Clevo Overclocker's Lounge

btw, CLU really leaves it's mark on the heatspreader:



This is after wiping it with 70% alcohol (which was included with the CLU kit)+alcohol (don't know %) which was included with the Mastergel Maker.

 

Have some of you tried this one? http://www.frozencpu.com/products/1..._-_30mL_XC-01.html?tl=g8c123s1486&id=V3XwguSS

 

I would have and also would have used those pads you linked above, but nobody sells these in this country and ordering from the US would costs too many $ (if anybody sends it to the EU).

 

The best way to apply new pads is to use thinner ones.
It is not necessary to have the exact thickness as the stock ones. This way your core makes better contact as well.
One way to test the fit is to, take the card and heatsink out of the system, place the thermal pads on and start testing the thickness.
The stock.pad thickness is literally double the actual thickness that is needed. They mainly use thicker ones (and softer) to avoid precise fitting, which needs very gentle and careful application.

For.my 980 I reduced the thickness by half and then tested the application with the thinner pads. Everytime looking at the card and heat sink sideways to make sure there are no gaps. ( Needs to be out of the system )
Also do it in sections. Like VRAM first, then MOSTFETs/VRMs.

 

If you still have the factory pads you could test that theory. I have never used those pads you are using personally and am using the alphacool 14 w/mk so not sure on the difference in pliability between the two.

 

They are expensive but newegg sells the alphacool which is the same as the fujipoly.

 

Newegg does not ship to Mordor (Europe), only US :/

 

eBay is your friend. Also again, no need to get the exact thickness.
Buy some cheapo pads in various thickness' and figure out what the minimum is.
Then order the high end ones.

 

Sorry, did not know that.

 

btw, check my guide again for thermal pads (see my signature), aside from the waaaay overpriced thermal grizzly pads and the high performant but insanely expensive fujipoly/alphacool pads, theres the arctic cooling 6W/mK thermal pads if you check their performance, they actually beat the 8W/mK rated TG pads and come close to the fujipoly 11W/mK pads at a mere fraction of the price! add to that their texture stability (reuseable) and squishiness & stickiness (thus good contact), and u got urself a winner i got those myself and extremely happy with them. go ahead and search for it, its just 16€ shipped for 145x145 mm of 1 mm thermal pads!!!

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That new AMD CPU won't work inside Clevo laptopys no?

Was looking forward if it would fit and how hard it is to cool, seemed like AMD could step up their game but if it only works with a new motherboard.....

 

No.

 

AMD CPUs have not worked in Intel mobos since like 1994/1995 or somewhere about that time (too long ago to remember or care) when they were available as aftermarket upgrades for 386 and 486 systems. Intel would sue AMD into oblivion if they made any attempt to do this today, and even AMD-fanboys probably would not like it very much either.

I hope AMD releases a good CPU that can match Intel's 6700K and 7700K, but I seriously doubt they have the skill or ability to release anything better. You would gain nothing even if it would work. All recent AMD processors have always run hotter and were always less powerful clock-for-clock, so hopefully that will change going forward.

 

Now, this is why I believe AMD has done zero comparisons of the quad core zen versus skylake. They only compare the 8 core ryzen to the 8 core broadwell-e. This means that if the price is right and they did manage to overclock as well as a 6900K (they only showed amd without boost versus Intel with and without boost and the same general type of air cooling in the demonstration, with one article claiming they knee capped the 6900K to dual channel for the comparison), then in a desktop setting it could be competitive. We don't know single core performance when overclocked nor how high we can expect (in comparison, over 1/3rd 6900Ks can do 4.4ghz at 1.36V or less according to those binned at silicon lottery).

Most applications and games that are multithreaded still do not benefit by having over 6 cores/12 threads. This means knowing what you use and its capabilities is important to pick the hardware for your needs, @Georgel.

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Whoa, nice things there, didn't know that!

Uhm, we should really get a standard CPU socket and keep it because otherwise there won't be upgrades for enough generations in laptopys.

In desktop it's easy to swap out the motherboard and upgrade stuff but for us laptopy users we surely would need a few generations more of CPUs to use the same socket.

Tho running hotter is a big problem for AMD...

Thanks for answering!

Well, most of the software I use should use all cores available, but no idea if it is actually optimized to use more than 8 logical cores.

