q6600 pin-modders, what is your idle and load temps in normal fans

D900C;

and, are you worried at all or know if the wattage of the cpu has increased to about 130w since the qx9650 is similar in terms of fsb and gzh to the pin-modded q6600?

a 130w cpu is gong to fry the cpu socket, right?

 

actually the Q6600 that are being sold in the D901C's are the g0-stepping versions... which have a 95w TDP. The previous B3-stepping version had 110w TDP, which was not recommended for this system.

So the OC should not really affect the power... but mainly the heat.

 

are you sure that the wattage requirements do not increase, gophn?

i mean, this is not really an overclock but a pin-mod which seems to unlock a faster speed in both fsb and ghz without increasing the motherboard's fsb.

 

i got this reply elsewhere;

if the wattage requirements hover close to 130w under load with the pin-mod it will fry the cpu socket pre-maturely, i think.

 

just like any other unofficial mods (OC) to a system that the vendor or manufacturer does not support...

I would make sure that all temps are good by using the Fan Toggle, and check the power draw by using hardware monitoring programs to see the voltage differences from default to after OC.

No doubt theres some more power draw, but I am not exactly how much there is.

 

Unless, of course, "they" built enough redundancy into the system so that a CPU with a nominal TDP of 95w, but an OC potential TDP of 130w (or whatever the actual TDP being achieved is), would not immediately fry itself - of course, it'll still die young.

 

The max TDP of the Q6600 G0-stepping CPU is 200w... so I doubt that the pin-mod OC can bring it up that high.

 

i am not really concearned about the temps as the max fan setting can cool a 130w cpu easily. i am more concearned that the cpu socket itself can fry because more current is running through it with the pin-mod.

 

oh... if thats your concern.... the CPU will not fry as long as the system's fans are working.

The max TDP for the Q6600 is not even close with a 1333mhz fsb OC.

 

in other words, why is it that the maximum cpu the socket can support is 95w? isn't it because clevo's design wants to eliminate what happened to the p4 fiasco of the d900t's where they could accept up to 125w cpu's (like the p4 3.6 that is in my d900t, which, btw, has a dead mobo, again!) and fried the cpu sockets causing the wide spread mobo deaths out of the blue?

 

I'll take that as gospel truth; however, I doubt if the "fudge factors" (there's a more technically precise term I used to know when I was studying engineering, but I've long since forgotten it) they use are intended to provide a margin of safety all the way up to the max TDP, but rather to cover a reasonable range within which the CPU is most likely to operate, taking into account the likelihood of OC'ing.

It's just another version of the low-fruit theory - don't sweat every orange on the tree, just make sure you get all of the low-hanging fruit.

 

no, not frying the cpu, i am not worried about that. i am talking about frying the cpu socket on the motherboard itself. the cpu will be just fine i am sure.

 

margin of error yes, but i am sure they never expected pin-modding cpu's. i have not seen this since the days of the amd xp1800 when it tried pin-modding that with rear defogger kits to unlock it's multipliers.

 

They may also have taken into account the variation between how quickly the CPU can heat up as compared to how quickly the fans can cool it back down starting from a dead stop. The fans may, in a steady-state system, be able to keep a 130w TDP chip cool, but if the chip hits that point too soon before the fans have spun up to the point at which they can achieve that steady-state, the CPU may already have fried itself.

 

its not the socket itself that is the max support for the power requirements... the socket is the same as the desktop's LGA775.

The main reason that its not recommended to use a higher TDP CPU is by Clevo's recommendation... since the system is limited to its small, yet massive 280watt PSU.

So you can stick in other LGA775 Core 2's and have the system POST and run, but that does not not mean that they would run stable if the power draw is too high for the system... which is why we had that massive thread about Clevo's announcement about the first Q6600 (B3-stepping 110w) not being recommended for the system.

So far, all of the people that have the D901C and did the pin mod have yet to see any negative stability issues... which is a good sign.

 

the psu is 220w (like yours, gophn) and i believe the reason the 9260 would not support quads is because of the max current draw or thermal / wattage rating of the cpu socket.

 

the temps on my q6600 increase very very fast when i run any application that utilizes all 4 cores, like wprime benchmark test. when i mean very fast, i mean temps increase 9c in 10 seconds. they just went from 58c general idle to 66c when i did this test now.

 

its 280w PSU... the powerbrick and motherboard were revised to support the higher wattage.

physically the powerbrick and cables look the same, the in-erds are slightly different.

thats still freaking awesome, my Q6600 in the desktop i'm building goes up to and sometimes past 70C after my OC to 3.0GHz.

I am planning to get a better cooling fan/heatsink, like Tuniq Tower to bring the temps down.

Clevo must have seriously designed their heatpiping/heatsink and fans systems well to get that temp even after such a good OC.

 

that anything like the i-nerds (oops, wait, that's me, isn't it)

 

then why didn't they change the sticker on the bricks? i have two and they both say 20v and 11a. this is 220w. i thought it is against the "law" to falsley claim the power draws of an appliance.

 

not against the law when they are having their patents pending

 

waht is a good program for monitoring temp levels...?

i have done this pin mod thing and so far the only negative thing happened to me was a blue screen of death(i had never seen one before) but of course that may have been due to various factors... i left the pc on all day without press fn+1 and i guess i went to do something in internet explorer and it just crashed... i restarded da pc 4 times n kept getting same blue screen right on log on... i did a disk defrag in safe mode n wala the pc was back to normal(dats the wierdist thing ever)......

however my pc is incredibly fast i run multiple things like microsoft outlook and internet explorer with 5 tabs at a time while runnining a 3rd program (emule, word, etc.) and it just does it so smoothly..
i remember at 2.4 ghz da computer would get annoyingly slow sometimes....

dont even wanna talk about my duo core 1.8 ghz vaio(fricking multi tasking nightmare)...

i cant wait till da future comes n we are at 200 ghz processors... remember when we used to have 2000 mb hard drives... they didnt even have the word gigabyte as a normaly used word...

couldnt even have quake and command and conquer on da same pc without runnin out of space!!!

