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Then they would still be at fault for cutting corners with crappy components. The components should be spec'd to handle more than what can be dished out. The price we pay for these beasts they should have every single component of premium quality, same as buying a high end MSI or ASUS Rampage desktop board. Using VRMs, capacitors and MOSFETs that cannot handle more than what the CPU and/or GPU(s) can demand when pushed to the edge of their functional limits would be an unacceptable shortcut. That shady practice is what gives expensive laptops a bad name. Desktop enthusiasts would not put up with that from their favored motherboard manufacturers and neither should we.

 

That I completely agree with.
I'm sure the actual production cost is no where close to what we get charged for the finished product.

 

That's cool if you didn't want someone else to look at your machine.

There is also a big difference there. They have world recognized over clockers testing and helping improve their high end boards, while not so much on laptop's.... It's more of a throw it together and hope for the best scenario here.

 

Yup, you're totally right about that. But, no harm in being a copy-cat. Monkey see, monkey do... works in other things, so that could work here, too.

 

People do this without going extreme.

Other news...

So it looks like 4 8gb ripjaws will not boot factory at 16-18-18-43....for now. Still working on it.

 

I'm inclined to agree here. Even if by default mobile hardware costs more due to the more compact design, mobile motherboards are easily more expensive than (and are a similar size to) decent enthusiast-level desktop mainboards, and all the hardware we have is much more expensive and works far worse on the whole.

It's one thing if OEMs want to cripple their own systems. The bad binning on intel mobile chips and extremely slow clockspeeds, the throttle-prone basic vBIOSes on mobile GPUs, the power limits and suck-from-battery designs of certain notebooks like MSIs, etc? That shouldn't be a thing. $1200 GPU? It best work perfectly. $378 soldered 3.1GHz 4-core load locked i7 CPU with less L3 cache? It best be using 0.9v and producing less heat than a supermodel in a bikini.

 

Pump the brakes! My desktop board still cost more than my laptop Socket ed board, but now my G752VS laptop board may cost a bit more.

 

So, to chime in on the recent discussion whether capping firmware is right, we have to remember that we are taking our laptops far beyond what Clevo ever envisioned. They test with stock pads and paste, non-delidded chips, etc. They get an average of what can be done, then gimp it thinking that others will not do much better than them. We come along with ACs, delidding, etc., and blow what they thought was possible out of the water. @Johnksss@iBUYPOWER brings up a great point of motherboard manufacturers bringing in world class OCers to push hardware and set things up (or their in-house OC sponsored team). Now, Clevo adopted some of Prema's design for the firmware this round. What they need is to hire @Prema to do the firmware (have to give the shout out) and get a portable AC and delid a CPU when designing the firmware (and cooling) to hone what they make (or pick a person from the forums here that OC well and send a test unit during the design period, subject to all NDAs, so that they can have one of the best laptop OCers helping on it, even if they choose someone that works for a re-seller or distributor so that it is easier to enforce NDAs, etc. (looking at @Meaker@Sager and @Johnksss@iBUYPOWER on that part))... But, it comes down, often, to the LCD on users, unfortunately...

Edit: LCD=Lowest Common Denominator

Meanwhile, made it to the top 200 in the US today...

 

@ajc9988 Congratz!

 

Thanks! Benching at 51/48 today got me there. Just a shame that my 980 Ti Classified runs about 75C already and would cost $250 to hybrid it properly (Kraken G10, TT Water 3.0U push/pull, new thermal pads, and some heatsinks to stick on the heatplate for VRM and Vram, edit: and a new high powered 92mm fan for the G10).

 

More on 7700K ( @Papusan may want to look at these). Bit-Tech said this isn't their full review, but a taste (considering the Tom's Hardware release). Then a little news on LN2 on this chip...

Bit-Tech: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2016/12/05/core-i7-7700k-performance-overclock-preview/1

LN2: http://wccftech.com/intel-core-i7-7700k-core-i5-7600k-overclock/

 

I have seen it From the review "but there is a glimmer of hope here that we may be dealing with a rather decent overclocker when it comes to Kaby Lake" Will put it in my Kaby lake post in this thread.
As well see this also http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015...76700k_ipc_overclocking_review/7#.WEtwihvhCUl

 

Did you notice the final note on the ln2 article? The PCB is thicker on Kaby Lake than skylake!

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250 dollars? Where Beverly Hills?
Better just get one of these and a nice fan.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/EVGA-HYBRID...453422?hash=item1c76fe2cee:g:SiUAAOSwiONYO5Uo
If you would have did like I did.... I bought 2 of them when they were 49.99 each new. Now that the 10 series are out they skyrocketed the price again.

