x7200 Benchmark thread

people have been asking so I hope that this can assist them.

Please post your GPU setup since it seems to be what most people are curious about especialy with the 485m and 6970m

the most common measurement would be 3DMarkVantage. as 3DMark11 isn't optimized for SLI without work

if posting scores, please post link to your scores via 3dmark.com and or photo link.

in addition please post your GPU score which is the most important if comparing GPU. overall scores will vary with PsyX on and different processors. so please post your GPU scores.

I'll start, and My scores and setup are in my signature.

Thanks!

 

Very nice!

I will post mine in a few weeks when my rig arrives. I will have 6970s in Crossfire, so I am curious how the two will stack up.

 

Below is a very recent Sager test result...

 

I'll post mine as well with the 470M SLI when it arrives in a few weeks. It'll be interesting to see how it stacks up against the 6970 Crossfire with up-to-date drivers.

 

Hello,

ok, here we go - for all who don´t know:
The scores are from X7200 with Engineering Samples CF 6970m.
Get my replacement soon and will post the difference - what will be interesting, too!

Here are some Benches done with 11.2 (most of them) and CPU I7 960:

3DMark06

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3DMarkVantage

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3DMark11

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Cinebench 11.5

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Unigine Heaven

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Passmark:

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PCMark:

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Crysis-Full settings with AA/ No AA:

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Lost Planet 2 DX11 Settings/ Test 1+2:

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Dirt 2:

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GTA IV:

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Just Cause 2:

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Mafia 2:

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Metro DX10/11:

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And at last: Slightly Overclock with 710/ 920 and with Beta 11.4:

3DMarkVantage

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3DMark11

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Nice benches, those 6970's are impressive!

 

Below is my first 3DMark 11 with the new 267.76. I think the 485M's will do better. Thanks scook9!


http://3dmark.com/3dm11/901247;jsessionid=52DEA99AC32B2080D96DD6D1EA6AE96A?show_ads=true&page=%2F3dm11%2F901247%3Fkey%3DbLx7SVRv3ELpJ67Y0X2uVdMqa6UfFm

 

Ok, heres my rig:
i7-950
12GB 1600 DDR3
2 x GTX485m
NO OC

3DMark Vantage
Score: 21483
Linky: Result

3DMark 06
Score: 19601
Linky: Result

3DMark 11
Score: 5357
Linky: Result

 

That's kind of depressing. I thought the 6970's were supposed to be at least as powerful as the 485's.

 

so what cap type of 485m you guys have??

 

Here is the best pics I have of the 485M's...

 

Maybe I am missing something, but from the two sets of benchs posted in this thread, they look pretty comparable. The rig with the 485s has more ram, the rig with the 6970s has a slightly bigger CPU. And all of the 3D Mark scores look to be within about 5% of each other... Its possible I am reading something wrong though - I havent benched in a long time.

Honestly, even if the 6970s are 10-15% slower, considering they cost about half of the 485s, I would say it is a pretty healthy competition. Nice cards for all budgets.

 

First of all we have to remember: My cards (6970m) are only "ES", the cards probably have a proprietary vBios, maybe the X7200, too.
From what I´ve seen so far from here and from the owners lounge:
The 485m at stock clocks are better at 3dmark Vantage- about 1000 points graphic score. The 6970m seems a little bit better at 3dmark 11, though.
And the 485m seems to be a real good overclocker. To tell the truth, my cards aren´t... with AMD overdrive I can push it from 680 to 710 and that is at no time a problem, but the memory never goes above 925, I´ll get crashes if I do 930 oder more.
And what I recognized, too: The 485m have higher FPS in most cases, but the lowest FPS was not higher than the lowest of 6970m (at stock).
Time will tell more- the new Beta driver 11.4 seem to be very good and show some improvement!
For now I would say, you can nearly every game max out on both cards... (I think Metro 2033 have some bad FPS maxed out as the benches are showing...).

 

with this driver and 485m do fn+f8,f9 work??

