reliability of BGA cpu and gpu

Interested in the clevo P670RE and the CPU and GPU are soldered on the motherboard, will they easily fail within three years?
Do you guys usually buy the 3 year warranty? If I buy with a credit card which can usually provide warranty for one extra year in addition to the 3 years, I guess I will feel more assured. Another option is to buy 2-year warranty which is usually 100 dollars cheaper and have the credit card cover for the 3rd year. Which option is better in saving money for 3 yea

 

Hi,
Nothing to worry about BGA durability over LGA, in fact, it will most likely less fail than LGA ( no mechanical system, just soldering), i don't think it will be a problem at all especially "only for 3 years".
I didn't bought the 3 year warranty, i stuck to the french/european 2 years standard warranty

Elipsus

 

The chassis is properly designed so no, in systems where the board can flex depending on how you pick up the system the strain of bending can impact the BGA parts (my old acer did this).

 

Thanks, I feel more confident in them now

 

I would agree that there shouldn't really be any issues in general with CPU and GPU, but having an extended warranty isn't a bad idea. As for getting the 2 year or 3 year warranty, maybe check with your card or do some homework on how easy it is to file a claim with them. If it looks to be a huge process and a pain, it might be worth the $100 to just pick up the actual 3 year.

 

Would you say the kinks have been ironed out in terms of...the bga chips cooking themself to the point where it would need re-flowing and/or reballing.I'm aware chips as well as cooling have come along way and the heat of then was higher than that of now (due to die shrinks and such) but just wondering...

That's what scares me.Have had to many of my friends with their older HP's (well it was well recorded that the solder was ****ty and case had poor thermal designs).

 

Clevo's generally have good cooling for the most part, and that definitely helps put less stress on the system.

 

re-cooking and reballing is direct effect to the interdiction of using lead in soldering, making durable and efficient soldering flux without lead was very difficult ( ..... durability problems), it's only recently ( 3-5years) that industrials found good "recipes" for the soldering, now the problem is solved .

 

With BGA junk, you never know when it can fail so get as much warranty as you can as if anything fails and your out of waranty, the bill is going to be pretty big..

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The advantage to doing the 3 year would then be you could get it covered for 4 years total with the credit card right? That would mean you are under warranty for the average time that most people keep them. The P670RE is a good machine, i think you would be happy with it and shouldn't see any major design flaws with it.

 

This can be said about just about anything, ever. The bill can easily run a few hundred dollars though, so yeah: more warranty is never a bad thing.

 

The issue for me is, if any part of BGA model goes, everything goes. With modular system, GPU goes, I can just replace the GPU. If I know Pascal is around the corner for example, then I have the option to just get the cheaper 970M and wait for Pascal. Same for 4790K, if I will be upgrading later, I can opt to get the cheaper 4700 or 4600 series. If something on the motherboard itself goes, then just the MB. With these BGA models, if the chipset is broke, then I'm looking to replace the CPU and GPU as well, unless Sager/Prostar can replace just the chipset? Doubtful, maybe I am wrong. Replacing a 980M+4820HQ for a $50 chipset? Good grief.

And of course this goes for non-warranty issues. I bork the 4790K while delidding, overclocking, messing with cooling system or something, then I only have to replace 4790K. What if I destroy some of the pins on the 1150 socket? I only have to replace the MB. Just saying.

 

Good points, however you do pay for it on the front end when getting the fully modular machine, and also on the back end by a typically heavier and bulkier machine. It is for sure worth considering however. Especially if you're looking at the longer life cycle like a 4-5 year time frame of "useful life".

 

That's true, and mostly fair. The caveat I see is the school of thought that BGA is ubiquitously less fiscally sensible to end users. Going off of RMA history, the cost varies widely, making the argument that modular hardware is all around more affordable a bit of hearsay. But, as far as it being more practical for end users? Oh yeah, absolutely.

Also good points!