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Thanks so much, iam looking the spec like this but have TB3, i think it not exist on the earth =.=

 

isnt usb-c the same as TB port? 10 or 20gb/s

 

No, thunderbolt uses a PCI-Express based architecture rather than going through the USB stack. This allows it to attach to a wider range of high bandwidth faster response needing devices like external GPUs.

 

Any idea when this model will be available in the US?

 

I don't think demand has been all to hot to be fair in the US for the desktop CPU mid range models.

 

Eluctronic sells the w650kk1

 

https://www.multicom.no/multicom-kunshan-n950t-156-full-hd/cat-p/c1000042/p10640819
https://laptopparts4less.frl/15.6in...-N950TP6-Coffee-Lake-game-laptop-samenstellen

 

https://www.metabox.com.au/store/b238/Metabox-Alpha-N950TP-Laptop

 

Schenker XMG Apex 15: 15,6-Zoll-Gaming-Notebook mit Intel Core i7-8700 und GeForce GTX 1060

 

Hi! @XMG
I have a question for you. I'm watching this webpage
https://www.xmg.gg/xmg-apex15

is there a Z370? really? so is overclocking possible with an i5-8600k?

 

This model support only 65W CPU.
I believe, experiments with 95W CPU will be out of warranty)

 

they offer only 65W cpus but Z370 is a unlocked chipset so teorically that shoud support K cpus too
https://www.intel.it/content/www/it/it/chipsets/z370-chipset-brief.html

 

It is more about cooling system limits.
They have much beefier XMG Ultra 15 with 95W support.
All sellers offers N950TP6 only with 65W CPU, everything above will be at own risk and out of warranty.

 

There are also N650DU and W650KK1 sold with a 91W TDP i5-7600K or i7-7700k so that's not a problem. A K cpu needs to be delidded also in a P7xx. There are also resellers offering barebones without cpu so you can buy what you want

 

@sicily428 @vs40 - @vs40 is correct, it's about the limitation of the chassis. It "officially accepts" 65W CPUs, which means support for 8700 but not 8600K or 8700K.

There's no such thing as an unlocked chipset as such, it depends on the CPU itself. Theoretically it does support K series CPUs, as did the Z270 etc etc, I don't actually know if the stock BIOS limits compatability via microcode or not, but you shouldn't be putting a CPU with more than 65W in this chassis as it's not designed for that kind of thermal dissipation. [ to halt any arguments about how 95W CPUS run in other chassis, the point is that the N950 is a slimmer chassis with GTX 1060 and as such it is not intended or designed with 95W CPUS in mind ;-) ]

On delidding, in P7 series you don't need to do this - on the 8600K you have more headroom than with an 8700K, but it depends what you want to use the laptop for.

 

Just few further questions:
1) When will be available the version 15.6" Full HD 120Hz/3ms | non-glare
Modell: INNOLUX N156HHE-GA1 C2 ?
2) CPU/GPU delid/liquid metal seal or other anti-heating stuff not available? neither on request?

 

We have it on order from Clevo, but no delivery date confirmation yet. Might be mid/late March, we also might see other panel options before the summer as well.

For other chassis that accept 95W CPUs we offer delidding and thermal paste options. But for this chassis, with 65W CPU it's not necessary - if we did offer this on the Apex 15 laptop it would be on the verge of offering an option which arguably would show very little return for the money. We could delid an i7-7700 for you if you really want it though, best to email [email protected] and ask the sales team directly.

 

Here is one Chinese(?) review.
https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/33496027
As I understand i5 8400 can work at 3.8Ghz for all 6 cores in stress test, but at 98C.
I wish to see 8700 test in more regular apps an scenarios.

 

With the same power limit and HT it may just slow down a bit further.

 

Can anyone provide a BIOS file or SPI dump yet? Cannot find any official BIOS downloads anywhere ...

 

check on our support-site http://www.clevo-systems.com/page/support-drivers

 

@clevo-extreme, thanks for the link. Can you upload the latest correct Meltdown\Spectre BIOS version on your server - 1.05.10?