 

At this point, the only way to OC the 6970s is through editing the VBIOS. When I did, it showed to be a very good overclocker (can easily hit 850mhz core and 1100mhz memory). Other guys have gotten it to those clocks too. I could only do a full benchmark run at lower clocks probably due to the TDP limitations in my machine when at 850/1100.

Also, I hear the nVidia 270.xx drivers are supposed to show as much improvement as the 11.4 beta drivers too. Good to see both companies taking driver support a bit more seriously.

 

Thanks for the info!
Will try that as soon as I get my replacement - today I shipped the X7200 back to Hawkforce to get the new one...
Have to look for some info on vBios flashing on ATI cards, though, I did it a dozen times with nVidia cards, but never ATI. And am curious on how to flash SLI/ CF cards...

 

I guess I was just hoping for a little bit more, especially since the 6970 was being hyped up for so long. My rigs 2 years old and that's only about a 100% increase from what I'm running. I was thinking about upgrading, but $3000 for only double the performance doesn't seem worth it yet, I might have to postpone until the 5xx series gets released.

 

OK...here are my scores, links to the online are in my sig

Please note all stock, no over clocking done.

 

Was banging my head trying to figure out your cards score, there OC'd right ? I dont feel so bad now, mine are stock

 

Its interesting with 3DMark11 how litte difference the CPU makes

 

Yes the core was bumped to a cool, comfortable, 705...

 

Result


Modified 267.76: Big increase compared to Clevo's 266.40

 

Does anyone else have a bench to post with the 267.76 driver?

 

The x7200s aren't really gaming rigs, right? I mean, they'd be gaming rigs if you also had to multitask your pants off at the same time.

The SLI makes me think they are...but why the hexcore processors?

 

Interesting conclusion on Tomshardware...

 

Considering that those 6970M benchmark were from a driver set BEFORE 11.4 Catalysts, it makes the whole "nvidia returns" claim moot. Tom's should re-run the 6970M Xfire benchmarks with Catalyst 11.4 and then see how the 485M SLi stacks up--I have a feeling the difference would shrink to a mere few % points.

 

I keep running Vantage but I don't get an overall mark. What could be the problem?

 

The x7200 not a gaming rig? It is if you order that configuration. Me, I couldn't care less about DirectX, 3DMarks, CF, or SLI. I'd like to prefer the x7200 to a software compiler / virtual machine work horse! Hexcores - FTW.

Long story short, the x7200 can be what you want it to be. Which, I guess is the whole purpose of a DTR.

 

Well, not only that, but the way the review is written, it makes it appear that the 485 build is cheaper to a 6970 build. In fact, it is not. There is no question the 485s are probably faster, but they are NOT cheaper. I really hate that kind of misleading, or sloppy, reviewing. I am sure the guy probably didnt mean it. Perhaps he will fix the review. Here is the comment I made in the article:

I agree with above poster. Comparing the Eurocom price to that AVADirect price is misleading. For some reason, Eurocom is silly expensive. If you compare two identical AVADirect builds with the only difference being the type of GPU, the dual 6970 build is more than 700 cheaper. Not that I am a fanboi of either graphics card - I own both makes, but you should compare apples to apples. As written, it appears that 485s are cheaper than 6970s when they are not. In fact, the 6970s are about half as much. Please update review.

 

I suppose you are right, it is a workstation, but it's just weird to see it touted as a gaming rig (using gaming graphics rather than workstation graphics).

I am in serious need of a virtual machine capable rig. I can't decide if I should get the i5-2500 and a 460 in a mini-ITX box and an inspiron 15 or an 8130...

 

I don't know. The mobile DTR idea has been around for quite some time now. FWIW, I'm on my 3rd generation Clevo (2 Sagers / 1 Clevo). And its design perfectly suits me as a software developer.

In any case, I've become accustomed to desktop like components sitting in a mobile device, and am use to the hype and excitement when young gamers get their hands on a portable configuration they had no idea even existed.

 

That's all well and good, but at 3-4 times the regular price of a better configured desktop, it's a bit of a niche market, IMO.

