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If I found a card a that is compatible with the mxm type of my laptop, does it matter about the branding i.e. hp etc?
I'd like to give a FX3600 or FX3700 a go, or will they not boot?
It's the professional equivalent, any performance differential will be noticeable in artificial benchmarks and not in actual performance with the proper drivers installed.
HP branded cards made for the 8710p/w gen laptops have a VBios incompatible with most built in displays. 3600m and such cards will need to be flashed to 9800m gt or another g92 board vbios that will work with clevos.
The 2700m may be easier an a better option at around 120$, also seeing as how 3700m are "worth" about 200$ you shouldn't go for a 3600m at the same price, from that dumb french seller...
Unfortunately no, it has 32 less shaders than a real 8800 gtx
yea it sucks recently that was possible, it was great, but they disappeared after a while. you could get them under 100$
decided i've spent too much thinking about what'll work and what won't and what to replace and fix, so I've just slapped the machine on ebay, hopefully someone will make use of it. I've put it on for £566 free p&P, is that too much? I noticed someone put the same laptop (well almost the same) on ebay for £399, he wouldn't sell the parts though, i asked him.
thanks for the heads up but i haven't bought one. I think i'll be saving for one of those dell xps laptops with sli 8800's. Assuming I can get rid of this machine.
Quite peed off atm as I had to buy a new gfx card for my deskop as it overheated and my cpu is on it's last legs too...wondered why my games have been lagging loads recently, ahhh computers!
luckily i made some cash on ebay to buy some deskop parts.
seriously don't start that crap again, paralels cards did not damage his laptop, it was pushed way to far with overvolting and possibly AS5 leakage. His laptop would be just fine if it wasn't for that. If the hp graphics card was causing issues, others would be suffering as well and no one would be buying the graphics card. Also after talking with notebook parts, they made it sound like they go around looking for the HP cards, and where not getting them from a direct source. So who knows how they getting them, bad cards on ebay and a heat gun to fix them?
It is completely inaccurate information. What you are trying to convince people of defeats the entire purpose of the mxm standard for notebook graphics cards. The only case where using a different graphics card in your laptop could cause dmg to other components is from heat. Which is the only reason certain cards aren't offered in the firstplace.
The heat issue is caused by improper cooling solutions. For example parales laptop was not rated to handle the heat above a gtx 280m. He used a fx 3700m, while it has the same 128 cores it uses a older die size 65nm vs 55nm. The larger size produces more heat and requires more power clock per clock.
You provide no proof to backup your claim, have no source to backup your claim and have done no testing to backup your claim.
There is only one laptop brand that I know that breaks the mxm standard and that's the Msi laptops. They found a way to supply enough power to mxm IV cards without connecting the extra power tab to the slot. Some how they push enough power through a mxm 3 slot for IV cards. So even in this rare case the laptop maker has already approved higher powered gpu's by doing this. That does not mean their heatsinks are compliant. Example being the updated heatsinks for higher powered gpu's.
To sum it all up, if the card is fully mxm compliant it will work just fine. If it isn't the card will not work properly or not at all and by not working properly I mean no screen image or other display issues that will not harm your laptop.
I did overvolt my components.. I burned notebook video cards doing it.
I for sure knew my warranty was spent... but I also built the notebook from spare parts off of ebay too.. *m1710.. the 8800 in my d901c.. didn't die from it because i learned lotz from my previous mistakes.
"Which is the only reason certain cards aren't offered in the firstplace"
And you, what is your proof, source to backup the conditional 'only' in your claim? It's easy to prove that the overheating is a problem, but to prove that it's the
only problem, this is the hard part, because in Science, not because you didn't prove something then it doesn't exist, no, you have to prove the non existence of that thing.
Ahh, you talked about the die size and power per clock things, so the ordinary reader will be impressed and said "mmm, this guy seems to know a lot of complicated things, then he should be right on his claim". Well, I'll not talk about how electronically the VGA card can damage the motherboard. You know why, because simply it is not a part of my modest knowledge and I'll not start talking about something I'm not really good in.
Any way, I'm here to advice people who want to be advised and I don't think that you, and the members of that creature's friends group, are one of them. So for the OTHERS, just think about this :
Take one Clevo video card and the same model name exactly from HP and compare it. If they were identical, then WHY the chipsets are differents in the 2 cards? WHY Clevo resellers like Sager, Eurocom, Xotopic, RjTech, etc don't just buy their barebones without video cards and then add an HP one inside since the HP card is half price than the Clevo one? WHY warranty is considered to be voided when you use another GPU card that is not approved to your system? what 'approved' should mean?
At the contrary of some could think, MXM was implanted for the easy use of manufacturers not end-users.
Here is another thread,
http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/528577-sager-9262-_-warranty-conundrum-quadro-fx.html satch420 talked about the HP FX2700M he used on his Clevo D900C. This machine has an approved-by-Clevo FX2700M card. But guess what, the same card name but HP branded is having trouble :
HP cards are not cheaper, the cheap ones you see are just pulls. Resellers aren't going to be buying parts from places like notebookparts.com (which don't even have many of the cards anyway so couldn't supply them).
Nobody said the cards are identical anyway, but they have to comply with the MXM standard, therefore should not cause damage.
Maybe because it takes time to test mxm cards, and they have to be sure something is compatible before they put a warranty on it. Just because they didn't test the cards, doesn't mean the cards are bad.
I also don't believe warranty will be voided on the notebook, I would think that you only wouldn't have warranty on the new card.
Like many notebook upgrades, most of the time you don't get a warranty on the part you have upgraded, but you still have a warranty on the rest of the system as long as your upgrade isn't what caused the failure.
But I didn't read the warranty info for any clevo notebook so I can't be sure.
Now about that link you posted with the guy that had problems with his HP card, he said it always works with an external monitor. It would seem to me that it is just a problem with bios support for the card.
The card isn't doing any damage to his system, so it's not even helping you with your point.
Yes some cards are not suppored, those cards wont work perfectly, but they wont cause damage.
Problems? See this thread at archive.org.
