upcoming clevo laptops with skylake-X (HEDT)

yeah and a 6950X gets like 30-40% more then the 5960X does too. My physics are always 26-29k with it.

 

Will it use a new socket?

 

Z370 for Coffeelake, Z390 for Cannonlake.

 

This is the platform name. Aka Chipset.

Coffee Lake using LGA 1151 V2 socket.

 

i see woodzstack got some info, well i know 95% for sure coffeelake is coming but we now know its likely won't work in 870km, which is fine because the CPU heatsink in p870 isnt strong enough, especially with it's GPU heatsink designed that way.

@Papusan that z370 and z390 prob wont differ much at all tbh, and that lga 1151 v2 better last at least 2yrs so we can put cannonlake or tigerlake 10nm in it.

@Mr. Fox so 6cores 5ghz laptop coffeelake if clevo does it right, theres still a chance, only time will tell. this will replace my current laptop and i will also get a desktop because 18c vs 6c, i know which one i want more.

 

Intel changed to LGA 1151 V2 socket. And Intel will follow 2 versions of processors as normal. So Yeah, expect also support for their next cpu.

 

never know when intel pulls a fat one, always m!lk! like they say wont know until the fat lady sings and intel hasnt sang their song yet.

 

If there is one thing we can count on from Intel (or NVIDIA for that matter) is they will take whatever steps are necessary in their efforts to keep their products better than anything offered by AMD. In a way that is pretty cool, but you have to temper enthusiasm with the knowledge that there is not a gentleman's bone in their corporate body, and they are not afraid of stooping to using unethical and malicious maneuvers to dominate the industry and ensure their own success. For Intel and NVIDIA doing the right thing means looking out for number one.

 

I think Intel will use the same socket for two revisions if they don't change the PIN numbers. It will be damn many angry buyers if they need to change MB after only one cpu. Intel is greedy, but not completely idiots

 

Natrually - 10 Broadwell cores vs 8 Haswell cores. The delta should be at LEAST 30%. Else the 10-core would feel like a rip-off.

@Mr. Fox there is no doubt that for pure gaming, high clockspeed is important. Though there is something crucial that a lot of reviews point out that 3D Mark is incapable of showing. That is, that on Ryzen, when compared to the 7700K/7600K, you got noticeably better 0.1% and 1% lows meaning the overall game, while running at say 10-15fps less average, "feels" smoother to the human eye as frame time is improved due to it simply having more processing power to handle backend processes such as Windows, Browsers, Monitoring software, drivers and anything else that also runs on a PC. I have always said that benchmarking on a fresh install of Windows is a bit misleading since 99% of users have crap running in the background which WILL affect performance. Also do note that game developers are releasing patches each day to improve multi-core performance. For example, a few days ago RotTR dropped a patch that boosts performance on R5/R7 chips by up to 20%. That's no small gain when you consider that it basically closes the gap between Intel and AMD making both perform equally there. Same with AotS: Escalation and future Bethesda games. Same thing happened way back when Nahalem launched and HT was causing all sorts of issues.

In any case, when looking at true multi-core situations such as heavy rendering, video editing, compression and streaming, it becomes quite evident that Ryzen's performance is within 5% of that of the 5960X and 6900K. Just look at videos such as these.

 

amd came a long way to bring out ryzen we should be grateful. look at what they did to intel to bring out 18c unlocked CPU which intel was slowly adding 2 cores every 1.5-2 yrs or so suddenly added 8 cores ontop of that with a price drop PLUS cache rework, only competition can bring this.

on the other hand lets not forget most of the consumer software are not optimized for multi cores and clock speed definitely matters a lot at this point in time. If i want a snappy computer, then I must have 5ghz 6core intel over ryzen simply because of 6% higher IPC + higher frequency, if number of cores are efficient then quick/snappiness are all about higher frequency and ipc. pair that up with optane ssd and we'll have an unstoppable machine.

once i get a coffeelake laptop 6c assuming it can do 5ghz on all cores, this will likely be my last upgrade unless newer CPU is capable to do way more, like for example of at least 10%+ higher IPC and run cooler while capable of overclocking just as high. from that point on its all about hunting good software etc.

