upcoming clevo laptops with skylake-X (HEDT)

don't know how many people are still waiting for it and would prefer 6-8 cores over traditional 4 cores K desktop version. a X edition over K along with two GPU would push performance towards the highest end, what are the chances we see this in an upcoming clevo laptop?

few things to note here is that, HEDT CPUs are always playing the catch up game, however as we all know how slowly CPU are improving lately in terms of IPC barely 3-5% per year, not to mention Intel will not have anything for enthusiasts until icelake which is early 2019.

- Kabylake has pretty much the same IPC as Skylake (Q1 2017)
- Cannonlake would be 10nm but only for ultrabook/tablet (Q1 2018)
- Coffeelake will stay on 14nm for high end desktop/laptop, mainstream 6 cores however again same IPC as kaby/skylake with little improvement, can be called 2nd optimization. (Q3 2018)
- Icelake will be to first 10nm and new architecture build but won't arrive until early 2019, so we are looking at no improvement from intel's end for years unless its iGP. (Q1 2019)

As shown above theres nothing really to catch up on, however Skylake-HEDT CPU on the other hand is a bit different, ontop of having more than just 4 cores, it also comes with turbo boost 3.0 and other new extensions which kabylake won't have.

it's rare to see that laptops are once again growing in size, back in the old days we had xps m2010 and HDX 9000 which opted 20.1" display and was thought won't happen ever again, now we got water cooling ASUS gx800, giant GT83VR laptop, and the upcoming Acer 21x.

can we get some opinions from resellers?

 

although highly interesting, im guessing this is WAY too early to give any info on. resellers barely started acknowledging kaby lake for laptops...

 

I would definitely buy, for the whole development team. Seems waiting for LGA2011-3 socket Clevo laptop release forever. Now if they can get skylake-X ready on the new laptop, that would be most exciting tech break-through in many years to come.

 

Probably not happening... But hey you can dream

 

skylake x would be a new socket, which changes mobo design would mean a brand new machine. giving on the time when it will be released Q2 or possibly Q3 2017 its been a while now since original p870DM came out.

there are few individuals already received skylake-X ES chips for validation purposes and no doubt overclocked them for the fun of it. would sure to love one of these in a laptop, definitely a strong win over all other competitor.

 

Clevo did i7-4960X laptops before and I'm still using it, still faster than any laptop on the planet. It should be easy for them to have the skylake-x laptops ready. However, some dumb guys on the top canceled the line. They only saw the short term view, doesn't have future sight. Hope someone will be smart enough to bring the real powerful laptop black.

 

I am glad you are still using the 4960x processor but those dumb guys at the top maybe saw the laptop line not selling much units and decided to cancel the line based on sales. They are a business and need to make money. They tried out a certain laptop line, didnt sell much unites so they decided to move onto different things.

If you are a businesses owner you would understand.

 

some of the reason it didn't sell was because HEDT CPU is always behind as when ivy bridge 3770k came out, 4960x of same architecture came out almost 1.5 years later, and people didn't want to buy old technology even though it was 6 cores.

however with skylake-X even though its 1yr old, it literally has the same performance as the new CPU kabylake and also cannonlake which is also the same technology. ontop of that skylake-X (HEDT) will have turbo boost 3.0 feature which is not available to mainstream consumer CPUs, so really wouldn't be a cpu thats behind, infact it should count as more advanced due to more cores.

 

here to confirm what I mentioned in my original post. 6 core main stream laptop in mid 2018. http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-...Notebook-CPUs-available-in-2018.185189.0.html

like I originally mentioned.. intel went from:
tick-tock (Nehalem-sandy)
then tick-tock-optimize (ivy-haswell-haswellrefresh)
now becomes tick-tock-optimize-optimize (broadwell-skylake-kabylake-coffeelake)

skylake architecture cpu performance would be very similar to coffeelake/cannonlake within only 3-5% ipc at most, until icelake comes along Q1 2019. but omg just imagine a cpu soldered BGA thats 6 cores rofl..