 

this is latest one from 2018/3/1

 

Hmm... still no normal tests with 8700...
All testers avoiding i7 in this laptop

 

The 8700 limits itself to 65w so should not be too dissimila. Clocks will lower when all cores are in use.

 

Please have a look at my thread maybe some owner could take a dump of sth necessary to reflash? I guess it’s ‘software’ related as my unit works for properly for a moment before crashing

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-orange-blinking-power-shutdown-without-beeping.814753/

And if you help me I can post some bench’s of 8700

 

http://laptopserviz.bg/enview/lapto...n957tp6-6-71-n9500-d01a-ver1-0-schematic.html

 

Hi guys. Got my N957TP6 with i7-8700 (non K).
As thermal paste I use Arctic Cooling Nano. In all cores stresstest, the CPU runs between 3.8 and 4.0 Ghz @ 90° (-/+ 1°) (but most of the time at 3.8 Ghz).
(Hope that is enough info.)

If i will find enough time this weekend, I will delid the cpu and run it with conductonaut.

 

That should bring the heat down a fair notch.

 

Seems like the i7 can not run with max boost, am i right ?

 

Hi guys, I found time to tweak a little bit around.

Preconditions (for the pic below):
1. Delidded i7 8700. Then, I put Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut between DIE and heatspreader and also between heatspreader and copper heatsink of the N950TP6.
2. The N950TP6 I placed on Zalman ZM-NC3000U notebook cooler, which I use for my Clevo p651-RG anyway. BUT: The fan of the Zalman is not working.
3. My room temperature is 25°.

Results:
The tweaked i7-8700 runs the AIDA 64 system stability test at max boost -which is 4.3 Ghz- for all cores at 82 C° (-/+ 1 C°, notebook fan = auto). (Yesterday, without tweaking, it was 3.8 Ghz at 90° (-/+1°, notebook fan = auto). The additional results of Single / Multicore in Cinebench R15 and PCMark 10 (all of them run at 4.3 Ghz easily) you can see in the picture below.

Then, the mother of all CPU Tests: Prime 95!
In the XTU Window you can take look at settings I used to test Prime95 for the best clocks possible. I set the CPU Vcore offset to -160mV and was able to raise the Package TDP to 75 Watts.Then, in the Clevo Control Centre, I set the FAN Speed of the N950TP6 to MAX. After all I ran Prime95! for 30 minutes. Due the power limit throttling, the i7 8700 slows down its all core speed to 4.2 Ghz @ 80° (-/+ 1°, notebook fan = max).

So overall cooling/performance value of the N950TP6 is very good and I can fully recommend you this barebone with an i7 8700 in it.

Compared to the Gigabyte Aero 15X v8 (here its prime results at stock settings / here the full review), which I wanted to buy first, my new N950TP6 has a lot better value for money now.




-------- Update-----
I tested prime95 for 30 minutes under same preconditions as above again, but now the fan speed=auto. Means less noise, more heat. Please see detailed results below.

 

Detailed review from noteboockcheck in German
https://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Schenker-XMG-Apex-15-Clevo-N950TP6-Laptop.296458.0.html

ds4444
Thank you for such a useful information!
Everyone who considering to buy this laptop with 8700 need to be ready to use liquid metal.
Results with regular thermal solutions is not so good.

 

It seems their 8700 was working just fine under combined stress. 83C is well below thermal throttle.

 

I see what this laptop have 3 video ports:
DP 1.4
DP 1.2
HDMI 2.0

Can one of them work with 4K@60Hz external display and keep Nvidia Optimus on?
Or any of them will switch to dGPU and turn the Optimus off?

 

Hi guys!

I have a question. Does it support 2.5" hard disks with 15 mm Installation height?

I want to upgrade hard disk but larger hard disk have 15 mm Installation height. I don't know if they will fit it.

To be honest, it's so big, I will be very disappointed if it doesn't allow slightly larger disks.

 

Hi NMS and Varun

a. Yes, HDMI and DP 1.4 supports 4K@60Hz. DP 1.4 even supports 4K@120Hz, up to 8K@60Hz.
b. Yes, DP 1.4 is directly wired to GTX 1060. That means, as soon you plug in your external screen to the DP 1.4, the GTX is always on (Optimus=OFF).