 

5GHz 6-core in a laptop is next to impossible unless it's a massive device. You see, even current 4-core Intel CPUs at 5GHz pull more power and generate more heat than their 3GHz 10-core CPU. Efficiency above 4GHz goes to **** VERY fast concurrently.

 

yea, we can really only hope to see a very well refined 14nm++ silicon, its hard but not impossible. if 6c 5ghz capable at 1.3v or lower with a decent sized heatsink or say 2 fans then definitely possible.

 

it did?
Wow! I never knew about it. Given a few things I buy it today

1. It must be roughly the same cost as P775DM. I just cannot afford much more.
2. It must have at least 4 sodimm slots. It should have a good quality touch pad with discrete button. It should have a fingerprint sensor.
3. connected to the processor and not the chipset it must have 2 m2 80 /110 slots, 1 10 GbE and preferably 1 QSFP. It must have dual thunderbolt & at least 4 USB 3.0.
4. Otherwise comparable to P775DM

 

Ummm.... would you please explain why 2 × 180 W can be cooled but not a 140w CPU.

 

Hello Desktop replacement anyone?

 

Also there is no i/o bottleneck
A samsung 960 1 TB can come close to saturating a 4 lane PCIe link. A raid 0 setup makes the most sense for large files--> sequential access. Thus clevo 750 DM & P775DM are capable of m2 RAID 0 but not with good drives.
And what about 10GbE?That also requires a 4 lane link on its lonesome. -- per port
And what about thunderbolt? That also requires a 4 lane link on its lonesome -- per port.

 

I visited your sites and got some quotes, even had an email discussion with your sales people (I was the who pointed out that P775 does not have 2 thunderbolt ports).
But HEDT type system was what I really wanted, so I've put off the purchase. Give me a shout when you introduce such a system. If I still have the money, I will definately purchase.

 

Yes, but not everybody is focused on gaming.

 

I'm with you and since intel announced an 18 core top model we might what we want.

 

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11464...ging-18core-hcc-silicon-to-consumers-for-1999

 

Rysen does not beat the 6950X, not by a long shot. Not even the 6900K which are years older then Rysen, sure much more expensive, but we also do not know the speeds this test was using on each CPU either. Who knows if they tuned thier systems as greatly as we here on NBR, we crazy hardware guru's do.

 

actually we will be there by end of the year.

 

LIES !

Gaming or nothing !

 

Don't expect miracles. Money doesn't beat physics

 

AMD has made massive improvements to their CPU products, for which we can all be very grateful. Maybe someday we will get lucky and see some similar evidence of competence from AMD where GPUs are concerned. Their continued existence was contingent upon it and I am glad they pulled it off. All of those things are nice and good. This is still not a product that provides any meaningful benefit to me and it will remain largely irrelevant to overclocking enthusiasts unless they can loosen up and give us a product that overclocks well and performs well. AMD basically did a 180° turn here. Before Ryzen they had a number of CPUs SKUs that overclocked like crazy but still ran like crap and produced results worthy of nothing but ridicule. They need to do both to get my money and since Ryzen doesn't seem to overclock worth a damn, I'm not interested in it at this point in time. If that changes, I am certainly open to switching brands if it is going to mean that I am gaining something by doing so. I am brand agnostic and no longer believe that practicing brand loyalty is an intelligent approach to technology. Brand no longer matters... only results matter. I will kick Intel or NVIDIA to the curb without batting an eye if AMD gives me something that is better... and, to be clear I mean better as defined on my terms and based on my measurements. It also bears pointing out that I am very harshly critical of Intel and NVIDIA and have no problem calling them out on their acts of blatant stupidity, customer-abuse, lies and treachery. They screw up often, and I'm eager to draw attention to their blunders. It's appropriate that I extend the same courtesy to AMD. Being brutally critical of their mistakes and fickleness where brand is concerned are highly recommended. They don't deserve to be cut any slack for mistakes and when they do stupid things on purpose they deserve to be crucified for them. Keeps them on their toes. Unfortunately, not enough consumers are this harsh, so they have become way too lazy.

