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Then you should be able to flash the stock 1.06 set of files. 3 to be exact.(For the 7700K)
What is the command list for flashing?

 

@Johnksss@iBUYPOWER can you teach me some commie speak and tell which one is the download for TM5? :0

http://testmem.tz.ru/testmem5.htm

 

http://testmem.tz.ru/tm5.rar

 

Dank

 

Np

 

nothing too overfancy tbh, just almost the same as the dos procedure besides it's EFI shell this time.

 

Yep. That is exactly correct.

 

tbh tho i don't trust the XMG/Schenker flash procedure, this time i have the Schenker Bios instead of the XMG Labeled, and

"Führe „Restore.nsh“ aus, das System wird automatisch herunterfahren" which translates to "run restore.nsh, your system will shutdown"

There isn't even a restore.nsh in the package lol and i dunno if i should just flash the stock "style note" bios, which i have here too from the other thread, are there bios differences besides LOGO? I remember e.g. Sager had some sort of little variance in them.

EDIT: ok sweating is over, i just flashed the XMG Bios over the SCHENKER one (due to the missing file(s) ) and everything works, now i just have to wait for the 7700K + changing Brightness works again now too

 

You have to run restore.nsh or you will wipe out your keys...
The ones that are embedded in the bios msdm table. If you have one.

 

yeah did that too ofc, thats why i used the XMG bios instead, cause there everything was in place, @XMG just for headsup the W717 (KBL Update W717_DTR_17.zip) is missing files for flashing, namely restore.nsh

 

You do know you can edit the working bios flash version with the 3 files it's missing. 4 if you are flashing a different logo.


Then it may be setup for a different type of setup.


1: ec1
2: ec2
3: bios 8meg file
4: bios 5 meg file with different logo

You would change those names in the flashme file to match the ones you want to flash now.

 

Has anyone taken calipers to the 7700K and looked at Z height for the 6700K vs 7700k? I know the 6700K shrank things down but I was not aware of the 7700K.

 

@Q937

 

I have not, but I noticed there is a person milling truly flat copper, and eventually silver, replacement IHSs for the 7700K...

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Can't do this fam. Gotta link and stuff. Carrots are meant to be eaten.

 

I saw it in passing as one of the "you might be interested" threads on tapatalk. I forgot to hit follow on top and it hasn't popped up since. It was most likely at hwbot, but I'm unsure. I then told myself, "eh, it is alright. You'll have Ryzen soon enough."

So I apologize, but you now know it is out there...

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The 7700K IHS is flatter than the 6xxx series.

 

Just a quick one for the overclockers here, if you don't already own 3DMark (lets you get all tests and skip the time-wasting Demo every run) it's currently included in the Humble Software Bundle:
https://www.humblebundle.com/pc-lovers-software-bundle

The entire $12 skew includes VR Mark which is actually cheaper than if you buy it separately in Steam.

 

Thanks. I still haven't bought time spy, so might just do this for that and VRMark.

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My findings showed that the distance between the retention tab and top of the IHS was slightly smaller in the 7700K, leading to several of us having temperature issues.

 

thx worked flawelessly, i had a little issue with the XMG Bios where my Notebook black screens after 1 minute ingame (didn't matter which, issue was IF GPU was involved) and fans went to 100%, i just then flashed the Schenker Bios + the info you gave me everything was well and now no black screens anymore. Schenker bios indeed had a P775DM3.bin (8mb) AND a P775DM3.rom (5mb). At first i thought the Bios Update went good, but the Bios was really for KBL ONLY, so 6700k still works but isn't supported fully anymore, but like i said after the Schenker update everything is good, just have to get some Thermal Compound again, cause only applied it half assed, cause my thermal kryonaut was empty.

good to know, thx, wanted to buy it anyways and that seems like a good deal

 

I see that HID went with the gskill 2800 vs the gskill 3000 as a upgrade on the P870KM1. I am assuming that was because of issues with everyone reaching stability on the 3000 modules.

 

My temps have been comparable if not lower at the same clocks with my 7700K. With both being dellided.

 

It should still make pretty good contact with that small a difference.

 

My contact was already borderline. CLU was just barely usable with my 6700K, but it wasn't even close to making contact with the 7700K.

 

Have never tried using clu on the top of the ihs only between the ihs and the CPU die. I may have seen the issue you were as well if I tried that. Was using icd on the top of the ihs.

 

Well DM3 baseline established -

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/11720089
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/18011895

 

It's worth a try in my opinion. The worst that can happen is you've wasted a little time and metal.

 

I found that there is a commandment to delid every CPU;

"This is My covenant, which ye shall keep, between Me and you and thy notebook after thee: every CPU among you shall be delidded. 11 And ye shall be delidded in the flesh of your IHS; and it shall be a token of a covenant betwixt Me and you. 12 And he that is eight days old shall be delidded among you, every notebook throughout your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any foreigner, that is not of thy Apple. 13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be delidded; and My covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. 14 And the Intel notebook who is not delidded in the flesh of his IHS, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken My covenant."