 

oh and just so u guys know i did run cpu-z and did see the increase in fsb(can someone explain what this mean and what it does )???

 

You can use HWMonitor or NHC to check the temps.

 

try these temp monitoring programs:
- RivaTuner (GPU)
- nTune (GPU)
- RMclock (CPU)
- HWmonitor (all-in-one)
- Everest (all-in-one)

 

Coretemp is the best.

it gives you all you need accurately and simple. tjunction/ tcmax etc.
and Nvtray is the best for GPU because it gives you clocks and temps of both gpu's whilst gaming in the top corner and FPS.

 

With normal fans running intel TAT + 2x CPU burn, 72C on the hottest core. When running max fans the temps goes down by 4-5C. When running prime95 torture test max heat, the system crashes. I think it crashes couse the power rises above 220W. I checked it with a power meter. Wprime runs fine on my system. When running normal fans on idle system, hottest core reaches between 57-59C.

 

mine stock q6600 idles at 57-59c as well. it is not the problem when sitting idle. it's when all 4 cores are being taxed and the 130w is required to run them stable are when the problems happen.

it reminds me of the np 9260 when that did not support quad cores and everyone went up in arms over that. clevo issued a statement that long term stability was a problem if you tried running quad cores on that motherboard and thus, they revised it to the 9261 motherboard but that could only accept a 95w thermal limit for the cpu. if the pin-mod increases it's wattage rating on the q6600 we are back to square one and running above spec. a 130w cpu i assume is considered running way above spec.

 

i contacted sager tech support and they said it is a 220w brick, like the sticker on it implies.

 

everything i've thrown at it. it has run stable.

encoding.transoding.decoding.demuxing multiplexing etc etc.

and gaming.

thats all I need.

 

can someone with the pin-mod tell me what the VID defaults to using coretemp monitor? the default VID is 1.2750v for stock q6600.

 

did some more searching on the wattage;

i saw a blurry pick of cpu-z posted after the pin-mod by someone here and it looked like the VID went to 1.325 from the base of 1.275.

so knowing the new VID we can start using the formula, Pd = C x V2 x f;

which translates to 24.3496 x 1.7556 x 3 = 128w

so there you have it, 128 watts for the pin-modded q6600.

 

This temp monitors driver me crazy

HWMonitor says that my CPU cores run between 58C(min) and 69C(max). ACPI at 60C.
CoreTemp says that my CPU cores run between 35C and 40C.
SpeedFan between 43C and 48C. ACPI at 57C.

I'm on Vista x64. Who will I trust?

Trance

 

Against a reference non-OC wattage of 118.749~119w, correct?

 

Trance, HWMonitor is the most accurate from my experience with laptops and desktops , for Nvidia and Intel hardware.
For ATI and AMD HWMonitor is not very reliable.

 

against the non-OC stock q6600 which comes out to 94.9999 wattage.

24.3496 x 1.625625 x 2.4 = 94.9999w

 

You're right; my bad, I forgot to adjust for the different frequency when I did the calculation.

 

Hm, so the pin mod takes the TDP into the 130W range,with a 50%increase for a 25%increase in speed? Ouch.

 

ok i did the pin-mod myself (although it to be unstable i managed to get the results) and it did not change the VID! it kept the VID at stock 1.275.

knowing this, the new wattage requirements for this pin mon are 118.7 watts.

the 128 wattage figure i stated before is incorrect since we now know the VID.

 

unstable how? Did you tape one pin? two pins? or did you do the "Window defogger" method?

 

i did the window defogger methos with 2 pins. first time it booted up and would crash and hard boots.

then i reapplied it and it would not post.

i am going to do the 1 pin tape mod instead and see what that does.

 

You let it dry all the way right?

 

i let it dry out for 20 minutes. it seemed dry to me.

ok anyway i did the tape mod as well on 2 pin....same instability results with tht as well. it was much easier to do, of course, but no good. hard reboots.

 

Are you sure you haven't bridged any pins with that defogger stuff coz that pic looks like you might've...(obviously apart from the 2 you meant to bridge)

 

i did not bridge any. it was close but i clearly saw a very tiny amount of space between. also, with the fact that the easily-applied tape mod on 1 pin did not work either leads me to believe that my system simply will not tollerate this mod. i am guessing it is because i have the newer bios and maybe others have an older bios which is more forgiving.

 

Or it could be that you have a cpu that just isn't quite good enough to handle it. All cpu's will be different as to how much overclocking they will take without it just being too much for them to take

 

I heard the one pin mod works just fine.
http://forums.nvidia.com/lofiversion/index.php?t58361.html

 

If it doesn't sound stupid,is it possible to undervolt the modded Q6600 to reduce temps?

 

i did that exact mod with electrical tape. it was just as unstable. kep hard booting. i managed to run crysis for a few minutes then it hard booted. then it would not even load windows as it just kep booting in endless cycles. this mod is not worth the risk of file corruption.

 

Runs fine on my roomates PC, his is lapped though...
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/402/1/

His temps overclocked and lapped are about the same as before...
With a stock fan he sits idle at 35C gaming goes to 55C and wprime stress test took him to 63C.