 

Even this comes up with editing and encoding. Some programs use up to 22 threads, more than consumer high end chips, but less than some Xeon chips. But it is always good not to waste money by purchasing more than you need. If overclocking/number chasing, then something like that can work for them (if nothing else to add more hardware to the portfolio). But general users would be fine with no more than a 6850K (6 core, 12 thread, 40 pcie lanes). Speaking of which, we still don't know the exact number of pcie lanes on ryzen...

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From worse to even more worse. If I can call it this way. BGA i7 is outright fraud, but what should we call this ↓↓↓ new modern BGA trash? @Mr. Fox @Phoenix @ajc9988 @bloodhawk +++

"Snapdragon processors in laptops" I know... Mr. Azor @Alienware-Frank is really happy now. He don't want desktop processors in his dear Alienware's. Maybe this new ultra BGA fit better? And he don't need to fix the heat problems in next AW revision. Aka the amazing TRIPOD @hmscott @Cass-Olé

Spoiler: Mr. Azor don't like LGA

http://hothardware.com/news/pc-oems-testing-windows-10-notebooks-qualcomm-snapdragon

 

Yup... filth, indeed.

 

I FIX for you. Let's be clear... This fit nice in high-budget device like Alienware or all laptops Who already use i7 BGA. Does not matter. Not in a Legitimate powerhouse like laptops intended for LGA!! Hope it was written understandable

 

I blinked...

Wha?

What happened there?

Who thought it was a good idea to include snapdragons in laptops?

 

retards
10char

 

To be fair, the mentally handicapped could figure out that putting something so weak in a laptop doesn't make sense. You shouldn't lower the mental handicapped to the level of those people or the drones that purchase those devices that believe all marketing propaganda that are blown out of those people's butts!

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Perhaps a suggestion / a request from Dell. The big bell sheep. Remember Mr. Azor is CEO at one of Dell's divisions. You should know this now

Edit.
Alienware CEO: Dell has taken us to a whole new level We know
http://fortune.com/2015/06/19/alienware-azor-dell/

 

But why?....

Intel already had their own version of ultra low power thingies...

Am I confused or we are actually talking about snapdragons in actual laptops? Snapdragons.

 

No, we are complaining about the decreasing power of bga crap cpus which arm cpus will be equivalent to soon. If you are purchasing a chrome book, a tablet, a MacBook anything, you
Expect that much power from the processor. When you buy a high end notebook, you expect what we have!

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"One thing that is attracting brand vendors is battery life. Snapdragon processors are fairly strong chips, but also power efficient, especially compared to desktop CPUs."
Read one more time bro http://hothardware.com/news/pc-oems...books-qualcomm-snapdragon#38VgmtEIdYCvf0Rr.99

Edit. "The announcement also opened the door to using Snapdragon processors in laptops and tablets running Windows 10 Crap and that is something that device makers are already working towards."

 

My heart just dropped and my balls shriveled just reading that!!!

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Ya'll know someone will have to put some soul back in those people

I mean, the games I work on run on the lowest power snapdragons and phones (The Android version!!!), but a laptop should handle a few activities...

Too many times people complain that their laptop cannot run the X properly but they won't bother to read what they buy before buying.

Tested this in Romania. You can buy a laptop at the about 300$ point. At this point you can get the lowest number of cores lowest power laptop, or you can get a quad core and 128GB SSD if you read enough before buying.

 

Benchmarks from kaby lake http://www.eurocom.com/ec/benchmarks(384)ec

 

I really need to look up stock 6700K runs for comparison (I'm used to numbers way higher and haven't run stock since...)

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Something seems off there, 3dmark11 and Timespy is lower than my BGA book with a 1070 and 6700HQ. FS is barely any higher. That 7700k and hopefully a better cooled 1070 should easily smoke my P35X, even with the CPU score alone being a ton higher.

*Yeah their GPU scores are really low, they must have crap drivers or something to score low enough that the CPU doesn't make the overall score higher than mine.

 

Check the physics score... and remember it's Windows 10 (huge handicap in 3DMark 11). We don't care about the overall score right now. I'd say for stock that's decent for physics test. I'd venture a guess it is at least 2000 points higher on physics test than your 6700HQ, maybe more.

 

Also, take note that the Tornado F5 is running 3200MHz RAM.

 

I would have been disappointed if the results had been the gold standard. There must be a crippled firmware + a cooling problem. See Fire Strike. A very crippled physics score in FS for 4.2GHz on all 4 cores. Even with the crippled GUI is this result a mess!!


Edit. And the Cinebench r11.5 results with stock clock(4.2GHz - 4 cores) is also a mess

 

Just seen that video...