That's all you need to improve your scores. I already did this with a 980 TI Classified and it did perfectly fine.
http://hwbot.org/submission/3256295_johnksss_catzilla___720p_geforce_gtx_980_ti_43574_marks

 

Perhaps because of past criticism

BTW Please post all findings about Kaby LAKE in my new thread http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/kaby-lake-i7-7700k-findings-not-for-fcbga-aka-bga.799156/ Not for FCBGA aka BGA!!

 

I do like the look of that better, but for the price they have shot up to, the core parts of my build could be had ($120 for TT Water 3.0 U: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ..._re=water_3.0_ultimate-_-35-106-241-_-Product ; $30 Kraken G10: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...46038&cm_re=kraken_g10-_-35-146-038-_-Product). Redoing the thermal pads or switching out that fan for a higher cfm would just be for peace of mind (same with heatsinks attached to the heatspreader on the VRM and VRam). Now that I see what can be done with less, I'm realizing that would be insane overkill (considering that is the equivalent of what I have on my CPU, but would have 6x100CFM stock fans instead of Noctua iPPC 3000 fans)... Aside from the AIO and the blower fan, did the hybrid kit have any heatpipes or fins attached to the heatplate?

 

I think you are over thinking this one my friend....
4 screws and the heat sink is off. 4 screws and the water block is on.
You can run a push pull with high cfm fans. And another fan just to cool the board heat sink.

Your solution is for a cpu and not gpu so it requires you to take the whole card apart and start modding things.

Edit: Sorry Forgot, that block fits on the 980 TI, but wont fit any 10 series cards the easy way, should you decide to upgrade
Edit: NVM He hacked the screw stands to make it fit.



I was thinking you were going to have to do this...


The 1080...

 

I always overthink things (it's a curse). The Kraken G10 is just a sleeve that allows you to attach a CPU AIO to a GPU. You don't use the thumb screws with the CPU kit, you remove the heatsink assembly, because of the Ti Classified's design, this takes a 25mmx25mmx1-1.2mm copper shim between the GPU and coldplate (has to do with the placement of the screws around the die that will prevent contact without a shim on that specific GPU). Instead, the head sticks right into the G10 sleeve just like it would for it's own ring. Then, you have a backplate and the G10 screws coming from the back that go into holes on the sleeve then tighten with thumb screws on the front side of the card.

Sorry, just looked at the video. You can ignore my entire post now as irrelevant! You know what I'm saying already then. The TT Water 3.0 series is on the G10 webpage as a compatible cooler (just the ultimate is serious overkill)... Here is another video that explains it well:



Edit:

Compatibility - AIO Liquid Coolers
NZXT : Kraken X61, Kraken X41, Kraken X31, Kraken X60, Kraken X40
Corsair : H105, H110, H90, H75, H55 , H50 (CW-9060006-WW only)
Antec : KUHLER H2O 920V4, KUHLER H2O 620V4, KUHLER H2O 920, KUHLER H2O 620
Thermaltake : Water 3.0 Extreme, Water 3.0 Pro, Water 3.0 Performer, Water 2.0 Extreme, Water 2.0 Pro, Water 2.0 Performer
Zalman : LQ-320, LQ-315, LQ-310

 

Was talking about the face of the water cooler only. It's to big to be countersunk in to fit. This is why the EVGA was a better fit. No shims. Direct contact. Then Add a fan for the board and done.

I'm still trying to see how he direct fit that on the gpu die if the guy in your video has the same exact setup.

Edit: Nevermind. I see what he didn't mention was the part about him hacking up the 4 standoffs that the shim would save.

 

Doing the shim allows for the extra cooling of a 360, but, once again, it is starting to seem like overkill (even though it can be done). Then just use an 8-way PWM splitter w/ external power connector plugged to the card and you have a ridiculous beast.

 

Well let me know if it allows you to over clock past 1.65 ghz.

Edit:
No matter your choice, it will still be fun though!

 

Would be pointless since it is not caused by bad settings in sw...

 

I have heard that quite a lot over the years.... And it doesn't seem to always be the case, but all good though. Carry on. Hope it gets worked out in the end.

 

New factory version of the EC for the P870DM2/3. This is version 1.05.08G . Link
Load this on your dos usb flash drive in the root directory. Run the flashme file and it will flash your EC.
Be sure to unplug your power and then plug it back in after for the EC to take on the new changes.

 

I have made some videos regarding my issue.

