still no news on nvida gtx 460m or 470m yet?

spec, benchmark, release date etc?

i sold my laptop last month expecting to get 460m or 470m equipped laptop sometime in this month but so far, i see no news. will it even come out anytime soon? i almost bought 5870 equipped laptop but i just wanted wait and see what's coming in a month or two(back in july), but so far.. nothing.
i need new laptop, darn it.

 

Well, nobody knows if the GTX 460M will even match the Mobillity Radeon HD 5870 in terms of performance... maybe yes, maybe not. I don't know if it is legal for people under NDA to state the date when their agreement terminates, that would be a pretty nice indication but would practically be the same as telling the release date, so it's probably not legal.

If the GTX 470M exits it will probably be relased (way) after GTX 460M. Information about the GTX 460M is pretty accurate (ammount of shader, clock rates, etc.), but there is no information about the GTX 460M. However, if it will be a GTX 460M with a little more shaders (say 224 instead of 192) it would probably beat the Mobility Radeon HD 5870 in performance and come very close to a stock clocked GTX 480M.

 

nVIDIA NDA is up in the first couple days of September. You will see more info then when the NDA lifts.

 

Wow, I hoped they would release it mid august... seems like we still have to wait some time. But thanks for the information!

 

There are news about the 460M. There is a French article available here ( Asus G53Jw et G73Jw : 15.6″ et 17.3″ avec Geforce GTX 460M et Core i7 (prix et configs) LaptopSpirit.fr - PC Portable, Ultraportables, Netbooks, UMPC et mobilité) stating that 2 Asus gaming laptops will have it equipped. They are talking about a released date this month in the USA.

They don't have details about its performance though, so we'll have to wait a bit more, but the card is on its way and articles about it should start appearing over the web in the coming days.

 

i hope they realease in this month. i can't take this anymore. i have desktop at home but i hardly have time to use it and now i have no gaming laptop. i bought gateway NV5929U for temporary laptop for web surfing and watching movies but it doesn't play any games. gahh..

 

So the GTX 470M is happening after all. And with the NDA ending in the next couple of days we will have more information about the GTX 460M as well. The GTX 460M already has a high clock rate, so I think we can rule out that the GTX 470M will just be a higher clocked GTX 460M. It seems reasonable to assume that it will have at least one extra Streaming Multiprocessor which would mean 240 shaders and probably 256 bit memory interface.

Of course, the best think would be if Nvidia would port the GTX 460 to laptops, but that will not happen (yet) as nobody would buy the GTX 480M anymore.

But then again Phinagle could be right... business wise it would make sense to try and sell all those crappy GF100 chips to notebook consumers who have no other choice - well except buying ATI cards.

 

Hard to say, The GTS 450 uses the same core as the GTX 460M. So the 470M might be a slightly trimmed down version of the GTX 460. In the far future, there might also be a new release for the 480M called 485M which will use the GTX 460 core. As you can see, at this point anything is possible.

 

I think everybody is expecting the full GTX 460 core as GTX 485M. But Nvidia will wait in order to sell more GTX 480M, then again we do not really have insight into their business policy.

Anyway, I found this:

So the GTX 470M seems to be based on GF104, which is logical.

But yeah, your right, at this point anything is possible, we just have to wait until the NDA ends.

 

Original poster, check Fudzilla from time to time.

 

Yup, theres the 470m listed.
Since the difference betwen the 5870 and 480m is at most 15%, and 460m is thought of beeing to the levels of the 5870, that means the 470m should be in between the 5870 and 480m.
And since those maximum 15% theorethicaly translate in next to noghing difference in fps, if priced correctly the 470m might be the next best bang for the buck.
And since the 460m is gonna be 1.5gb video buffer, and considering the 480m is 2gb, i bet 470m is gonna have at least 1.5gb and at most 2gb. And i wish to bet on the 2gb variant.

Having such a high end gpu with 2gb, is gonna be pretty good news, as even on desktop high end gpus with 2gb are scarce.

A 470m, with performance in between the 5870 and 480m, with 2gb ram, priced correctly might be a winner.
If the price is gonna be to high, then 5870 might still be "the king of the hill".

All we have to do is wait.
And if the price is gonna be right, the best choice out there is gonna be the x7200 with 470m SLI and core i7 950, which by the way, is half as it used to be. )

 

Well, it's save to assume that the GTX 470M will be more expensive than the MR HD 5870 no matter if it performs better or worse or equally well. Those vram numbers are just a marketing gimmick. You pointed it out yourself "evne desktop high end gpus with 2gb are scarce". Ever wondered why? It's no use, unless you game at resolutions over 2560x1600 which nobody with a laptop will do. So 1,5 gb or 2 gb just makes the cards more expensive without offering more performance, but obivously enoug people fall for it and think bigger is always better ;-) But anyway, even if the GTX 470 performs "only" just as good as the MR HD 5870 and costs up to 25% more, I'd still get it due to better driver support and other features.

BTW is there any way to retrieve information stored in that EVEREST build that presumedly has support for the GTX 470M? Shouldn't it be possible to extract the information regarding this card somehow?

