GPU deal with the load.

 

If he's getting low framerates at that resolution, increasing the res is never going to improve matters. I agree that increasing res/graphical settings will have little effect in a CPU bound scenario, but it won't make it perform better.

 

Hi! Yeah I ran both applications as you suggested, and my core clock stayed at around 59-60C? Also i'm not sure how one detects a downclocked gpu, but if it's underclocked, I assume the frequency would decrease right?

Well according to GPUZ and rivatuners hwmonitor they remained constant, alt-tabbed when the game was on a heavy load or all options on LOW.

Core Clock: 594
Shader: 1458
Memory: 799
Core Temp: (no gaming, just surfing) 57C
Gaming: 57-60C

LaptopNut

Hi! That's pretty interesting, something I wasn't even aware of. Changing the resolution to 1680x1050 didn't change my as far as I know, still have the insane fps drop when you pan/scrol the camera or lots of units on screen.

Just to be on the safe side, are you guys playing COH on a similar/higher setting AND using the same setup as I do (besides the CPU) AND getting a much better/constant FPS?

Thank You

 

Never played CoH in my life. I can try restricting my cpu to 2.66GHz and see how it plays if you want - I have 6MB cache tho.

How are you measuring the fps & what version are you running (I think the latest is 1.40)?

 

I'm redownloading CoH through Steam right now. I'll run the benchmark at the settings you posted.

 

Hey thanks a lot bro Could you try a benchmark and a quick skirmish match, tilt/pan the camera and verify the fps?

I'm measuring fps by using fraps and of course my own deduction (eyes)

Since i'm running the steam version (up to date) i'm not too sure. But looking at the patch site: http://cohpatch.relic.com/ the most recent one is 2.01?

Kevin_Jack2.0

Thanks bro, could you also play a quick skirmish match, and pan the camera see if fps drops like crazy?

Code:

My Company of heroes settings & Benchmark:

Resolution: 1280x800
Shader Quality: High
Model Quality: High
AA: None
Texture: Ultra
Shadows: Low
Reflections: Low
Post Processing: On
Building Detail: High
Physics: Medium
Tree Quality: Low
Terrain Detail: High
Effects Fidelity: High
Effects Density: High
Rain Detail: Low
Object Scarring: On
Model Detail: slider maxed

Average 60 fps 
Maximum 60 fps 
Minimum 7 fps

 

Fair enough, I'm d/ling the demo thru steam, does that have the benchmark in it?

 

I was able to play that game on mostly max-settings (no AA) on my P-8711FX, which has a weaker processor than yours (P8400 - 2.26ghz), and my performance never dropped down like that when panning... Unless you meant setting the camera on the ground and rotating it to see the entire battlefield, which does really decrease performance a lot.

 

CoH Demo Bench results -novsync

8800M GTX stock X9000 @3.2GHz:
avg 145.5
max 354.2
min 69.8

8800M GTX stock X9000 @2.6GHz:
avg 144.9
max 329.6
min 75.2

Doesn't look cpu restricted to me.

Haven't tried pannig yet, will get back to you.

 

The demo's benchmark is all kinds of wacky.

Here you go, greenfish, this is at the settings you posted:



Also, mine is on version 2.601.0, and this is with the Opposing Fronts expansion.

 

So are you saying that the demos bench is different?

 

Thank you so much for the benchmark, at least I can confirm there's nothing wrong with my system. Kevin_Jack 2.0 did you get my steam message I sent to you 1-2 days ago? If you ever wanna game l4d2/coh, hook me up

@theriko

Yeah, the retail game/patches introduced dx10 and new graphical additions that puts more stress on your system. Regardless thanks for the demo benchmark, if you cut those fps numbers in half you'll probably end up with a similar result just like me

@Purlpo

Yeah panning/tilling the camera towards the battlefield really puts your fps on the floor, at least in my case. I'm glad i'm not the only one, which proves it's the game and not our system.


Thanks a lot guys for your benchmarks and general help, much appreciated

 

I would like to replace P8800 with P9700 on a SONY Z890. Can the processor alone be upgraded ? Are there any downsides to this ? The Z890 originally had a customization option with a P9700 but this was removed by SONY when I ordered my laptop.

gytzsgb

 

Clarification:
The laptop is a SONY VAIO VGN-890G with a 2.66 GHz Processor [P8800]. I want to purchase a new P9700 and replace the P8800. Can this be done easily. Or is there soldering etc.

gytzsgb

 

You'd be wasting money with that upgrade. Just forget about it. 2.66 -> 2.8 is nothing, 5% increase.

 

Kevin_Jack 2.0:

Thanks for your posting. But just out of curiosity, how complicated is the replacement of the P8800 with a P9700 on a SONY Vaio. Is there soldering involved or is it just a press-in job ? I am curious because the SONY VAIO Z-890 had been listed with the P9700 as an option but was withdrawn a couple about a month ago. Could you shed light on this aspect. Also where could I purchase a brand new P9700 ?

gytzsgb

 

you might want to ask this in the Sony laptop forum

 

Is there a SONY laptop forum on this website ? ( I didn't see it listed)
gytzsgb

 

To Mausimo:

Ok thanks I see where it is now. Have posted thread on same.

Mike M.