Factory settings (1.062 V)



GPU 0.975 V


GPU 0.950 V


As you can see, there is power throttle in all 3 videos, however with undervolting I can lower the "damage" and core clock drops will be less aggressive...but when it happens it will drop more than 100 mhz.

Drop to 1709 Mhz (1683 mhz without UV) is just so sad (even if its just for a second)

Scene where the highest core clock occurs is the scene where Time Spy tries to draw more power (desktop VGA has power at 50-80%, but at that scene where the laptop vga throttles the power draw of desktop vga goes up to 95%).
So the throttle (and microstuttering) is definitely caused by bad BIOS/EC/vBIOS which has PWR throttle implemented.

I wonder if the GTX 1080 in MSI or ASUS laptop is better or it is the same garbage as Clevo ...

 

Have you noticed any differences with this EC with regards to throttling and fan behavior? Does the G stand for anything?

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the temps good for 4.6ghz?

 

They seem fine. Don't forget to run a Fire Strike test and check the CPU frequency line for throttling.

 

I definitely will. It just may be a month or two before I try it... If it does work, might be a worthy setup for 1080 and the built in throttle... LOL

 

Yeah, those temps are really good.

 

What Time Spy graphics score do you guys get with default GTX 1080 ? I get between 6800-6900 which seems to be lower than before.

 

There is no throttling and fan behavior is more aggressive when you have CCC installed.(Throttling as defined in real throttling)

Edit: G was just a naming scheme. That's it.

 

Not even PWR Throttling by the VGA ?

 

Don't really know what your definition of that is.....

 

A noob question.. the prema bios Will include a modded EC as well or Just use the stock one? Because if it's the stock one i might have to find the old EC versión that some users said it has better fan behavior.

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Here's something to ponder... The moral to the story is, " Pay attention to details before drawing any conclusions."

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/11047304/fs/11047179/fs/11047154



@Papusan - The million dollar question for our friends at Futuremark is, "Do you think we can or should trust Fire Strike results?"
Or, maybe we should all just have fun watching the pretty benchmark run with BGA turdbooks and ignore the scores?
After all, everyone gets a trophy for participation, right?

 

When we used to play in the school soccer championships last place team would literally get a wooden spoon. Think we can get back to those days again?

 

Sadly, the days when there was a clear line of demarcation between good and evil, when right was right, wrong was wrong, doing what made sense was the best approach, rewards were earned, success and goodness were exalted, and wrongdoing was punished, are really over. We live in an " enlightened" society now, where every measurement is subjective and subject to manipulation, and deception is accepted as the status quo. Fortunately, some of us are still smart enough to know how identify the difference between winners and losers without allowing popularity and political correctness to get in our way.

 

We live in an era where product development is all about monetisation and the actual product is the afterthought and is only good enough to prevent people asking for their money money back

Even your recent election was all about the sale and not the substance

 

Yes. It will include an EC file as well.

I think it's more of the CCC that is the contributing factor to the fan behavior this time round. The EC was more power throttling cards and cpu due to not enough current allowed.

 

You know my answer Fox Look in pm.

 

Very interesting find! +rep

 

My delid kit will arrive tomorrow. I will delid the 6700K CPU and also change the thermal pads shown here:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...tman-3-0-lounge.794538/page-148#post-10359632

To Thermal Grizzly Minus Pad 8 pads...I wonder if it will have any affect on the PWR throttle (but I am guessing only a Prema BIOS/vBIOS can fix that).

@ Johnksss@iBUYPOWER : I mean does your core clock drop when your power limit is reached ? For me 95% seems the absolute max. I can stabilize it with VGA undervolt, however when I reach 95% the core clock will drop no matter what. Without UV the core clock will throttle even under 95%. Would be possible to increase this limit in MSI Afterburner, however the slider is locked with the default vBIOS :/

tl;dr: When I have UV the clock is mostly stable, however when Time Spy tries to draw 95% power, it will throttle...

 

Clevo p775dm3g , i7 6700k with gtx 1080,,very low puntuation

Any idea ?

 

@Mr. Fox

 

That looks good if it's a stock score, unless I am misunderstanding what you are asking.

 

\\That is a very good score, why do you feel it would be low?

The other scores you see here are mostly for P870 which has 2 GPUs inside.

 

Nothing spesh.. just a starting point. 4.5Gghz on a throttly CPU and stock GPU

Spoiler

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/11814841

 

How do you keep your temps down?

91C on 4.1...Full max and placed on a cooler.

 

The same as you should... Delided processor and Liquid metal