At the time of the original post (08-05-2010) there was no news on Fudzilla.

 

That's a lot of speculation!

For a gaming laptop 1 GB of GDDR5 should be enough. However, if you use the GPU for computing (for which the 480M is designed) then 2 GB might make sense. I doubt however that people buy the 480M for computing.

 

I will buy my next laptop with a 480m in it for computing.

 

For computing you should go with the Quadro 5000M, but they made it a bit weaker than the GTX 480M (in terms of shader count)... but it has more features that are usefull if your into computing.

 

Let's suppose it works out that high end machines have:

460M SLI
470M SLI
480M SLI

What will folks choose?

 

The 460M or 470M.
But it all depends. If the 460M and 470M are going to have lower power consumption and lower heat emission (which everyone is hoping right now), then they are obviously the right choices.

Then again, no one ever knows what kind of ridiculous price nvidia is going to charge us for... Would be safe to bet at least $200 more than a 5870.

 

Then you are one of the few for which the 480M makes sense , even in terms of price.

 

470M, easily. GF104 is the golden goose.

 

Is there any speculation about the power consumption of 460M or 470M?

 

around 70-85W.

 

This Friday we will know more...

 

You mean ... "This Friday you will know more" cause I am sure you already know much more than us.

 

I'm sure of that, but at least the NDA included both GTX 460M and GTX 470M then... it would have sucked to just get information about the GTX 460M and to wait even longer for GTX 470M. It's about time Nvidia is stepping up anyway, in my opinion the GTX 460M will not perform that great and will still be more expensive than the Mobility Radeon HD 5870, so who would buy that card? The GTX 480M is way to expensive. The GTX 470M should hit the sweet spot. But well, enought speculation from me...

 

Good news if the GTX 470M is GF104 based. Maybe a 336 or 288 core part with clocks in the 450-600Mhz range.

 

Doubt it. 460m if anything will be a cut down GTX480m at lower clocks. Why would they make the 460m faster than the GTX480m? They might as well call it the GTX490m if that's the case.

 

I never claimed anything like that. Maybe the following typo confused you

GTX 460M is essentially the GTS 450, so a GF106 chip, so more "advanced" than the GTX 480M GF100 chip, not just cut down and lower clocked, the latter would make even less sense since the GTX 480M is already clocked redicously low. GTX 470M supposedly uses a GF104 chip, so the same chip the nice GTX 460 use. Anyway, I never said the GTX 460M will outperform the GTX 480M. I said with the right ammount of shaders (240 - 288) a GTX 470M could perform very close to the GTX 480M but with less heat and better price to performance ratio. Also the naming doesnt always represent the performance, especially with Nvidia. The GTX 460 256 bit performs better than the GTX 465 and overclocked performs equal to or slightly better than a GTX 470.

 

That's something you shouldn't get your hope too high for

 

Here is one little article on the new ones...

NVIDIA Announces GeForce 400M Series Notebook GPUS | Notebooks.com

 

I doubt that notebooks with 460M and 470M will actually have optimus though.

 

What do you mean? It's a fact that the GTX 460 is better than the GTX 465 and oc'ed performs practically as good as the GTX 470. So their naming scheme does not always make sense - that has nothing to do with hope.

Once again I'm not hoping that the GTX 470M will be performing better than the GTX 480M, if you meant that.

 

I think the NDA ninjas have struck. Article is gone.

I certainly am.

Unless Nvidia purposely gimps it, I don't see how we don't get a GTX 465 vs GTX 460 scenario.

 

They will have with the upcoming sandybridge cpus, because each of those cpus will have integrated GPU.

 

It should work regardless of SandyBridge. Current Optimus cards work with the integrated GPU of the Arrandale CPUs.

 

Well, it's pretty clear that the GTX 470M will not be the mobile version of the GTX 460. The GTX 460M will be the mobile version of the GTS 450. The GTX 470M will be the mobile version of the GTS 455. So it will not have the 334 cuda cores of the GTX 460, but the GTS 455 is expected to perform better than the HD 5770, so the GTX 470M will most likely outperform the Mobility Radeon HD 5870 albeit by a very small margin. I think Nvidia will bring the GTX 460 to notebooks eventually, but not with the GTX 470M.

 

i have a gtx 260m in my laptop and i thing to buy an ati 5870m.is it better to wait for gtx 460m or gtx 470m?going from gtx 260m to 5870m is worth?

 

I will upgrade my GPU as well. The GTX 480M is not an option, so I will wait and see how the GTX 470M performs and how much it costs and then I will decide. Don't know why people hype the GTX 460M so much, it will not perform that great, definitely worse than a Mobility Radeon HD 5870. If the GTX 470M performs better or equal to a MR HD 5870 I will chose that card due to better driver support and some features that I like. At this point I would definitelly wait, although you could wait forever with HD 6000er series just around the corner... in any case the MR HD 5870 is also a great card and a considerable leap from our GTX 260M.

 

Hmm I didn't know that the GTS 455 is GF104 based. Hopefully the specs of the 455 are released soon.