 

Unless the CPU IHS is soldered of course, but that's unlikely with the mainstream chips.

 

Even then, it depends. You can use the delid die mate. With how thick the solder is, you can get 5-8C...

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Well my new 7700k tops out at 5.1Ghz , ah well -

http://valid.x86.fr/7gjknv

 

I know it's a bit off topic but that machine has an M.2 GPU in it which I found interesting at 3:45.

 

The first two words in the video title "trash can" explain exactly where I would throw It.

 

Getting there slowly - http://www.3dmark.com/fs/11752858

 

Wonder if we can have a Ryzen clevo eh? The top end 8 core is still at 95w.

 

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/11992908
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/18082713
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/18082625

 

My 7700K tops out at a stable 4.8 GHz with a -90 mV undervolt. Beyond that point and 3DMark benchmarking gets me up around 94c and throttling kicks in. Pushing it for very long and I blue screen (or other zig-zag lines with a nasty audio buzz from the speakers). (firestrike 1.1, firestrike extreme, time spy).

I have already delidded, lapped down the IHS and used ThermalGrizzly LM in the chip and between the IHS lid and the CPU heatsink.

What does not thrill me is the CPU heat sink; what is that saying about 10 pounds of poop in a 5 pound bag? You just cannot get rid of the heat fast enough out of the back of the notebook.

The LM did decrease normal operating temps about 11c but it as if the heat sink just does not do a good enough job of transferring heat out of the machine.

When I can find my thermocouples I am going to glue one to the CPU heat sink (might as well glue a few more to the GPU vapor chamber even if those temps are really good while overclocked). That way I can see how efficient the heat transfer is between the CPU die and the heat sink.

If the CPU die is reporting 92 but the copper on the heat sink says 75 then I have a problem. The heat sink will have a problem if the copper at the chip shows 92 but the fins are only picking up at 70 (means that capillary tubes suck bad).

BTW, during the lapping I found high spots (and low spots) on the top of the IHS, I photographed the entire process of taking the surface finish all the way down to a mirror that you can see your reflection in. ( finished off with 0.25 micron diamond lapping compound).

I will try to write the entire thing up with photographs so everyone can see the process.

 

Multiple reasons for this -

1. Silicon Lottery.
My first 7700k could easily hold 4.8Ghz @ 1.2V.
Second one I got for a friend at about 1.215V.
And the current does 4.8Ghz @ 1.235V at least. And tops out at 5.1Ghz. while the other 2 could touch 5.3Ghz in the laptop for validation and we're stable at 5.2Ggz in a desktop. The first one however was stable at 5.4Ghz in a desktop , so a pretty good chip.

2. The IHS of the 7700k sits slightly lower than that of thee 6700k, thus the contact and temp issues.

3. ****ty fans. One would expect a lot of air to be moved with all that noise. However my DM1 cools both my 6700k and the 7700k much better with at least a 3-5C difference at similar clocks/voltages. And mind you in the DM1 I have been using standard pastes, and when In the DM3 it's using CLU. So the gap would be even bigger if I was using CLU in the DM1 as well.
Makes me wonder why change the fan at all? The DM1s fans are much quiter and seem to push more air.

But yeah, as for temps on the 7700k, at 4.8Ghz anything over sustained 1.225V (ballpark would be less than 1.25V) will push you over 90C quickly. Unless you are using a cooling pad and max fans at the same time.
On the DM1, 4.8Ghz maxes out at 87-89C for me.

 

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Ok, that gives me a starting point to try with a fixed voltage, I am seeing some voltages on the cores get up to 1.303V or as low as 0.616V.

I may see if I can find a single DM1 fan (ebay or something) just for the CPU. I have a cooling pad that maybe I should mod for fans with more CFM.

Can you describe your GPU settings? That is amazing.

thanks again,
Tish

 

Sounds like the perfect mod project to me

 

TDPs are not to be taken as directly comparable especially between brands.

 

Speaking of silicon lottery, they found a few 5.3's. Haven't seen them for sale on the site yet though as they have only found a few and there are people waiting on them.

 

I am sure a custom one could be really nice if you complete the mod!

 

You could try using a better thermal pad between the CPU heatsync and Vapor Chamber to get a little more heat transfer from the CPU to the GPU heatsync although that did not seem to make a huge difference for me. The processor I bought was one of the 5.1's from silicon lottery and what I have noticed is I can run 5.0 on all synthetic tests and for normal day to day but the temperatures do get high and I have to run the fans max all the time. 4.8 really seems to be the sweet spot though with the temperatures being moderate and can run the processor with fans on auto for daily use and max for gaming. From the looks of it HID Evolution chose to clock there silicon lottery chips at 4.8 as well. I did mod my notepal U3 and got it up and running a few days ago and it seems to have made about a 5C difference in gaming from what I can tell.

