*** Official Clevo P150EM / Sager NP9150 Owner's Lounge ***

Nigh on 150 pages is a tad too much to read, so pardon me if I ask any redundant questions.

Written a l ng time ago, but you sparked a glimmer of hope in me. Will a Clevo P150EM with an Ivy Bridge processor and a 7970M not annoy me noise-wise?

How long can I expect the battery to last if I play a game with the 7970M? And where might I perhaps purchase a copy in case I'm on a terribly long and boring trip?

Lastly, should I settle for a 7970M or should I wait until Computex to see what Nvidia might have in store? (Yes, I'm never satisfied...)

And that's my little quiz. A satisfactory reply will win its weight in +rep.

 

No.

More than one hour. In a coppeeshop lol

Settle.

+rep

 

Gaming on the card won't last more than an hour maybe 1.5. But with the Intel 4000 from ivy bridge you could last 2 or 3 hours in my opinion. With just browsing online with low brightness you could get 4 maybe 5 hours though.

The 680m will probably be dissapointing.

 

Are there tests of the battery life with using Enduro 100% of the time out yet? (Hoping I'd get at least 4 hours with it..)

 

You could give this a go PassMark BatteryMon - UPS & laptop computer battery monitoring software It should allow you to use the 30 day trial for testing.

 

Also a bit worried about lack of bios updates after reading the 150hm eol thread in the main forums. Though holding back and upgrading in the future is a good plan.

 

Yeah if anything I'll sell the 670m in a year for like 150 I hope and buy a 7970m and OC it as there will be better driver support by then too.

 

does anyone have their laptop yet? I have mine and get some crazy ivy bridge temps(3720qm). Running F@H temps rocket up to 90 degrees... I have replaced the TIM that came with it and still get the same temps. My gpu(670) stays in safe temps around 70. really bummed that I cant fold because of heat.

 

Those temps are both normal and fine for folding on a laptop. I let my laptop(inspiron e5520) fold at night and it runs ~90c. The CPU's are 100% safe up to their tjmax, which is usually about 105c. Some of you may not 'agree' with this, but it's simply their specification. I leave my laptop up-side down when it folds though, which helps the temps 5-7c. I wouldn't worry about it at those temps at all.

 

Undervolt and pour LN into the fan vents?
Note: only try the former though feel free to experiment with the latter and report back with results.

 

So the laptop is more of a dark grey than a black right? The XoticPC youtube video made it look black but I think that may have been a custom tweak they did to it. Anyone have some pics of theirs that they want to post? I know that there is other youtubes of it but that's no fun

 

Apologies if this has been asked before, but is it worth $100 to upgrade from the 670m to the 675m for gaming? I dont care much about benchmarks, just practical use of the card while gaming (will my eyes be able to tell the difference?) What percentage faster is the 675m? I dont plan on purchasing another laptop for at least 3years. Thanks!

 

Anyone else have any imput? This is my first laptop, and I would never run my desktop at 90 degrees, it would die. I would love to fold on this thing since it can beast through work units.

my 670 is doing fine in games like sc2, dirt2, d3. if you dont really care about running games at ultra settings, the 670 will be fine. The 675 is faster, its up to you.

 

You'd be better off with the 675M hence not buying another laptop for 3 years as you said. The more power the more futureproof

 

Hi, just noticed on xoticpc you can now get the 9150 with a steel series keyboard. Anybody have this? Is it better than the standard backlit keyboard? Thanks!

 

90C is quite normal. My Asus N55SF goes up to 98C CPU (and 87C on GPU) while gaming, still it's rock stable.
You shouldn't worry about that.

 

Does anyone here have or will have a msata disk? Is it worth buying to put the operating system and some applications?

 

It's worth buying yes; it's like an SSD but doesn't take over a hard drive slot or your optical bay. They are slower than a normal SATA 3 SSD as they are Sata 2 but they are still leaps and bounds faster than a normal hard disk.

Most people use the Msata as a Cache drive for there larger 500-1000GB hard disk drive. If you get a 32 or 64GB Msata you can use it as a cache and it will speed up your OS and games etc. very much.

 

How much are we talking about?

The msata disk is only for using as cache drive or it can be used as an normal HDD or SSD in a clevo laptop? What is the best option?

A good SSD is very expensive so i'm buying my clevo with one normal 7200RPM hard disk and i'm thinking in buying one msata drive to make it faster..

Sorry for my bad english

 

It can be used as a normal SSD or a Cache drive.

Either way works.

Also for $200 you can get a 256GB SSD, not exactly cheap but it's not as bad as it was a few months ago when they were $300.

You can get a 750GB hard disk and a 32GB mSata as a cache and that solution works quite well.

 

Here is a bench from my 80gig msata that I got with my sager. Its much faster than a normal HD, but its nothing special ssd wise.

 

MSata can be used as both normal ssd and cache. However, mostly people seldom use it as a boot drive as msatas tend to be more expensive per gb and slower as they are limited to sata 2. if you want to have a flash based boot drive, the better route would be a conventional ssd because of the faster speeds and the lower cost. for example, a standard sized ssd 256 gb ssd can be priced as low as ~$200 while a msata might run you around ~400.

correction: there are sata3 msata's but they are still more expensive at $2 per GB compared to regular SSD's at around $8-$1.2 per GB

 

Thanks... I will probably buy a ssd but i don't like the idea of losing the dvd bay.

In case i have an problem with the os and i have to format my hard drive i can boot my windows 7 dvd with one external dvd bay?

