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I'd personally go with the 6600k for the OC capabilities, and save money. Since it has the LGA1151 you can always upgrade the CPU in the future.

 

That 6600k needs to be delidded

 

Its so hot? I dont plan to do much moding as i only need this laptop as my secondary gaming /statistic rig. If i get that 6600k it may have thermal throtling?

 

K cpus have a 91w of tdp so they are not so cold
that 7400 has 65w of tdp

 

Possibly. You can play around with undervolting and thermal compound to avoid it. A delid offers dramatic improvements, just risks the warranty.

 

Yeah by hot i mean if i will need to do deliding etc just to get normal performance (without oc) without throtling out of it. Lets say 6+h gaming sesions of games like witcher 3 etc...

 

Not necessarily, no, but you have environmental variables that affect the temps, so it's hard to predict. If you don't plan to OC, then you might want to consider a non "K" CPU. They'll run a little cooler.

 

6600K has the same TDP as a 7700K, one is old gen skylake and the other is "current" gen Kaby Lake (current because we're sort of half way inbetween 7 series Kaby Lake and 8 series Coffee Lake.

Both being 91W TDP doesn't mean that they will pull the same power under the same conditions - it's the default thermal limit and both CPUs are in the same envelope as categorised by Intel. Theoretically it means that the maximum thermal output is between 66W and 91W i.e. it's more than 65W so classed as 91W.

i7-7700 (non K version) hits 85C on Prime load and 91C on Prime + Furmark. Running at 3.6GHz in both those conditions and then 3.8GHz @ max 76C in more real world gaming benchmarks - 3DMark11 and Unigine. Base clock is 3.6GHz so nothing unusual in the clock speed under synthetic multi-threadded applications like Prime. Max Turbo Boost (which is 1 core, not 4 core load) is 4.2GHz.

For comparison (I don't have 6600K figures because it's a two generations old CPU and we only tested with 7 series CPUs) the 7700T is a 35W CPU - 2.9 - 3.8GHz. In Prime it ran at 79C @ 3.2GHz (again, nothing that unusual and higher than the base clock) and then in the Unigine / 3DMark11 max was 69C @ 3.7GHz. So the temperature was lower but the clock speed pretty much the same - however the 7700T was performing 100MHz below it's max Turbo Boost frequency whereas the 7700 was running 400MHz below it's max frequency.

That might be too much information to draw an easy conclusion, but it's a balance between performance, temperatures and fan noise.

I can't see that they actually offer a 6600K, it's not listed on the configuration page - but would go with a 7700T if you can get one.

 

Anyone know the NTSC / sRGB on this laptop? I suspect it's 60% sRGB.

 

If it's not listed I usually assume 72% now.

 

72% NTSC is about 90% sRGB. Usually when it's not listed I assume it's 45% NTSC / 65% sRGB . I suppose if you ever calibrated a N950KP6 you could tell its sRGB. I would love to review this unit.

 

If I get my hands on one I'll check.

 

Can somebody provide some pics of GPU cooling system? What about temps during long high loads? (expect benchs, i'm about games\rendering)

 

Fan noise - just had pleasure to use this laptop. It's very quiet and cool one.

GPU 1060+ i5 6600k. Max temp auto fan cinebench - +/- 63C. Max GPU temp 70C.

 

Sounds a bit amplified but that dB monitor and the sounds of breathing put it in perspective. Shows how careful you have to be just judging a video by ear.

 

One German reseller confirmed LG LP156WF6-SPB1 in Clevo N957KP6.
Similar panel in Acer Aspire V 15 Nitro VN7-572G
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Acer-...2L0-Notebook-Review.153424.0.html#toc-display
82% sRGB (Argyll)
54% AdobeRGB 1998 (Argyll)
And no PWM

But according to laptopmedia it have PWM frequency 20700 Hz
http://laptopmedia.com/screen/lg-lp156wf6-spb1/

It is very confusing...

PS
Can someone add "N957KP6" in topic name + tags?
Clevo N95 7KP6 and N95 0KP6 are similar, except the lid design.