 

Running a silicon lottery seems like a lucrative side business for any company or distributor who moves a large number of CPU's through their manufacturing process.

If you are receiving inventory directly from Intel you can set up a dedicated test bench to just benchmark and bin CPU's. When you do find the gems in the box of semi-precious stones you divert those from normal manufacturing and in to a direct-to-customer, enthusiast/overclocker market at 2-3 times the price.

It's like printing money, the initial setup costs are low (maybe $2K) and you can hire someone at $9/hour to just run through the CPU's. Additionally you can add a bit of spin to your marketing of normal products by saying that "all CPU's have been stress tested by us before we install them in your system".

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Way back when I was in electronics manufacturing (specialized control equipment for oil companies) we would sometimes get a requirement for a unit that could survive temperature extremes (they were destined for far northern Canada and would be left outside in a fiberglass enclosure). Since I ran the QA lab at the time maybe one out of every 20 units could survive and thrive at -40c (had this gigantic environmental test chamber).

Funny story about that test chamber, it also could go to really high temperatures too (200c) and cycle from -40 to 200 in less than a minute (stress testing). It was programmable and sometimes I would come in on a Monday to find the settings were all wrong so it needed to be reprogrammed. One time I forgot to reset it and I had a unit in for a normal freeze and cook cycle (-20 to 80c) and put a unit in there for testing. In my office I detected this hot plastic odor and ran in to the room where the environmental chamber was at 176c (food cooking temperatures of 350f). I quickly shut it down and removed the piping-hot device and set it on a table to cool off. It warped the case and it sort of took on the shape of a banana. Later that day I tested it on the bench and it still worked! (didn't kill the chips while they were powered up under that heat).

After much investigation I found that a bunch of the techs would come in to the building on a Saturday night, get high and eat pizzas while gaming. They were using my environmental chamber to cook and reheat them. I never said a word to management about it but did tell the guys to maybe use the less expensive test chamber that was in a different part of the building rather than this $25K freezer/refrigerator.

BTW, I did salvage those boards and we did make a unit that ended up going to United Arab Emirates for evaluation. It passed those tests of being installed in the middle of the desert.

fin

 

Yeah, try and tweak things so that you the lowest voltage ceiling possible the clocks you are trying to run. This is abit tricky and time consuming, specially since different apps pull different amount. (wPrime 1024 pulls the most consistent amount, Realbench is a crap shoot but is the best for me to find a nice daily driver point ,then AIDA64 and finally Cinebench.)

I dont think DM1 fans will fit or work, but there was a thread not so long ago about modding DM3 fans, might want to look for that.

The GPU was at +175/+500.

Yeah the initial batches seem to be the best clocks, since after that it has become pretty difficult to get a good one. But then again there is always that chance.

 

I'm looking at them, and I think at least the CPU fan might fit. But I can't be sure. Have you tried slotting in one fan from the other system to see if it physically fits?

Have you tried using a shim inbetween the IHS and the CPU heatsink to bridge the gap for Liquid Metal? Otherwise I think ICD alone might provide a better cooling solution due to excess space. Give it a whirl?

 

Wow, quite the change;

Going with a static voltage (1.985v with a -90 mV offset), setting CPU speed to 4.7 GHz and a cache of 4.9 GHz really improved my scores.

No matter what I do with voltages or offsets I cannot run stably at >4.8 GHz. In the silicon lottery it is as if I bought $50 in quick pick tickets and won $55 (not complaining, it is what it is).

BUT: My temperatures went from peaking at 99c down to 87c when using the Intel Extreme Tuning Utility benchmark. It is stable and playable.

Graphically I did boost my GPU clock up to +170 MHz with memory running right now at 450 MHz. Temperatures monitored during Firestrike 1.1 did not exceed 65c. Going beyond 170 MHz and 3DMark will unexpectedly terminate, going beyond 450 MHz on the memory and I start to see artifacts.

It is not a prize winning OC by any means but it is playable, stable and moves me up to the 120 FPS range on games without generating temperature alarms or throttling.

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I had a thought on the CPU clearance questions regarding the heat sink;

If you look at the Clevo P870 heat sink and how it mates up to a 7700k CPU there might be a way to increase the clamping force with a very insignificant change to the heat sink.

Look at the heat sink screws, they have captive clips that hold them in place so they do not get lost. When the heat sink is installed the thickness of those clips acts like shims, preventing the heat sink from being able to get closer to the top of the IHS.

I didn't pay too much attention to that when I had it apart yesterday but you may gain a half a mm or so of tightening room if you remove the clips (you can usually pop those off with a very small screwdriver). The only downside is that the screws will be floating free when you remove the heat sink (no problem, we have screws that can be dropped in all sorts of places whenever we take a machine apart). If that concerns you too much you can pop the clips back on. They look like a little tiny letter C that is around the screw thread area on the bottom of the heat sink.

 

Haven't tried yet, but thats on the agenda for the next weekend.