 

Yes you can boot/install windows or any OS with an external DVD/CD Drive.

Also remember that the P150EM only supports mSata at Sata II speeds not Sata III. So don't waste money on a Sata III if you do end up going that route.

I plan on putting a Sata II mSata in my rig later on when the prices drop and I run out of room on my 256GB SSD.

Waiting for a mSata at Sata II to be 256GB and cost $250 or so. Then I'll buy.

 

ffff my xoticpc order is enroute and I just saw this. this wasn't an option before... Does xoticpc do upgrades?

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Yeah they do upgrades .

 

Nice! But how is the steel series different from the standard clevo keyboard? Is it mechanical?

 

No, its not mechanical, its very similar to the one the 9150 ships with (if I recall correctly.) I think the real reason one would want to choose the steel series keyboard is because it doesn't have the W+E+Space problem that the standard keyboard does, it is also a "chicklet" style keyboard, which some people prefer.

 

There's currently some doubt as to whether the P150EM will be able to support those cards in the likely event that clevo refuses to issue a bios update to support them...

See a certain "no more clevo for me" thread.

7970m will almost definitely be better than the 680m. Gaming on battery could be about 1.5hours, but it's not that good for your battery. with the iGPU you could get about 4-5 hours.

I thought the danger zone on these (for the CPU) was 80-85c...

If you want to hang on to this for 3 years you might want to get the 7970m... Definitely don't go 670m.

It has exactly the same ghosting problems.

 

It does? Pardon me if I'm missing that info somewhere, but where did you see this? I would think a completely different keyboard would not have exactly the same issue.

 

Now i'm very disappointed with clevo and afraid for the future of P150EM... :S

 

yeah...where did you see this? as far as I noticed this keyboard was just added as an option. Do you have it? Has a reseller done a review with it?

 

Mythlogic did a test with it about 8 pages back I think.

 

tbh i dont actually care about ghosting that much but I am interested in the SS keyboard...wtb pictures

 

If i were to order lets say, may 27. How long would laptop assembly take, and does anyone know when it would appear at my doorstep? Michael from Xotic said 6-12 business days for assembly, but i feel that it will take much longer and I also live in Canada as well.

 

I went back and looked, and yes, (sadly) you are correct. Mythlogic said that the problem appears on the steel series keyboards as well.
(Just wanted to put this info here so others don't have to go back 12 pages like I did. )

 

if you buy teh 7970m assembly will be on hold until around the second week of june. unless you go with the gtx 675m

 

If you order right now? I wouldn't expect anything with a 7970 in if before late June..........Nobody has any atm, hell Myth/Malibal haven't even got their 1st shipment yet.

There are like 5 ppl on this forum atm with Clevo 7970's, though if you decide to go the dreaded Failienware route then it should be at your doorstep by June 10th?

 

The keyboard wouldn't work at all if it didn't have the exact same layout and circuitry, so all key combos and ghosting will be exactly the same. If you look at pics of them side by side, you can see that they both have the same double \ key and windows key on the right. The only two differences are that the ss keyboard has lighting on the spacebar and is chiclet.

 

If you look more closely you will see the Fn+ key mapping is quite different between the two keyboards.

 

I think I'll be canceling my P150EM order. The ghosting issue is a real problem. You don't realize how often it happens until you own a keyboard that doesn't have it. I was surprised how often ghosting is the cause of many of my regular typing mistakes. It's not just about keys not showing up, some combinations actually cancel the keys you held down first. Alt-Ctrl-Delete has nothing to do with this, please read that Microsoft link mentioned before.
I bought this laptop to play GuildWars2. GW2 allows you to move and fight at the same time, something not common in other games. I'm afraid this is going to effect my game.

 

just get an external keyboard.

 

We confirm that the Steelseries keyboard has the same ghosting issue.

 

Yes, but the Fn keys are software-based. The physical layout of the keyboard is what actually matters in this case.

Just use an external keyboard like the sidewinder x4 when you're not traveling. I still don't think this should be a deal breaker, even though it's not cool.


Regarding this keyboard "issue", do AW computers suffer from ghosting too?

 

So, you don't care that your Fn+ keys won't work correctly?

No, the Alienware computers do not suffer from this ghosting issue.

 

Is W+E+Space the only combination with ghosting issues (or the only major one?)

 

Having bogus Fn keys would be less annoying than missing a helicopter in BF3 (which I don't play), but I still don't like it. Also, I was talking about how I knew that the SS keyboard had the same ghosting as the clevo one, and different Fn keys shouldn't affect that.

No, there are a lot of 3-key combos that have problems. WE is probably the biggest, though, and I don't know of any other game-breaking ones. When I get my P150EM I'll test some important combos.

 

This keyboard stuff is starting to scare me a bit. Seems to be a big issue, and I really would not want to switch to an alienware just because of a crap keyboard

 

Yes it is the only major one. There are others, but it is unlikely that anyone would want to use them.

 

I'm gonna be playing GW2 as well and it's unfortunate that the ghosting issue affects W+E+Space (lol), but personally I'll be keeping my order. I'd prefer going with Clevo instead of AW .. and I'll just have to rebind some keys just like I did in WoW a lot. Here's hoping that I won't run into any other combinations that don't work lol.

Funny thing is I've never noticed any ghosting issues on my desktop keyboard, but after using that Microsoft ghosting demo I realized it's some random combinations like G+B+Space or M+N+Space... if only all keyboards are like that!