some info about upcoming refresh

Yeah the 7990M would be quite the beast if and when it ever comes. According to some sources the high end hd 7000 series such 7970+ utilize xdr2 memory which double the bandwidth and consume 30% less power than the hd 6000 series.

AMD's Next Generation Radeon HD 7970 GPU's Performance Comparable to HD 6990

It would be awesome to see xdr2 on the clevo lol

 

I did a research about XDR2, it is pretty damn impressive!!



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The XDR2 rumor wasn't true. The HD 7000s are confirmed to use GDDR5.

 

oh damn.. was hoping it would be awesome to have XDR2...

 

yes, still gddr5.......hd7950

 

I'm thinking 1536sp, which is the same as the desktop HD 7870 and of course the HD 6970!

 

It is good to remember that CES will be here in Las Vegas is in 4 weeks...

We will be getting some new light on this refresh then.
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1408 is just the minimum I'll accept, as anything less will be greatly disappointing. If 1536sp is possible, it may be reserved for the 7990M, if AMD holds true to form of 7970M first, 7990M 4 to 6 months later.

 

Exclusive: Mobile quad core OEM Ivy Bridge processors unveiled by VR-Zone.com

Looking forward to this ! Hope resellers can get it (is it resellers or Sager/Clevo putting the CPUs on ?)

 

Youve got to be kidding me, i just ordered the P150HM... And now they announce the successor with ivy bridge , 28nm GPUs (ok, we knew those two would be in there), Optimus (isnt it only supposed to be for the lower GT GPUs??) AND a backlit keyboard (which until now was only a dream with Clevos!)?
Really makes me think i should cancell my order ...

 

Sorry to hear that . It's really up to you, if you need one, keep it, if you can wait then wait .I'm patiently waiting . You must remember to don't buy any hi-tech purchase when it's 3 months near December/January (CES!).

They are putting backlit + optimus on the next refresh/along high GTX 6xx !

 

I personally don't want optimus on any machine with high end cards. It can get confused and switch when you don't want it to. If anything I'd prefer largely the mux switches, but I doubt it's designed in this time.

 

Can anyone speak to the veracity of this information for the P151EM1? Taobao is the Chinese equivalent of eBay I think. The dude's seller rating looks pretty good. The price is equivalent to $1257 USD. Then again, electronics are much cheaper here in the US than anywhere else so our price is likely lower. Also keep in mind the bipolar nature of Google Translate, hehe.

Taobao Google Translate

Sold by this seller:
Murong spider ornithoctonus huwena , Taobao Store , Taobao English , Taobao Agent , Taobao Paypal

And here is a Google translate of the specs:

 

I am looking forward to the new realeases. I think amd's offering will be better than what has been leaked! I for one will be upgrading when the time and price is right

 

Anyone have any idea if ivy bridge and the 28nm gpus will be an upgrade option for the P150HM (with a Bios update ofc)? Also if anyone has any photos of the mobo under the keyboard, is there any unused power plug that could be used for keyboard backlight (in case the P150EM keyboard is the same size/shape so we could just put one of those into a P150HM)?
Does it say anywhere which kind of Optimus implementation the P150EM will have - the auto switchable like in M14x or the manual switch with some FN+X function like the M17xR3?

 

Ivy Bridge = 0% backward compatibility
28nm GPUs = possibility, with numerous variables yet to be determined
Backlit keyboards = 0% backward compatibility

All we know about the Optimus, is that it will be a new 2.0 iteration, which Nvidia hasn't even detailed publicly yet.

 

Gwilled: actually electronic price in the U.S is not the lowest. Most parts come from China. They can put it together for cheap, but whether you trust them is another story

 

Ivy bridge doesnt really look all that better to me tbh, but if the optimus 2.0 actually works properly (not suddenly switching to integrated GPU when it shouldnt or even better if its a FN toggle) and thus gets you much more battery (lets say twice as much as the P150HM - 4 hours+) i know im going to be really tempted to switch laptops again... Any speculations if optimus can really improve battery life that much - i mean how much less juice does the integrated GPU use with basic tasks and video?
I can live without a backlit keyboard (though it might be nice to have occasionally and would make the laptop look better imo) and i do hope they make the new GPUs compatible if theyre really going to be a 30-50% improvement...

 

Many of the laptop ODMs like Compal and Clevo, as well as component companies, are based in Taiwan along with semiconductor fab plants. From my experiences visiting there several times, the prices are a heck of a lot more expensive there. I expected their prices to be lower, but a lot of stuff is much pricier!

 

I see gwilled, but seems to me after market components are so cheaper there. I got a second mobo for my Envy 1/4 of the price here.

But anyway looking forward to 2012 P150 ! Really want the 35 Watt quad on it

 

I think IB is a pretty good improvement. Comparing the slowest SB and IB quadcores that we know of so far:

2630QM - 2.0Ghz, 2.6Ghz turbo boost on 4 cores
3720QM - 2.6Ghz, 3.4Ghz turbo boost on 4 cores

We're getting a 30% increase in clock at the same power usage (45W), not to mention there's a much better GPU thrown in. Maybe in the future, we'll have 35W quadcores once Intel's 22nm manufacturing process is perfected.