 

And according to this http://www.panelook.com/LP156WF6-SPB1_LG Display_15.6_LCM_overview_24180.html
it's 72% NTSC which is around 90% sRGB and no PWM .

More confusion.
I would suspect it has at least 80% sRGB .

 

Yeah, just OK for media consumption but not for media creation and color correction.

 

I think, here is a nice deal for Clevo N957KP6 for European users.
https://www.gamingguru.de/guru-venus-blackfriday.html
Pentium G4600 + 8GB RAM for 799€
Or barebone version without CPU and RAM for 649€

 

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.909368879239657.1073741864.184539865055899&type=3

 

CPU+GPU cooling
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Fans identical to a fan for secondary GPU on P870DM - I tested recently that one I pulled from my Clevo - this thing is surprisingly powerful (and also loud on full power).

 

that is actually on of the best fans for quality Clevo ever used in their systems! the other one was a CPU fan on the p3xxx models. I don't mean power but quality wise!

you mean fn+1? not louder than n850hp6, believe me!

and on the auto fan it keeps really quite and pretty much cool. unfortunately there is not "overclock" profile in the EC

 

not too bad actually! is that with the SPB1 LCD?

 

Yes! It is N957TP6 with Coffee Lake and LG LP156WF6-SPB1.

 

Great images, thanks for sharing

 

No, I pulled it out and connect directly to 5V. It began spinning (whole fan) on my table

 

haha, got ya!

 

Just bought this laptop from Eluktronics as a "BYO" laptop. No cpu/ram/hdd. For $607 shipped. So far no issues, email support and phone number both very helpful. Got windows just finished installing now. Highly recommend them as a reseller. Realized the drivers came only on a disc and it doesnt have a reader so I will email support and see if they can help. If not I guess I will get a reader for USB, as I cannot find the drivers available online anywhere. I too was also surprised to see that the fans are metal casing and seem very quality. The dual heatpipes on cpu/gpu also surprising for price. Thanks all.

 

Also you can get drivers from Clevo
http://www.clevo.com/en/e-services/download/default.asp

 

Found that finally through googling but the re-seller Eluktronics got back to me in email very quick with what looks like a added page to the website. So kudos to them again. Must be a slow mover laptop or something to not have it's own driver page.

http://www.eluktronics.com/n950kp6-drivers/

"These drivers are designed exclusively for Eluktronics series N950KP6 series with the Windows 10 operating system:"

Hm, so should I uninstall stuff that I got from the Clevo site and install these instead? What kind of exclusively designed aspects could they be perhaps talking about?

The onscreen popups for caps lock and such do show up but occasionally don't and requires a reboot. Which is a bit of a bother as there are no indicator lights for num-lock or caps.

On the topic of the keyboard, it's definitely a bit of an unloved aspect to the design. It could have been paid a little more attention to to make the overall package stellar instead of only above average. Specifically the deck flex. It's uneven, there's a lot of flex, and it actually seems to be slightly buckled up in the middle of the deck.... Does anyone else have this? I'm seriously considering diving a bit deeper in disassembly to re-paste the GPU(80c easily), and put some double-sided tape on the back of that deck...Or maybe a thin sheet of carbon fiber or phenolic sheet to support.

Would love some opinions on that.

The BIOS of the laptop is woefully simplistic. It has the ability to enable TPM2.0, change boot order....and that's about it. No monitoring of hardware, no special features to change the way the Fn key works, no over/underclocking features, just the bare essentials...almost. You can change the POST beep to be disabled :thumbsup:. That's a little disappointing, because the CPU cooling is phenomenal. Under full synthetic load my G4600 is barely going past 60c on a flat surface, with ambient at about 24c. Which makes the GPU seem like something is wrong, as it will easily hit throttle temps not even under full load. I will likely inspect/re-paste when I get home from work.

I have seen some mentions of possibly altering the BIOS here and there, no idea where to start on that. It seems like an area id be interested in if the risk is low. There are many aspects of this laptop that are confusing. Like why do the fans spin in unison? The heat-pipes are not connected...its two separate systems. Why is the BIOS so simple as to not even let me view system temperatures before booting an OS.(that make me very nervous when first putting this together.) Why can't I explicitly set the dedicated GPU as primary when on AC power. It makes no sense to switch between the two when you are on wall power, I have already experienced a few instances where the automatic switching failed to switch for 3d accelerated apps and had to be relaunched. Shouldn't there just be a hotkey???