Nah, gaming schmaming... if you do everything else right and have a wicked monsterbook where no corners are cut and the focus is on delivery of consistently extreme performance capabilities, superior thermal management and robust configuration options, then gaming prowess takes care of itself automatically. When the focus is primarily on gaming, then too many mistakes are made, lots of important stuff gets overlooked or just swept under the carpet in hopes that nobody will notice.

Indeed. I had one and it was pretty darned amazing. Loved it, in fact. I don't have it now only because 980M SLI was as far as I could take it. Had it been able to accommodate 1080 SLI I would still have it. Look at the physics scores on these runs. I hope Clevo releases a modern equivalent of this with 1080 SLI (or better) graphics system.

Spoiler: EUROCOM PANTHER - 4960X / 980M SLI BEAST

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/11115261

http://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/5430375

 

See the confirmation on the list intel released. 18 core specifications are
TBD
TBD
TBD
TBD
TBD
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they have been forced to react by ryzen and specially Threadripper. They were and are not ready yet.

 

@Mr. Fox Agreed, it all comes down to the individual and their needs.

 

@woodzstack @don_svetlio i'd say ryzen does well even against broadwell 6900k, in multi threading of course when processes /cores are fully loaded and no inter exchange between ccx which will benefit ryzen way more due to the latency issue.

regardless, ryzen's ipc is just above haswell which is like 2-3% within broadwell, if they put an 8 core cpu at 4ghz in it, it already beats 1680v2 8 cores at 4.2ghz inside p570wm.

i'll be just sitting infront of my computer and browser to siliconvalley and spam F5 until i see a 6c 5ghz coffeelake for a decent voltage lolol. its definitely doable!

 

Indeed, the only reason I'm not interested in overclocking is that for the past 2 months peak daytime tempratures have been over 45°C that 113°F. And we have daily power cuts. Though our backup can run a 500 W laptop all day, it can't run an AC. and I want my system to run at my room tempratures. I actually plan to under volt it.

 

There were a few latency tests about the CCX thing on Youtube focused around a 2/2 config vs a 4/0 (2CCXs with 2 cores vs 1 with 4 cores) - I can't remember who did the test but the conclusion was that the CCX latency issue turned out to be mostly myth. I think it may have been HWU's channel, not sure though.

 

6950X stays at 39-40C during most applications, max while gaming or streaming 50C, but it's only at 4.5Ghz all 10 cores/20 threads.

 

Yeah I caught that as well, sent off a mail to the local asus people -- I think they have activated their spam filter for my mails-- asking about nasty, disgusting things like quad core and more processors in a laptop
Good Hindu boys don't do that.

 

The word you are looking for is latency. And that depends on the slowest system in the chain. If you are trying to stream 8k from your NAS over a 10 mbit LAN, a 10 GHz processor with 8 GTX1080 in SLI will not help.

 

Yeah but what is your room temperature. It's the temprature delta that is more meaningful.

 

yes thats right!

i saw the video. thing with direct latency test within each core module they can get core latency and response time however thats never the most accurate way to test real world performance which is why it turns out not much different. when a core is fed with info from ram to L3 then L2/L1 etc theres way more stuff involved, then cpu also have to return those data info back etc, thus making it even less of a difference.

another major thing that affect performance heavily is the software. cinebench and handbrake used to test ryzen by AMD, these softwares dont thread shuffle (donno if thats the right term to call it) but as im trying to imply is that, if data is not shuffled within different threads and stay within the same CCX, we basically have ryzen top even intel because within the same CCX, its latency is half of that intel's core latency as per shown by pcper test.

when gaming and other application is a total different story however which we see it being affected a lot more. CCX fabric latency affects a bit, ontop of that game software itself isnt optimized for ryzen cpu or the advance cache design, which made it even worse in gaming and that was at launch, its now much better though.

 

True, ultimately it depends on what applications you use. One man's meat is another man's poison. Old saying.
Mine are either browsing --- with >20 threads open and using 3 to 5 of them actively. Office work with again multiple apps open concurrently, and hashing / crypto. For lighter browsing and office work (like now) I use my galaxy note 3.
And it is the waiting times that make a computer seem slow.