 

Yes, I expect about 30% jump in performance at the same price-point.

 

For Gordon Moore's law would not count. It will be as usual: 15%.

 

I'm really not sure what to do here. I really want a 15" 2012 Clevo with Optimus, Backlit Keyboard, Intel Core i7-3720QM, and Nvidia's GTX 660M (hoping it is 28nm). But, my friend keeps pushing me to get a desktop instead and continue to use my current laptop for mobile needs. I love the idea of having everything I do on a computer available anywhere, but, some of the desktop confiurations I'm looking at are so much cheaper, so much more powerful, and so much more upgradable years down the road without worries like MXM changing to type IV or something. Plus I would like to have a desktop. Uhg, decisions decisions!

 

Are you still at school hellhog ? If you do, and you need to be mobile then get a laptop. If not stick with desktop

 

I am, but, my laptop (config in sig, haha it rhymes) still runs what I need it to run. The only downside is gaming is very limited. The other downer is at this point I am tied to needing an AC outlet since my battery is down to 53% wear. I get on average 50min battery life. I refuse to buy another battery since last time I bought a new battery, I only got 2.5 hours life on average plus it cost $135. I keep shifting which I lean toward buying. My friend is getting pissed off at me for wanting a laptop lol. My parents won't let me use loans on buying a new computer whatsoever (and I recently dropped way too much on paintball equipment, $1k), which considering half are in their name, I really have no control over. They will buy me a new computer if I absolutely need one, gaming is not a reason and I think it might be hard to convince them to drop $1500+ on a laptop or even $1000+ on a desktop. I may ask for a monitor for my bday this year so that it makes a desktop build a cheaper invenstment (and use it for my xbox).

I just really don't know lol. These IB/Optimus enabled gaming rigs are going to be insane. I really don't want to wait but I think I should wait before I make a decision on any type of new computer till summer. This way I also have as much info available since Kepler and IB should be well out.

uhg

 

May I ask if you're in college ? If so and in the coming years you're mobile as well, get a laptop. Sitting in front of a desktop is so last year (to me ...). And if you are going get a laptop, sell your desktop or something to cover the costs. It's your finance, nobody can really advise anything.

 

Thats a really bad comparison. At least compare the same models and not the outdated lineup - a 2670qm vs 3610qm. Its 2.2-3.1ghz vs 2.3-3.3ghz, so only a 100-200mhz difference. The 35w quad is actually slower - only 2.1-3.1ghz.
Or if you want to compare 3720qm take the 2760qm where the difference again is only 100-200mhz. (If youre set on comparing to the older SB lineup just add 200mhz.)
Just seams similar to the jump from 2720qm to 2760qm, nothing that earthshattering.

 

The IB high-end chips only gain 200mhz over SB and are still rated 55w ...that´s quite disappointing for a DIE shrink...guess they have run into shielding issues... i wouldn´t wait till April just for backlit and Optimus, also the new gpus are just a shrink and also work on current models.

 

Nope it's because most of the gains from the die-shrink went to that integrated GPU that we don't really care about.

 

Exactly the conclusion i came to... plus i got the 485m for no extra charge over the 560m so it would be a shame to cancel now.

 

I dont't know about you guys, but i think i wont be getting another nvidia gpu ever again.
Because of the infamous nvlddmkm.sys bsod.

A packard bell with 240m has it.
An acer with 9600m gt has (my firneds laptop)
And i have in my 460m sli.

The same friend of mine bought a msi fx700 with 425m. He so far has not suffered from this error, but his usage is more more lightly compared to the way i use my x7200 (day and night).

For me it seems like a game of luck, wheter or not you get this error.

I'd rather have a cheaper high end AMD gpu that can work without bsods 24/7 than a more expensive nvidia gpu that gives me a bsod at least 2 times a week.

So for me that amd gpu looks juicy.
Esspecialy considering the fact that if there are going to be 28nm 100W parts in both camps, they will end up with similar performance (look at 6990 vs 580m), regardless what the initial tables say.


Also note there is one other fact one must keep in mind.
Apple has announced it going to use "retina" class display in laptops.
That means a 16:10 HURRAY 2880x1800 display in laptops starting with 15"

Compared to that the "FULL HD" display, the current "HIGH END" seems like a failed fart to me.

 

Why on earth would you want a 2880x1800 display? Especially in a 15" monitor? I mean, 1920x1080 is already pretty small.

 

I'd probably pay up to a $500 premium just to get that screen if it were an option for Clevo laptops, because I've always felt 1920x1200 was too low a resolution.

I simply can't fit enough on the screen at once with it.

 

You must literally have the eyes of a hawk. Or you are a hawk. Or you're a hawk with bionic implants for eyes.

 

I don't know what part of you gets BSODs twice a week, but my 280M has almost never given me a BSOD in the two years I've used this, and I've seen others' laptops with 360Ms and 540Ms and none of them have had any issues. I use my D900F day and night (which, like your x7200, has desktop CPUs and triple channel RAM in it), and your friend with the 425M also has never gotten this bug of yours either. Ever thought it was your problem rather than the cards'? Something YOU put on YOUR machine that interferes with it?