Anyways apologies for the long post. This laptop has made me very satisfied with the money I spent on it. I feel like there's some shortfalls, that could seemingly be remedied with very little added cost. Particularly software, it's okay-ish, but could have been made great. Like the control center not remembering changes made to profiles, if I'm on performance mode what makes you think i want to run in balanced power mode?? The implicit inference to performance is power...at any rate. If anyone has comparable results I'd like to know. Or if you have suggestions for my software issues, or BIOS limitations, I'm also just generally interested in temperatures others see for the GPU. And if re-pasting was needed.

 

Resellers can customise some aspects of the software but not to the point where you would have issues on the stock Clevo software. In case of issues they may ask you to use their set though to get a base level of software to examine.

 

Looks like I should be fine to upgrade to a 6th gen CPU? I'm looking at the i5-6600, from a G4600. Just checking to make sure because officially Eluktronics says 7th gen only. A few places I have seen configure them with 6th gen CPU's.

As for BIOS it looks like I am SOL emailed Eluktronics and they just flat out said no BIOS is available, and any alterations void warranty. I believe that I have already voided it however by taking the bottom off and re-pasting the GPU. The included BIOS is so simplistic as to be a bit comical, they're jut a bunch of basically empty windows. I've seen mention around here of a modified BIOS for Clevo systems, but it all seems very smoke&mirrors and not much said about it. Does such a thing exist for this model? I'm mostly interested in some options regarding the fans, possible OC options, and some more flexibility with regards to general stuff. I suppose it really isnt needed, but I'm curious if anyone has any actual info on some kind of expanded BIOS.

PCIE SSD performance is pretty incredible btw, 4 lanes and is quite a bit damn faster than a HDD or regular SSD.

I really wish RAM pricing was reasonable right now, as I could only justify purchasing 8GB stick right now. Prices are insane atm what the hell!

Unigine Superposition score of 9000 on medium 1080p preset is not bad for <$800 laptop.

 

Is the 6th gen that much cheaper than the 7th gen on the used market?

 

Ok, so I hit up eBay and filtered my resulted by US sellers only, completed and sold listings(not just completed). Limited the price range to sane values, i7-7700k for $100 was something I saw... among other really good deals that can't be counted on reliably. With that I got about 7-10 of the last sold listings in the past month or so. To get a used market value.

Then I got the Passmark multi-threaded(MT) and single-threaded(ST) scores for the CPUs.


Initially, when I was looking at what is currently available 6th gen was substantially cheaper, and my graphs where based on a single data point for price. The best currently available price. Obviously that was flawed in that in 2 weeks or whenever I wish to upgrade(or anyone else reading this heh) expecting that price to still be valid is laughable. So I took the previously described approach of averaging the past months sold listings.

Pentium G4xxx family is an insane value. With the bigger picture it looks like you really can't go wrong with ANY choice as an upgrade. If you went with a K chip, you get no overclocking unless your BIOS supports it. With the N950KP6 I got from Eluktronics they specifically mentioned to me in email that the thermal design and power design does not support K series.

Having said that, I couldn't shake a true answer out of them as far as what that actual thermal and power design is. TDP != actual wattage use. It is a maximum possible. In AIDA64 stress FPU, my G4600 draws a maximum of 32w. It's TDP is 51w, so clearly not even close, 20w off actually. The thermal design is pretty easy to figure out, get your CPU as hot as possible, AIDA64 stress FPU does this better than any stress app I have ever seen. If you can run AIDA64 stress FPU and your chip doesn't thermal throttle, thermal design = OK.(not great to get close tho) Obviously the lower the better, but that's besides the case, if you don't throttle your thermal design is 'working'. Realistically, even if you do thermal throttle with AIDA stress FPU, it's still likely you won't in real life.