No, N950TP6 supports HDD/SDD from 7 to 9,5 mm.

 

Thanks. I guess I am stuck to 2 TB then :/

I know there are SSD but I don't have money for 4 TB SSD

 

Got my XMG Apex 15 with delidded 8700. Had little troubles running linux. Latest Debian comes with too old kernel (4.9) for wifi module (Intel 9260), so no wifi connection until you patch the kernel to at least 4.14 and install Intel's proprietary microcode. During kernel compilation max CPU temp was as high as 93 degrees Celsius, I expected it to be little cooler for delidded chip.

 

Hi Sergey,
thank you fou your input. I think you just confirm my findings, don't you?

Do you know:
i.) your clock speed while your compilation @93C°?
ii.) what the XMG guys using between the intel heat spreader and the clevo heat sink in your Apex 15?

 

Well this is an interesting design. Socket type CPU and BGA graphics card.

Don't you think it should be the other way around?

the 1060 will be outclassed very soon, while the 8700(nonK) will remain relevant for some time. This seems to be a confusing machine. What was its purpose? who is designed for, target audience and such. I think users would much rather have a MXM slot as opposed to a removable CPU.

 

Looking at your last screenshot I see you hit 91 degrees on delidded chip. That's really close to my observations. Compilation was ran for about 30 minutes. My previous experience was mainly with desktop rigs and laptops with mobile chips, so the temperature level surprised me a bit.

Both negative, sorry. For the first - I bought it to perform cpu intensive tasks, so it entire life going to be complete stress test, I will install sensor software and check voltage and speed under high loads. For the second - I hope XMG guys will answer themselves.

 

it's a compact laptop. multimedia creations like videoediting or also for professional works like cfd/cad/fea. if you need a mxm gpu go with a p750

 

It completely suits my requirements as a software developer - containers, VMs, compilation, resource-hungry IDEs. I'm actually not interested in discrete graphics at all, but 1060 is a nice bonus, so I can watch streams directly from DOTA 2 client rather than using twitch.

 

When shined in this light i guess it makes sense. Put a higher degree of focus on the CPU and less on the GPU. A 1060 is more then enough for programmers, engineers or non-content created loads. It just seems a bit odd.

A mobile 8th gen 6 core CPU would have sufficed and adding removal graphics to the mix would have really created modular wolverine. I do like the mesh between fixed components and adaptive but I still fail to see the advantage to moving with a socketable CPU in this case.

What consumers really need is upgrade ability. They want to spend 3k on a machine and in 1.5 to 2 years be able to stick in modern components to keep her relevant. This ******** now is just a massive money grab. They create EOL machines before they even ship. Need proof?

Just look at intels kaby lake-x platform..... DUMB AS NAILS engineers and sales teams created that abysmal abortion. That should have never left the drawing board, and the marketeer or engineer that dreamed it up should have been fired and branded "World most idiotic idiot^2!"

 

Might have made sense on the newer chips if they had ported them over but 4 cores was never that interesting for the platform.

 

For the non-gaming side of high performance. There's still a lot of things that require high CPU power and ail to utilize any acceleration from the GPU.

 

I'm just noted new display option from XMG
15.6" Full HD IPS | 144Hz | non-glare
LG LP156WFG-SPF2
It will available from 19. May.

 

That purchase was somewhat impulse. I realized that I need more RAM for my old Asus n550 but looking at ddr3 prices I came with idea to buy new laptop with the super fast CPU and 32 Gbs of RAM. I was going to travel to Germany and opportunity to save a bit Euros on VAT refund seemed cool. Mobile 8th gen I7s just began to appear on the market and I wasn't enthusiastic about becoming an MSI owner. So the choice was between Key 15 and Apex 15 and Apex had option of 2666Mhz DDR4 and dellided desktop CPU.

 

Impulse buys, in my frank opinion, are the best. They are even better if you can upgrade for the future. Calculated purchases are less fun, but have the advantage of time and research.

But when you pull out the proverbial six shooter and just fire away, the feeling is far more satisfying. Don't regret. Just spend the money.