Those people make those videos and think it's fine to just say "Yeah, it runs PS as it should" or say "Yeah, it will run chrome as it should"...

Even MS word can be heavy not to question the amount of multi tasking we generally do. I mean, I generally have at least 5+ tabs of chrome, music software, all drivers, ATOM, PS, a game or two and Clip Studio, and MPC-HC + madVR loaded at the same time.

What is much worse is that they recommend those snapdragon laptops to corporate sales. Like:

Yeah, we know that you keep 12 instances of word and another 12 instances of excel and 10 tabs of chrome because you're corporate, but here, take a SnapDragon!

 

Imagine 200 tabs on Firefox, 100 in chrome, a couple hundred page word document, an excel spreadsheet or two, a couple pdf files in Adobe trying to run on a snapdragon! I think I might die while waiting on it...

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Benches don't look like much of an improvement. We should check thermals and OC abilities, maybe there's something to gain when getting one of these

 

Delide, Proper firmware, Liquid Ultra and tweaking should speed up this chips

 

At the end of the day, it may not be an improvement at all. It could be a downgrade or a major improvement. We can't say with any accuracy at this time.

Of course we do not expect the benchmarks provided to be a finely tuned best example of 7700K performance. No examples that I have seen of a Haswell 4790K or Skylake 6700K CPU shows the CPU runs at peak performance using default Intel power and voltage settings. In fact, we know from experience the exact opposite is true and they all run too hot, throttle and generally run like utter crap using default Intel specs. We should not expect that to be any different with Kaby Lake 7700K.

There is no such thing as a finely tuned stock notebook because the people that sell them do not do this. Neither do most end-users that buy them. Most end users take them out of the box, press the power button and go. Eurocom did not give us any head-to-head 6700K verus 7700K CPU-heavy benchmarks to look at with stock Tornado F5 and no tuning effort. Perhaps @Eurocom Support could do that to show us how these two processors compare in an open-box click-and-run scenario.

I am in no way defending Kaby Lake 7700K. We don't know whether it is actually better or worse than Sky Lake 6700K because we do not have sufficient information to pass judgment at this point in time. Until one or more of us crazy overclocker guys have one to mess with we will not have a good answer to this question. If it turns out that Micro$loth has their way and Kaby Lake really does not support any OS except for Windows 10, that fact alone could potentially make it an undesirable or unacceptable CPU option for many.

What he said... ^^^^^

 

I don't know if I would die waiting for it to do things, but there is certainly a good chance the so-called Snapdragon notebook turdbook would die, simply because I would probably get mad and destroy it with my bare hands. Kind of like putting down a horse with a broken leg or a dog with rabies. You could call it a mercy killing.

 

I'm just in the process to ascend my Cousin from his old W370SS with the good old trusty 860m to a P775DM3-G with 1060 and i7 6700 for pretty cheap 1600€ imho, and i wonder is it normal that the 1060 stays most of the time at ~1850mhz? I would guess so cause the 1070 Needs about 130-140w and the 1060 only 75w what i measured so far with HWInfo64

 

Snappy Dragon CPUs in a laptop? what is the world coming to? That snappy dragon CPU is barely enough to power an Android Galaxy S7!

 

Have him get the biggest PSU in his budget. He might need it later.

 

Maybe AW should stop trying to make notebooks and compete instead in the tablet-with-a-keyboard market where bad heatsink QC and toothpaste wouldn't matter because neither are needed. Who'd miss them?

 

What did you expect from the tree-huggers who want to save the world with pushing out ultimate low powered ALL sorts of BGA trash in desktop replacement high performance laptops? If the laptop use more than 3-9w idle power the whole time you don't use your pc, you can risk the world wil go under within 50 years
@bennyg Alienware compete already with Razer and Apple. And of course with Acer an eMachines!!

 

they crapped all over the Alienware brand, it should be renamed to BGAware - Lower Performance Taptops

 

Or just skip the Aw brand naming and call it what it is... DELLBook.
Why use a lot of extra money on advertising a separate brand who is exactly Dell anyway? Wasted money bro!! People can't see the difference inside the tablet.

 

or DellFancyLightsJokeBook

 

Your way of painting this is lovely as always, Brother @Mr. Fox

But yeah... I ragequit a first gen i5 due to some similar problems, well, that and it broke by itself... This makes me wonder, wouldn't some programs just crash on an underpowered lappy?

 

They should just be done with it and start making tablets a little bigger with keyboards to cater to the 'BGA is good enough' crowd that don't mind changing machines like underwear. There might be less bastardization of laptops then finally.