Power design is different entirely, if you go over bad things can happen that wont be immediately obvious. VRM's can overheat, traces can even fry. So I'm personally not willing to play around with pulling more than 65W from the socket. But is it 65W? I've never seen a chip actually pull it's TDP in real wattage. Is the power design taking that in to account and cutting corner or two and can only apply expected power for a 65W TDP chip? Or is it actually designed to provide 65W?

 

The 8th series can hit their TDP at stock values due to extra cores. The 7700 should run pretty close too.

The ultimate workload is AVX prime95 but that is just a true torture test.

 

I ordered one of these from Eluktronics to replace my very disappointing w650kk1. I plan on repasting cpu, gpu, and puttting dsanke's custom coffee lake bios from the other thread in it. I will post results in a few days.

 

Did a basic cpu repaste with some MX-4 and disabled Turboboost on i5 6500 and peak temps were 65C on cpu and 75C on gpu after an hour playing Overwatch, which is pretty good for almost stock settings. Fans aren't the quietest, but they're certainly not the loudest either, and with earbuds I can't hear them at all. The noise is also a low pitch and there's no squealing like there was with the w650kk1. I want to get into the gpu but I have no idea how. I really hope I don't have to take the keyboard off to do it.

There is also noticeable diagonal screen-tearing.

 

That is running pretty heavily underclocked.

 

Managed to get Windows 7 running on this machine with no hiccups and only having to hunt down two or three drivers on the internet. Clevo control center 5.000.1.0.38 also works better on W7 than the newest version did on 10. Honestly, everything on this machine is running a lot better than it was on 10. The only hotkey not working is the Airplane mode hotkey, but it works fine within the control center itself, so it's not really a big deal.

 

Well I suppose you have another year of support on the OS but not much longer.

 

I'll be keeping this machine as my main driver for at least another year. If 10 hasn't improved to what I consider usable by then I guess I'm going to hold out until Steam no longer supports it.

 

You can pay for continued security updates after EoL at least, and keep on trucking with Aero until 2023. Win 10 is not without its idiosyncrasies, but it's improving.

 

Hi, everyone.

Hope you will forgive my ignorance.

I own N957KP6 and I might be in a need of a keyboard replacement. The model for this laptop is CVM15F23USJ4309 (US ver.), with the part number being 6-80- N85H0-011-1.

If I understand it correctly, I only need to look for the CVM15F23 keyboards, ignoring the rest? Or do I have to look for N850 series, with exactly the same model number and the same p/n?

I saw this keyboard in variety of designs like red/blue/white font, but does it all matter after all? I am looking for the cheapest replacement possible, considering a Korean keyboard with no backlight (as opposed to my RGB)
Could I just get one from N250J0, with all numbers different, apart from it being CVM15, and be happy with it?

I need to change it because a couple of keys, always the same ones, work randomly: sometimes they do not work for a couple of hours, just to suddenly "pop" and work flawlessly for the rest of the day. Or they do work for a couple of minutes after pressing them hard for a couple of seconds and so on.

Thanks.

 

I believe you will need the one for your model.

 

Yeah, just that you cannot really find "N957KP6 keyboard" since that gives no results and I am not sure what exactly I should be looking at. Besides, it looks like they just use the kb from N85x laptops (for sure) and dozens of others it seems. Still, I am not sure if I understand it well.

 

Have a chat with your reseller.

 

Some updates for any considering buying one of these still.

Still haven't managed to open the keyboard to access the gpu in order to repaste it, but I did significantly lower my temps using MSI Afterburner and adjusting the curve and I have it set in a straight line so that it always remains underclocked @1400mhz. Yes, I know that's low and seemingly counter-productive to what many on this site believe, but I will gladly sacrifice a few frames for much lower temps and no gpu throttling ever. My temps in game went from a max of 85C on stock down to 72C under load after curve underclock. I suspect I can get even lower with a good repaste if I could ever get the damn thing open.

i5 6500 CPU is also permanently underclocked in Throttlestop with Turbo Boost always off and a -140mV offset. Temps max at 60C under load. I think I can push it even lower.

 

Anyone over clock the 2080 max q? What sort of head room does it have to compete with the 2070 rtx and 2080 gtx?