nvidia 9800 coming in 3 months!!?

9800xt coming out in about 3 months!, mobo revision probably needed

so, i was planning on upgrading my august D901c. Meaning i would need new mobo for new processor and 8800. So i called my reseller and i said i was thinking about doing it this summer. They basically told me it MIGHT be a good idea to wait three months cuz they're expecting the 9800 which will be both FASTER AND CHEAPER than the 8800. I know most of you guys here know more about this than i do. So, what do you guys think of this speculation. A sales rep. mouth let loose? or just some idiot had no idea wat he was talking about?

a cheaper more powerful card... in 3 months... sounds yummy

 

I think it's somewhat possible, go to eurocom you can see they are offering 9800m GTS for M860TU

 

yea see.. the guy on the fone i just realized never specified GTS or GTX. I suppose the 9800 GTS would probably be weaker than the 8800GTX, no? especially since they're charging 250 more for the 8800. So, if the guy said its MORE powerful and cheaper he shud mean the 9800 gtx...

BTW.. NIRVANA! i just noticed ur at NYU.. SO AM I!! wow.. interesting... lol

 

the preliminary specs of the 98xxM GTX suggest that its power and MXM requirements are like that of the current 8800M GTX (MXM Type IV).

So a motherboard upgrade might not be needed... if anything, probably just a BIOS update.

 

So, then it should be at least a little faster since its the next-gen card. But what i dont get, is how could this card get CHEAPER? which would then of course render the 8800 completely obselete, functionally and economically.

 

i would not kill off the 8800 off just yet.

some people that do not want the latest/greatest would want a step down option to get better bang for the buck

 

Wouldn't better bang for buck be the 9800?

Then again, what was the difference between the 8800 GTS and the 8800 GTX?

Perhaps its the 8800 GTS just more efficient and more memory?

Either way, it should still be as 'future proof' as the 8800 GTX, not so?

 

8800M GTS - 64 pipelines (stream processors)
8800M GTX - 96 pipelines (stream processors)

 

Interesting. As far as I know with Nvidia, when it comes to desktop cards, they tend to release the top model of a given generation first, and then work their way down. That's how they did it with the 7800 and 8800 cards. I don't know as much about the history of their laptop products, but it historically has been the opposite, correct? The 8800M GTX was released more recently than the lower tier 8xxx cards.

I'm just speculating, of course, and I hope I don't have my facts wrong, but maybe it's a safe bet that this new 98xx card won't have the performance of the 8800M GTX just yet.

 

If you look at desktop GPUs NVIDIA have been a bit cheeky. The 8800 GTS 512MB card should really have been a 9800 GTS as it was based on the G92 (as the 9800s are) and that's why people were expecting so much more from the 9800 GTX. They do scale better in SLI than 8800s though...........

Also if you look at the pricing of a desktop 8800GTX (if you can find one ) compared to the 9800 GTXs then why shouldn't the "M" versions follow that trend?

In the desktop market there isn't really any point in upgrading from an 8 GTX /512MB GTS to a 9 GTX - may as well wait for the 10 series to come out...

 

Unfortunately I think the OP will still need to do a mobo upgrade since, according to his signature, he's got a D900 with 7950GTX GPU, which implies (but doesn't prove ) that he has one of the older, pre-8800M systems.

 

as mentioned the 9800gtx will be a g92 revision of the 8800gtx (g92) runs cooler less power etc etc.

I think it was either the register or the inquirer that noted the G200 chip was going to be 9900 gtx...

 

So my dream to skip the 8th series and get the 9800M GTX might not be so foolish

 

Not only that... I´m hoping that nVidia this time will not play the lazer cut game on the SPs this time... ATI is reborn again on the mobile market, and nVidia dont whant to be defeated face to ATI´s 3870 Mobility/4000 Mobility series.

As everybody knows the 8800M GTX have 96SPs lazer cuted from 128.

If the 9800M GTX come with 128SPs, the shader power will increase 1/4, thats 25% more than 8800M GTX.

That with a shrink to 55n and a revised G92 core, will improve the overclock margin with less heat and less need of power. Not only that, is expected that 9800M GTX come with 1.0n GDDR3, face to 1.2n GGDR3 used on the 8800M GTX.

 

man im gonna be pissed........

 

I read that the 9800 series will come with 1 Gb of DDR3 memory, not that it would matter.
Let`s hope you`re right on this one Audigy. I might just raise the upgrade quota to 2k$ if I can get a quad also

 

I'm glad I got one 8800gtx with my NP9262

 

maybe 8800m GTX = 9800M GTS?

 

same reason penryns are cheaper than meroms, prodution cost is lower because of smaller die...

 

Nop, 9800M GTS will be based on the G94 core, wich is the same used on an 9600 GT desktop card.

So 9800M GTS will have 64SPs, 256bit bus, but less Texture Units(32vs54) than the actual 8800M GTS... so 8800M GTS will be better than 9800M GTS(but not much).

 

There were 5 versions of the 9800m noted

 

I want the 9950M GTX , so that it`d be a respectable replacement for my good old 7950GTX

 

i thought about that eleron lol... But, i doubt we're gonna see that with an 8950 GTX lol. since the 7950 was out before the 8xxx series that was the best card. it looks like the 8800 gtx will be the best 8 card while the 9800gtx will be the best 9 card.
If the 9800 becomes both stronger and cheaper, the 8 series cards will be useless. since you wont even be getting a better bang for you buck!

 

Well, the desktop world will see the 9900 series. So it`s only logical that a 9900M GTX will be made.Just not this summer...

 

that depends.. do you think we'll ever see a 8900M GTX?

 

Waiting for the 9950M GTX,based on GT200, should be much better than 8800, i hope

 

i'll certainly go for 9950M GTX when it is released!!!