The mobile GTX 460 is the chip I'm holding out for, though I'll only give it until Feb/March to show up. Otherwise, I'll be forced to consider the 6800 series.

 

I meant that one can't always hope that their naming scheme doesn't make sense
But I do hope that.

 

Because there was a time when we never knew a 470m was ganna be launched with the 460m.
Recently we learned theres gonna be a 470m also.

I believe the 470m will be in between the 5870 and 480m and will have 2gb ddr5 with 256bit.
Priced correctly could be a winner.

Right now the best choice for gaming laptop is the x8100 with dual 5870. Depending on price, an x8100/x7200 with dual 470m might be a better choice.

 

I have my doubts that Optimus will be supported on the higher model cards. Optimus is a modified version of HybridSLi that uses the IGP's display controller to render images to the screen. In order to do that everything has to be copied from the discrete GPU (via CUDA Cores) to the system memory and then pushed through the IGP.

Faster GPUs, higher resolutions, and higher game settings means you'll have more data to copy to the system memory...which in turn means that you'll need a display controller on the IGP fast enough to keep getting it out of memory, and enough CUDA Cores available to do the copying. Just like how HybridSLi didn't work between the 9400M chipset and GPUs faster than the 9300M I could see there being a potential of bottlenecks and performance degradation that could prevent Optimus from working with high end Fermi cards.

Optimus might work out with the higher end cards but I'll remain cynical until I see it happen.

I've read that Nvidia may have stopped manufacturing new GF100 chips, so maybe.

 

Hard to get excited over anything from Nvidia's camp right now unless were talking about their desktop division. I think the 5870m was made too well. I don't see anyone wanting to upgrade from the 5870m for at least 2-3 years.

 

I think you might be wrong here.
The mobility 5870 radeon at stock speeds is between desktop 5750 and 5770, wich are similar in performance to the 4850, wich is a bit faster than my ex 9600gt.

Compared to what we have now in the desktop division the mobility radeon 5870, even if it is the high end on laptops, is somewhere in the middle compared to desktops.
2 of them come close, but are beneath a 5850 i might dare to say.

Having said that it is easy to see why this won't last that much. Because even the highest from today becomes the mainstream in 2 years, let alone the middle of today.

 

Too far man

 

there is a new article on engadget about the new cards

 

NVIDIA 400M: DX11 Top to Bottom Solutions Now Available - AnandTech :: Your Source for Hardware Analysis and News

http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-geforce-gtx-470m-us.html

http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-geforce-gtx-460m-us.html

 

288 cuda cores, very nice! So the difference between GTX 460 with 192 bit is "only" 1 SM, which means take the benchmarks of the GTX 460 with 758MB @ 675/1350 and multiply them by 0,857 and you pretty much have the performance of an overclocked GTX 470M which is still pretty good for a notebook card. Which means overclocked we will have a vantage P GPU score of ~ 9900. So GTX 470M and Mobility Radeon HD 5870 will be better after all (same site I took the GTX 460 benchmarks from listed the Radeon HD 5770 @ 850MHz with a P GPU score of 8400, in both cases the oc is pretty much 20%)... now we just have to find out the actual price. But the best news is probably that after this 288 shader GTX 470M it's just a small step to the real 334 shader GTX 485M, if Nvidia is smart they should bring it out at the end of this year or early 2011 otherwise AMDs 6000 series comes too close... Also the GTX 480M should be pretty much dead now, unless you seriously overvolt it, it should even perform worse than that oc'ed GTX 470M. Problem with the Mobility Radeon HD 5770 always was that Nvidia just ported a mid-range card, albeit a very good one, to notebooks. Nvidia at least tries to bring (lower) high end cards to the mobile world. Anyway, to port the HD 5830 would have been just as bad as porting the GTX 465 was and still is, and the HD 5850 is too strong at least until 32nm technology, so you cannot really blame AMD.

 

Ok, so i looked up the performance of a GTX 460 with 768mb (wich has 1350 shader, and 675 processor) in 3dmark 2006 and coupled with a 4ghz 980x, it scored 22353 points.
The desktop gtx 460m with 768mb has 336 cuda cores. Now the mobile 460m has 192 cuda cores and everything else seems to be the same (except for memory wich is 1.5gb)
Doing the math, the 460m should score, with the same cpu 12.773 points.
I say a score of 12.000 give or take a few points (given the mobile cpus) should be the performance of the 460m. On the same lvl i think with the 280m\285m.

Judging by these number i say the 470m might end up doing north of 14000 points, and with SLI, depending on drivers, past 20.000 points.

Clearly it will be better than the 5870.
To bad it will not have 2gb of ram like the 480m, but it will still have more than 1gb of the 5870.
Bottom line is 470m will be a dx11 1.5gb card with better performance than 5870.
Nvidia will have 2 better performing gpus than top of the line radeon gpu.

NOW, the only unkown is the price.

 

Rumours say that the TDP of the 470M is 75W including the PCB and that it performs slightly better than the M5870.

I am looking forward to see some benchmarks, but for now it looks really good!

 

According to Engadget, both 460M and 470M will have 1 GB DDR5 memory.