 

For LGA2011 socket laptop, I didn't know before I bought one from eBay about three years ago. From that time I started knowing Clevo desktop replacement laptop. It takes time for people to know especially for good product. If they produce new high-end CPU laptop, I would buy every year. Business decisions should be very careful especially when terminating a product line. Patience is most valuable thing in dealing business productions.

 

If they had fixed the PCMCIA sockets on those LGA2011 laptops we would have sold a lot more, as we had a lot of editors that wanted desktop replacements they could easily take on-site. We found that our editing input/output devices caused them to blue-screen so we couldn't use them, same devices worked fine on HP laptops.

 

I don't think there is any PCMCIA card slot on the LGA2011 laptops. My Clevo laptop has been running almost 16 hours daily since I bought it three years ago, and it's still the most powerful laptop in running the new Windows Server 2016 and Visual Studio 2017. What a feat! Clevo, get the new skylake-x laptops!

 

couldnt agree more, that skylake-X with 6+ cores in a laptop would blow everything away on the market. instead of simple quad core which is mediocre.

if reseller can chime in or share this thread with clevo and inform them would be great..

 

Sorry, I meant ExpressCard socket not PCMCIA.
The very first one we had in as a testing unit worked flawlessly with devices like the Matrox MX02 range, but everyone after that would Blue-screen if the Matrox device was plugged in and drivers installed no matter if you started up with the device already connected or plugged it in once inside Windows. Each time the UK distributor got in a new batch we would borrow one for testing and none of them worked, even though the initial one is still out there with a client and working with their MX02, and as usual Clevo weren't interested in trying to fix it.

 

Do you happen to know what the TDP of a Skylake-X would be? If what I'm reading is correct (140W), It would be a engineering feat keeping that beastie cool. I think the current cooling solutions for 95W TDP CPUs don't leave much headroom at the moment. Now, Kaby Lake-X is reported to have 112W TDP, so who knows.

Regardless, I too would LOVE to see LGA2066 in these next gen laptops!

 

Kaby Lake is reported to have 112W TDP ?

 

Not sure how accurate the statement is or which CPU package this will come out in, but...

"The surprising thing here is that the Kaby Lake-X SKUs will feature a 112W TDP on a 14nm node" - http://wccftech.com/intel-skylake-x-kaby-lake-x-platform-launch-2017/

 

thats kaby lake X though, not kaby lake....

 

yea kabylake X will be 112w but thats just intel's figure. i think they would try to up the clock frequency of kabylake X due to only having 4 cores so its no much different than 7700k kabylake except that it comes with few extra pcie lanes and quad channel memory.

while intel's high end HEDT has always been marked at 140w and p570wm was capable of cooling it if you had a great chip low voltage. no doubt skylake would run a bit cooler than ivy, though ivy ended up having just 6 cores unless one would go for 1680v2.

 

Yeah. That is what we're talking about here, correct? Skylake-X and Kaby Lake-X?

(Note, I fixed the typo in my OP. Wonder if that was causing confusion with @Papusan?)

 

Yeah. I was upset you know

 

A SKE (purley) based laptop would be nice. Whether it can offers what a desktop can is questionable.

 

Only a very select few would bother with such a machine. Not saying there is not market, just that it is very small. You are basically asking for a portable desktop.

 

arent most of us asking for just that here in the clevo corner?

 

Yes. Let's put the 'D' back into DTR!

 

A mainstream 6 core part would do a lot to mitigate the need for such a beast.

 

Neah, I just want a portable Clevo machine. Like my aging M570TU which is starting to show cracks in its second chassis. Just finished a game of Dota 2 on this machine. I can't believe that I am still gaming on this laptop after 8 years. I got it on the 3rd of December 2008.

 

That!
Why would Clevo make such a system at this point if we will have 6 cores in 'early' 2018...