 

To his credit, he changed the review to make it clearer. It appears he wrote the review one month ago, and it wasnt published until today. Prices have changed since then.

And man, talk about Eurocom's prices...

 

Yes, but it is a market nonetheless. There are a lot of telecommuters, like myself, in the tech industry in which DTRs are just part of the cost of doing business. This machine is also good for the gamer who wants more mobility than a high end gaming rig.

In regards to 3-4X the price, that's an overstatement. My water-cooled, sli, home machine cost about 25% less than the x7200 configured in my sig.

In the end, that's the beauty of free markets. If you don't agree or need a certain piece of hardware, then don't buy it. But if there are people with a need, the hardware vendors are working to meet that need - otherwise something like the x7200 wouldn't exist.

I just noticed in an earlier post you mentioned virtual machines. For work, I may need to run about 4-5 different guest OSs at any given time - Linux, XP, Vista, and Win7 for unit testing. I have no idea what your needs are, but a hexcore w/ 12GB is almost a requirement on what I need for development. By being able to assign certain VMs to certain cores, and having plenty of memory to go around, I felt the x7200 was the best choice out of today's laptop offerings.

 

Hello there,

got my X7200 back from Hawkforce a couple of days ago...
New motherboard and "non-ES" cards . And the laptop starts on battery finally .
Now, 2 and a half months later, I finally got the system I ordered - and now I would pay 500€ less if I ordered the same config, but no way - Hawkforce said the whole thing cost him everything and he could only give me 50€.
So: NEVER EVER will I buy from Hawkforce, and of course Eurocom again!

So, here are a couple of Benchmarks with new 6970m CF for comparison:

3DMark06, no matter if 11.2/ 11.3/ Preview 11.4, nearly always the same points: (even if I overclock!):

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3DMark Vantage - some difference using 11.2/ 11.3 / Preview 11.4 -> 11.4 will lead to the best result. Problems with OC only with Vantage: Even with 710/930 overclocking through flashing (both cards) it always crashes at the second test "new calico". 3DMark06/11 and games don´t crash expect they would crash too without oc :

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3DMark11 without OC, best result with Preview 11.4:

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With a little OC, 750/950:

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I know it´s a Benchmark thread, but since I don´t want to post here and there all over, I go ahead with what I experienced so far:
No problems with Crossfire and all drivers 11.2-4 with the following games:
Dirt 2, Mafia 2, BBC 2, NFS Hot Pursuit, FIFA 11, Panzers: Cold War, Unreal Tournament 3, Portal 2, Crysis 1, Metro 2033 and some others.

Problems with Star Wars Force Unleashed 2 with crossfire: Sometimes it crashes with BSOD, after that I can´t load the last game.
BUT with only one card, I can play it without problems so far, even if it crashed before with crossfire... Tried Patch 1.1, no progress. It doesn´t matter which driver is installed, too.

Problems with Crysis 2: Flickering at the sky and some other bright points, sometimes more, sometimes less. NO FLICKERING without crossfire. Tried all driver versions. If I get BIG flickering, some other games have crashes after that, until I restart the computer...

Problems with C&C Kanes Wrath with 11.4: When turning on "AA" no matter what level, the map will get VERY bright, so you can´t see anything. I guess that´s some bug in the preview, because no such problemes with 11.2/11.3

Problems with Red Alert 3: Blue Screens! A lot! No matter what driver, no matter if CF or not! If I lower the settings, the BSOD may be later, but most of the time I get one before finishing!

And at last: Problems with Shift 2 unleashed: After the intro and the first race is over, I always get a crash. No matter what driver etc. Runs great on my M571TU with GTX 280m, but not with AMD...

Conclusion so far: Sorry to all AMD Fans, but there is really a great difference between AMD cards and nVidia cards for me. Never had that much problems with nVidia cards before, all right, never had SLI, but I can´t imagine that they have that kind of problems.... AMD better solves the problems soon...

 

Did you try the the latest 11.4 driver?