Will it be compatible with my sager btw?

 

Well I can not wait for the 12950GTXXX with 6 gigs of DDR9 ram to come out. It will be a gazillion times faster than the 8800M GTX and have full holo-display support with Direct X 14!!!!

Hmm, maybe I took that a little too far.

 

And the moral of the story is something better will always come out. So buy what you need, when you need.

8800GTX for me

 

I think looking out for the G200 based cards is what the "next big thingers" out there need to wait for.

why wait for the 9800m gtx which could be a few months off, when you could be gaming away on an 8800mgtx (providing you dont already have a decent card that is....Eleron )

I cant stress enough the fun of actually having a gaming rig NOW if you dont have one already

plus considering the smaller die, its very likely that the 9800 will simply drop into existing mxm machines that support 8800, if it is worth it

 

wonder when the 998900000000000gtx will be coming...prob sooner than we all think ... this card will have 250,000gb of nano ram on it.. chips so small the human eye cant see them. it will appear as a plain green circuit board with nothing on it, but its there oh yes its there...frame rates so fast they are to fast for the human eye and everyone will be getting bionic implants for eyes just to be able to play the most current games. people will have there hands replaced with controllers and be able to "be" the game. all of this will need a intel 100core cpu that runs at a whopping 5 million ghz..games will take up 10t bytes each on the hdd's which people will need 5 billion t bytes to be able to store everything... oh yes soon enough lol you gonna wait for that??

lol i get pissed trust me when i see the new stuff but they have use by the balls and when new stuff comes what do we all do.. just like with gas prices.. we keep buying it..

 

All this on a 1lb 17inch notebok

 

man thats heavy i was thinking less.. not sure if i can swing carrying that thing around ....

 

I have the 7950GTX and it still packs quite a punch. But gaming natively is no longer a reality. Games over 2006 will not run natively,on max, with a few exceptions.
And today`s titles mostly force me to lower either the res or the details.
That`s why I need a better card. But one with more future proof.
The 8800M GTX is already ancient news

 

telling you man wait till the new stuff comes.. then we will be able to play on 100" monitors at native res...lol

 

Well, whatever new stuff will be in June/July,that`s my upgrade lol.
New CPU, GPU and HDD. Those are a must for me ATM...

 

A 250TB HDD * 1 also in a 15incher soon

 

What cpu are you planning on upgrading to? The t7500 is a pretty able performer as it is... I would rather buy 4 gigs of RAM.

 

4 gig or ram, I forgot to mention that. Well, it`s ~70$ now, so it`s not worth mentioning.
What CPU ? I dunno, I`d go upto 600$ if I could get a good quad, but I don`t think so.
You see, the T7500 would hold me back, at least a 500 point decrease from the T9300,which is only 300 Mhz faster.
I am kinda tired of long loading times for the apps, so I need a faster cpu and especially hdd. 7200 rpm, here I come (first one)

 

fast loading = raid 0
there's not contest, a heap o ram will help too
a friend of mine kept his old pc running a few years back by upgrading hdd's to faster ones, and adding ram, made is Intel I740 agp 2x 8mb card last longer it even played games well that required a 16mb graphics card (go figure)

and eleron, I kind of hinted that you could wait because you could still actually play current games, even if it is at reduced settings, you can still play

 

I am in the fever lol, I need to have a better system. To many of my friends have desktops with over 10k 3dmark scores...
I want to prove to them that a single laptop GPU can be better

 

They would still laugh at how much you paid for all your upgrades

 

LOL eleron, what you need is a good HDD... if your T7500 is not sufficient, man you are very demanding...

Even with one 9800M GTX(hopefully with 128SPs) your T7500 will be sufficient. Your GPU is the one that will hold your system back...

If you play with 3D Rendering, programing, video convert, and such, the extra power of an quad will help you... if not, stick with your dual core, it have enough power for your needs...

 

One 8800 GT 512MB that costs 149$ VS 8800M GTX that costs 745$...

HolyMoley 5 times more expensive... and the 8800M GTX have only 96SPs

You can make an Quad SLi and it still be cheaper...

 

yeah your mates might be laughing, but at least you dont have to host the lan party

and if they scoff at what you paid for the machine, then the answer is simple

"I am considerably richer than yaw!"

 

Lol, it`s not about the money. If I think about it, for the 1500$ I could make a very sweet desktop...
Tough choice.
But I am getting a hdd and a new GPU.
A desktop will have to wait,if that system will do just fine.
Audigy,if you have time, can you point me to a program you used to get your CPU that high(is it SetFSB by any chance?) since I want 2.5Ghz of CPU power.
If can manage to OC`it that far and also undervolt it for lower temps and keep it under 60C, it`s enough then.
I don`t need the super duber CPU power,but 2.2 seems slow when the world has even quads at over 5 gigahertz...

 

My T7700 only at 2.6Ghz:

Faster than DDR2 800 on an Asus Maximus Formula


Beat an E6700


Imagine this at 2.9Ghz...


Proves:
wPrime 32M:

2 Threads - 27,974 sec ( http://wprime.net/score.cgi?id=16222)

4 Threads - 27,551 sec ( http://wprime.net/score.cgi?id=16220)

Same performance as an X9000 by 1/4 of it´s price:

 

About the undervolting, it depends on how much your CPU can handle...

But at 2.5Ghz you should have no problems undervolting.

Use the latest SetFSB with that PLL:

 

Now you see, my stock 2.2 scores like 40s in wprime.I`m closed as many programs I`ve could,and still no improvement.
My T7500 is a slouch lol.If only I could OCit and keep the temps under 60C ...

 

Just try rise it to 2.5G, if it stays stable, lower the VCore a bit... until it becomes instable.