 

thats the thing i would want to make it clear. it won't be early 2018, it more or so be around mid 2018 or Q3 2018 and might be near end of 2018 before it was designed into a laptop, by that point icelake would be out and would make this 6 core really look like an old technology as cofeelake is on 14nm, 2nd it would still have similar ipc like skylake which by that point would be 3 yrs old.

intel throwing 6 cores on coffeelake is because its outdated tech as 2nd phase of optimization and wish to rid of their remaining 14nm silicon. really if theres a zen laptop out in late 2017 we may as well go for that instead, if one would make a zen desktop cpu into a laptop it could come with 8core.

again theres other features skylake X would have, not sure if this mainstream 6 core would carry turbo boost 3.0, or extension like avx512 etc.

 

The reason is that most of Clevo users rather tech-savvy people, if Clevo release skylake-x laptops, I would use a high-end Xeon to run the system, I'm sure many people would do the same, like doing over-clocking is already a main theme in the gaming field. Clevo would lead a new trend. What you think? Please do recommend the skylake-x release

 

Xeons are locked and can't be overclocked in any reasonable fashion.

 

the lock can be removed by intel overnight, like the new i3-7350k. who would think the i3 cpu could be unlocked.

doesn't matter unlocked or not, with e5-2699v4, 22 cores and 44 threads, that would be truly a fun thing to try it on a laptop

 

theres always the E5 16*0 version thats unlocked. only issue i see is that intel will no longer have same socket for xeon and HEDT. HEDT or skylakeX going forward gonna be 2066 pins while xeon for hexa channel memory is 3400 pins+ so not compatible anymore.

so meaker, have u guys let clevo know yet?

 

So now you want a 3000 pin socket and a hex channel machine too

Fun yes, but not practical.

The experiment failed sadly with server processors in notebooks. Not enough people wanted it.

 

no brother, just HEDT is fine, 2066 as it can easily go to 10 core and overclockable.

 

We are planning to launch Skylake-X model in late 2017 with both Xeon and i7 CPUs. It will be EUROCOM specific model. Pass your ideas to [email protected]. Happy Thanksgiving.

 

dude you just made my day LOL

 

Thank you, Eurocom!

My laptop actually Eurocom branded, the best for sure. Cheers!

 

Wow, now that would be something truly amazing with 1080 SLI (or maybe something even more powerful by then).

 

They have unlocked Xeons.

 

skylake-X and skylake-Xeon wont be compatible anymore though, different pins and socket.
skylake-X would be enough it comes with 10 cores and overclokable.

 

I'm not understanding, can you explain?

 

so kabylake performance is out and its pretty much same as skylake except iGP. given kabylake will go for 1yr starting from now, and then another year for 14nm coffee lake, thats 2 yrs without any performance improvement.

its good to see we might be able to see skylake-X up to 10 cores in the next laptop along with new feature like turbo boost 3.0 and speedshift v2.

 

Two different sockets separating the lower and higher core count Xeon. 2066 and 3647 pins.

 

I know that part. The part about no unlocked Xeons is what I was talking about.

Edit: I see what happen.

 

This post is too important for the true desktop replacement laptops, keep it up. Thanks to Eurocom for promising to bring Xeon laptops back and expanding new technologies

 

for those who had p570wm or at least experienced it i'd say its just out right amazing to pack so much power into one machine. skylake-X with two 1080 or maybe 2080 when it comes out would blow literally everything away. none of those BGA 4ghz crappy 4 cores OC at already 85-90c but 8-10 cores at 4.4-4.5ghz instead.

best part is its upgradable and possibly uses same chipset when intel releases its cannonlake-X in the years to come.

 

Not in gaming usually, the mainstream platform usually offers better 1-4 thread performance.

 

thats because game developers need to utliize those extra cores with game codes. game would do a lot better if they are coded better, like most software usually uses only 1 thread, they need to be coded and use more. simple fault on the developer, unwasted cpu resources extension like avx or avx2 and using extra cores would make a huge difference in software performance.

 

Even so a gaming laptop at the moment is better served keeping the CPU mainstream and donating additional cooling to the GPU setup.