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/571199-amd-catalyst-11-4-8-841-april-5-win7-vista.html

Cryisis 2 also has flickering on my 470M SLi. Crytek is the one at fault here.

 

Yep, did try all drivers from 11.2 - 11.4 (early Preview and the April 5, too)...
Strange thing: Sometimes its more, sometimes it´s less flickering...

 

I get flickering whenever I'm moving or when zooming in and out. Its really annoying because my other card is only being used as a physix card.

 

I'm pretty sure that the X7200 has a new motherboard revision to add support for the 6970 cards. I guarantee the first board you had with the ES cards from Eurocom was the older revision and therefore didn't have proper support for the AMD GPUs. It may be worth your while checking with Hawkforce to make sure that the motherboard Eurocom replaced is definitely the new version with proper support and compatibility with the 6970 cards.

If they replaced your board with one of the older revisions then it could well explain the issues you are having, especially when X-Fire is enabled.

 

Well, that is interesting; maybe some resellers can say anything about that?
Does other 6970m users, especially X7200, experience the same problems?

Hm, but the mainboard was changed by "Golden Star" in Germany, which is Clevo Germany - I would think that they would have known that, and the 6970m were already in the machine...

 

Well hopefully they did know that - suppose it depends on why they swapped the board out. Golden Star is not actually the same as Clevo btw, they aren't the same company but a "Contract Service Centre" as described on the Clevo website.

 

i upgraded to 485m sli and happy now

980x turbo boost 133*31 4.13g
485m 730/1600
breakthrough 30K


btw i got crysis 2 flickering just when alcatraz dying

 

Congrats! Great OC... maybe you could try 3DMark11, too?

Ok, solved the Red Alert 3 crash: Don´t know why, it only happens with 1920x 1080. Tried 1600x 900, highest details/ AA, no crash anymore. Can live with that . Don´t play it often, sometimes LAN with a friend, so doesn´t really matter.
SW Force Unleashed HAS bugs with Crossfire I read, so that´s no surprise.
And Shift 2 Unleashed, too... but without CCC and with the DELL vBios version I didn´t get any crash til now ...

Plus, without CCC I get a little better scores in Benches .

So here we go, Stock 3DMark11 new:

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OC 800/100:

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Vantage Stock new:

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Finally over 21k points - the GPU Score...

Ain´t there anyone with Crossfire 6970m, too?

EDIT added OC Vantage
Vantage Stock oc:

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485m slower then 6970m in 3dm11......maybe nvidia have not do some trick in driver yet

 

I have a 990x with Xfire 6970s ordered, but it still hasn't come in yet.

Thanks for posting your benches!

 

x7200 came in today finally.

Ok, so the AMD 11.4 official driver is out now, but I cant seem to get it to work on mine. Its been years since I owned an AMD card - any tricks I should know about? I did the old, unintall, reboot, install new driver. The new CCC shows up, but doesnt detect my cards... Any suggestions?

AMD Catalyst? 11.4 Release Notes

Tirenz, I ran some quick benches with whatever driver mine was shipped with, and I am getting just slightly better scores than you, but that is probably due to processor. Once I have the driver updated, I will try to post some proper results...

 

Hey Thom293,

great to read that you finally got it!
You should get better results, the best in 3DMark06, which is very CPU demanding...

When you have time, I am curious about what vBios you have on your 6970m, too.

Strange about 11.4 - didn´t have any problems installing them.
Hope you get it to work. Did you download the "mobility package"?

 

Do you have the latest BIOS?

 

Not sure. I only got to mess around with it a little last night. I will check when I get home. I am still not sure how I fubar the driver upgrade. Here is the link I used:

http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/windows/Pages/radeonmob_win7-64.aspx

I did have time to take a screen for Tirenz. Honestly, its been a few years since I built and OC my last computer (and I have never done so for a notebook), so I am a bit rusty on the specifics. It may take me a while to get my feet back under me.



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Here is the thread where you can find the latest BIOS/EC for the X7200

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/416916-clevo-bios-thread.html