Also, I would note as well, EVERYBODY seems to forget, nVidia does not only provide slightly better performance than AMD cards, you're also paying for CUDA and PhysX. If you don't care about those features of your card, then that's your stories. Don't act like it isn't there because you don't use it. That's like you comparing two cars of similar performance, except one's more expensive because it has a GPS and a Sunroof and Leather Seats, but since you don't care about those extras you ignore them and simply complain about the extra cost. It doesn't change the fact that it's still there, and that it's the reason for extra price.

I don't care whether you go AMD or nVidia though. Don't get me wrong. Just stop giving biased information.

 

I could actually do with more than 1920 x 1200 too. But I want it 16:9. I record WAY too many videos for youtube that I have to render in an underpowered, non-CUDA-supported video editing software just because it supports 1200p as a resolution where the others don't. But yeah, I'd love higher res... good for multitasking with Xsplit while streaming, so stuff doesn't appear in the background.

 

My laptop is 1440x900 and I think that is perfect. I'd love 1920x1080. I saw it for the first time today in a XPS 15 and was shocked at how small eveything is. I'd get used to it but anything bigger to me is ridiculous. However, I for the love of God cannot stand the 1366x768 resolution that has made headway onto today's laptops. It is so large and annoying to me.

 

so basically once you get that 2880x1800 screen on your mac you will be able to run the text editor and desktop at native resolution and thats it, for everything else you would need to to run under that resolution including games. not to mention that there are no mobile video cards that are capable of supporting such a high resolution. the highest resolution supported is 2560x1600.

 

Pretty much. Though if apple releases it, then they'll probably work something out with ATI to get a mobile GPU that will support it.

 

yes but it would have to treat the display as two separate displays basically inorder to utilize all of the pixels and the intel igp would have to be able to run that screen as well.

Its probably better that apple does the uber high resolution displays first as they control the hardware as well as the software and can make everything look the right size.

 

Yeah, we can let apple work out the kinks. Besides, higher res isn't ALWAYS better. You bring up a good point about the integrated gpu in the MacBooks... that could cause a problem. Somehow I don't foresee them doing this in the next year.

 

I do remember hearing that the integrated Ivy Bridge GPU's would support 4k resolutions.

If that's true for mobile Ivy Bridge, 2880x1800 should be no problem.

 

i totally agree that higher resolutions are not always better, if i could get a 95% gamut 1366x768 screen for my laptop i would do it, because i hate having to turn down the quality in games because i have such a high resolution. and as far as multitasking, i have a 1080p monitor that i can have other windows open on as well.

 

For all of you that have no idea what Apple is actually going to do, the low down is that they're going to pull the same move they used on the iPhone, which was increase the resolution four fold, and then make the operating system render all objects four times the size to keep the same general appearance whilst making things more "detailed". It'll likely come around the PC world in a year or so, I'd say.

 

It's not so much that I want things smaller, I simply want to fit more things on the screen. Like when using Xsplit for twitch.tv streaming, for example, it doesn't hook to the game directly (I'm not paying for that) but it'll hook to a portion of your screen that is the area of the game. If I'm running a game in 1600 x 900 or something large enough (I really dislike how small 720p is) I can't use my popout chat properly to see people, cuz it gets cut off. Also so does Xsplit, I can't see it well if it's up. It'd be great to have more resolution-related screen space (someday this will become more monitors) so I could manage my stuff better. Unfortunately I'm poor and usually I'd probably only be able to afford the laptop itself, far less an extra screen . But it's not particularly necessary in any way... I just sometimes feel like it would be nice to fit more stuff on my screen =P. It would help if I didn't have 10+ items open at any given time though. >_>.

 

maybe they should just make screens that are 8:3 aspect ratio so you can fit two normal sized windows next to eachother.

 

At what point would you need to turn down the quality of ANY game?

 

That's just wrong. I have a 1920x1200 resolution and I am very very happy with it. So happy that I have started a crusade against 1920x1080.

That being said. Having such a high resolution and pixel density means that I can easily reduce the resolution without any noticeably loss in clarity and/or quality in games. When I got my laptop I only wanted 1680x1050 because just like many say now, I didn't want to constantly reduce the quality of games in order to play them at the native resolution. I got the 1920x1200 screen by chance and I am very happy I didn't get the 1680x1050 screen.

 

I hate that 1920 x 1080 is the highest accepted mainstream standard for most things too. It does NOT help the fact, however, that if I want to work with many 1200p videos, my choice of an editor (assuming I don't want to letterbox it) is limited. And I don't want to letterbox it. Nor do I want to reduce the quality of my videos by squishing them down to a 1680 x 1050p resolution so they're accepted by the mass majority of editors who cannot support a resolution above 1920 x 1080. I make do with it because it's what I have and I refuse to letterbox my game just for videos (unless I feel like running it windowed), but it does not deviate from the fact that it would be a LOT easier to make videos AND render them (as the editors that let me use 1200p do not support CUDA for faster rendering) if I had a flat out 1080p screen.